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sdon
= Cult of Ray =

France
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Posted - 12/16/2013 :  09:06:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with your analysis IBreed

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Classic Masher
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Posted - 12/16/2013 :  17:55:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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i will vigorously defend indie cindy and what goes boom. even andro queen to a degree. but another toe isn't an evolution, it's a tangent.



I agree. It just feels out of place. Like it wandered in from another songwriter and the Pixies just decided to take a whack at it. The other three are excellent PIXIES songs- even Andro Queen, which, in my opinion, suffers from sounding over-produced.

"Mixed messages from Sir Naff, please authenticate..."
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Stevio10
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
909 Posts

Posted - 12/16/2013 :  21:33:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by IBreed

quote:
Originally posted by eroticvultcha

I love everybody's enthusiasm, but I think you're reading way too much into Another Toe. It's a pretty mediocre attempt at another Pixies 'radio song'. I doubt the lyrics are meant to convey anything as profound as you guys are interpreting (although each to their own).



plus, of course it's fine to like or dislike this song. it's objectively not without merit.

i do dislike the defensive hypotheticals as to why people don't like it though.

someone else commented on the nickelback comparison. harmonically, i don't think that's baseless. to my ears, the chorus shares more in common with kroeger's radio style of writing than the pixies of yore. it's very "modern rock" at its core and in presentation, in a way other pixies songs aren't (even the 90's oasis-esque chorus of indie cindy is offset with a decidedly frank black chord change to even it out). the bridge is the only specifically pixies thing about another toe and it sounds tacked on, less integrated than the other song's pixies' moments.

people will of course interpret the above as my being resistant to change. i'm not. i will vigorously defend indie cindy and what goes boom. even andro queen to a degree. but another toe isn't an evolution, it's a tangent.




When people talk about the Nickelback comparison I assume they are talking about the way it 'chugs' along, being the reason why it doesn't get much love.

This may only be me, but this is not something new for the Pixies. The so called 'chug' factor exists in Pixies classics of yore, "Head On" although a cover certainly has aspects of the chug. "Stormy Weather" does as well. To me it is a bi-product of 80's (alternative) music which has been regurgitated by other acts in present times.

That Nickelback are so vile it is unfortunate that they are mentioned in the same breath, but by no means are they the inventors of 'the chug'. Because Joey's guitar isn't spiking off the chart like a Richard Nixon polygraph in Another Toe, it makes the chug more noticeable.
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1791 Posts

Posted - 12/16/2013 :  22:58:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That's it. Another Toe is in my head since this weekend. Never heard about "Nickelback" so to me there's no comparison. The chorus ("I'll be there for the ret of my life", etc...) sounds like something I already heard elsewhere, but I can't put my finger on it.

It sound as radio friendly as any Doolittle track to me.

Fun to play along, too !

To me all songs on EP-1 are future classics. Too bad the audiences does not seem to enjoy them (on the videos I saw at least) and only wants greatest hits to be played...
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Stevio10
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
909 Posts

Posted - 12/20/2013 :  04:29:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Talking of being radio friendly it has been played on BBC 6 music atleast once a day for the past week. Cant say about other radio stations but 6 music has always been happy to play Pixies and FB
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ChienAndalou22
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Posted - 12/20/2013 :  04:38:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not really keen on this song myself. I like the other 3 but this one just sounds so different to anything else they've done in terms of the production and general sound, and I think the lyrics are different to what I'd expect from the Pixies too.
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frankblackphx
= Cult of Ray =

USA
287 Posts

Posted - 12/20/2013 :  07:00:21  Show Profile  Visit frankblackphx's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Frank has always had poppy songs in his career and I don't feel that Another Toe is that far of a stretch. Listen to the chorus of "All My Ghosts" it is one of the most poppy things I have ever heard but it is recorded live so it isn't as produced but the songwriting is pop oriented. Here Comes Your Man is another one that has pop song written all over it. There are plenty of examples of Frank and the Pixies going down this path and I am not sure of the backlash on this one. Clearly my second favorite song off of the EP behind Indie Cindy. Not every song has to be esoteric and unique. Sometimes he wants to be Dylan and sometimes he wants to be Springsteen.

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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1791 Posts

Posted - 12/21/2013 :  03:53:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's a good song because you can hum it under your shower !
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
469 Posts

Posted - 12/21/2013 :  06:05:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by picpic

That's it. Another Toe is in my head since this weekend. Never heard about "Nickelback" so to me there's no comparison.


To me it's just 'I have a drink/I start to sink' that strongly reminds me of Nickelback and their ilk. That dreaded 5 seconds that starts the song does sully an otherwise decent track. Unfortunately, being part of the chorus, it's repeated another 4 times.

Edited by - OLDMANOTY on 12/21/2013 06:11:31
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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1791 Posts

Posted - 12/21/2013 :  07:38:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is "Nickelback" famous outside the US ? Never heard of that band here. That's probably why I don't share your disappointment.

I can't even tell what the lyrics are about, so it's not a big deal for me. Maybe that's one of the benefits of not being fluent in english :-D

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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =

United Kingdom
469 Posts

Posted - 12/21/2013 :  12:58:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

Is "Nickelback" famous outside the US ? Never heard of that band here.


I envy you not knowing who they are. Thought they were famous everywhere tbh.
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1791 Posts

Posted - 12/21/2013 :  15:14:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by OLDMANOTY

quote:
Originally posted by picpic

Is "Nickelback" famous outside the US ? Never heard of that band here.


I envy you not knowing who they are. Thought they were famous everywhere tbh.


Sorry. I'm from Belgium. Pixies made it over there at the time (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHeRryUsTv8), but never heard about that nickelback thing !

I listened Nickelback on Spotify out of sheer curiosity... very polished / radio friendly sounding band. But they probably lack the sens of humour that caracterize the Pixies.

Pixies are a fun band. In fact, that's the only band that makes me laugh. Take all the band contemporary to the Pixies... all of them are dead serious... Pixies were fun, totally "Deuxième degré" (second degree sense of humour...? don't know if that expression exists in english), that's probably why we loved them so much in Europe. And still.
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ruzom
= Cult of Ray =

France
267 Posts

Posted - 12/22/2013 :  00:15:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't know, maybe it's because I was young when I discovered them a couple of years after the end of their first run, but to me it always felt like their music regularly had a sense of horror and partly shock. And a bunch of romantic or sad parts too. I can still see - more or less - why one could find songs like Tame or The Sad Punk funny while I don't, but what about The Happening? Or Where is my Mind?

Funny doesn't stick too well with the band in general, in my opinion. It's a part of its alchemy, that's always been there(especially during the Surfer Rosa era) but not necessarily the main core.
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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1791 Posts

Posted - 12/22/2013 :  04:38:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ruzom

I don't know, maybe it's because I was young when I discovered them a couple of years after the end of their first run, but to me it always felt like their music regularly had a sense of horror and partly shock. And a bunch of romantic or sad parts too. I can still see - more or less - why one could find songs like Tame or The Sad Punk funny while I don't, but what about The Happening? Or Where is my Mind?

Funny doesn't stick too well with the band in general, in my opinion. It's a part of its alchemy, that's always been there(especially during the Surfer Rosa era) but not necessarily the main core.


I guess everyone finds what he wants in music - or art in general. Show a painting to 10 different people, each will find something different in it. I like Charles material because there's always a great sense of humour involved - to me.
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *

Canada
1577 Posts

Posted - 12/22/2013 :  08:14:09  Show Profile  Visit hammerhands's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think lines like, You buy me a soda, are meant to be humorous. I think there is lots of humour.

Kinks, B-52s, Talking Heads. If you can't have fun, don't gloom up my day.
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ruzom
= Cult of Ray =

France
267 Posts

Posted - 12/22/2013 :  08:18:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
O-kay. I think you both misunderstood what I was saying, but nevermind.
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sdon
= Cult of Ray =

France
764 Posts

Posted - 12/23/2013 :  00:47:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I find them fun but not funny
Fun, because they're unconventional, free of musical constraints (or they established some).
But above all, they're weird, scratchy.... extra-terrestrial may also qualify their music, or Lynchian sometimes (FB & C did#324;t have that side)
A grain of humour sure is part of the alchemy as you say ruzom, but to me it's not their primary asset.


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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
1791 Posts

Posted - 12/23/2013 :  03:42:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ruzom

O-kay. I think you both misunderstood what I was saying, but nevermind.


Sorry - language barrier for me.

I did'nt mean they're clowns or idiots. They just make me laugh. (which doesn't mean they're not epic, btw)

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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <

Canada
4307 Posts

Posted - 12/28/2013 :  05:46:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
portugal doesn't like nickelback

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7W-2BJUveE

"Do Re Me So Far So Good"

Edited by - shineoftheever on 12/28/2013 05:46:42
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trobrianders
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Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts

Posted - 12/28/2013 :  09:11:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shineoftheever

portugal doesn't like nickelback

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7W-2BJUveE

"Do Re Me So Far So Good"

That's hilarious. That Nickelback guy has no class. Reminds me of that Milan Kundera quote, call a man an idiot and invariably he starts acting like one.

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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
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Posted - 12/29/2013 :  06:37:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shineoftheever
portugal doesn't like nickelback


They're not the only ones!

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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 12/31/2013 :  05:14:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hilarious ? I don't know this band nor their music, and I can understand some people hate them... but come on... throwing STONES at an someone onstage ??? That's criminal ! I can't believe something like that can EVER happen. Shit organization !!

And after that people will cry because strict security measures are now becoming standard at rock shows (no bottles, etc...).


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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =

Canada
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Posted - 12/31/2013 :  10:32:52  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Agreed Picpic. I do know this band and their music (which I don't care for at all) but there is absolutely no call for that. They're entertainers and if they don't entertain you, why the %@^@^! are you at their concert? It'd be different if they insisted in playing on your lawn every morning at 5 AM.


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trobrianders
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Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts

Posted - 12/31/2013 :  10:55:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Read my post again, it's crystal clear. I found his reaction hilarious/pitiful, not the throwing.

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picpic
* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 12/31/2013 :  11:40:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You would probably have the same reaction if some jerkoffs were trying to kill you by throwing stones at your head. In this context, it's probably difficult to think about a nice way to walk offstage.

If I understand correctly this is some Metal festival, and spectators were angry to see a mainstream band. Wow ! Well, that's a pretty good reason to kill the entertainers !


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trobrianders
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Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 12/31/2013 :  12:26:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are always jerkoffs in the world, what matters is how you carry yourself in the face of them. Truth is his reaction wasn't so bad. You're right there. It was only mildly idiotic.

By the way I notice how you were quite happy to accept they were rocks that were being thrown. Believe everything you read do you? Or only when it suits your purpose?

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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 12/31/2013 :  12:37:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't believe eveything I read. But what they were throwing is probably not the issue here. Stones, bottles, shoes,... who cares ? Throwing anything at someone on stage is just plain stupid. Just walk off if you disagree with the guy onstage...

Well, this is a metal show, probably populated by alcoholized hooligans. So programming some mainstram american band is basically a BAD DECISION. But that does not excuse the audience reaction and the fact that throwing anything at some guy with the intention to injure is just fucking stupid.




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shineoftheever
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Canada
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Posted - 12/31/2013 :  15:40:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i guess everybody just hates Canadians

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e50vqY7Szo

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Edited by - shineoftheever on 12/31/2013 15:41:39
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trobrianders
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Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 01/01/2014 :  00:25:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

I don't believe eveything I read. But what they were throwing is probably not the issue here. Stones, bottles, shoes,... who cares ? Throwing anything at someone on stage is just plain stupid. Just walk off if you disagree with the guy onstage...

Well, this is a metal show, probably populated by alcoholized hooligans. So programming some mainstram american band is basically a BAD DECISION. But that does not excuse the audience reaction and the fact that throwing anything at some guy with the intention to injure is just fucking stupid.




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There's something honest about throwing stuff. There's nothing honest about waxing indignant at the first opportunity.

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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 01/01/2014 :  06:37:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders
There's something honest about throwing stuff. There's nothing honest about waxing indignant at the first opportunity.


Then stop doing it.


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trobrianders
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Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 01/01/2014 :  08:08:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You're no fun

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trobrianders
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Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 01/01/2014 :  10:16:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank

It'd be different if they insisted in playing on your lawn every morning at 5 AM.


"If we hit this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."

OMG , you do have a breaking point.

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* Dog in the Sand *

Belgium
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Posted - 01/01/2014 :  10:23:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
(I secretely hope for a Nickelback cover on EP-2. It would make my day)


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shineoftheever
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Canada
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Posted - 01/01/2014 :  14:03:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by picpic

(I secretely hope for a Nickelback cover on EP-2. It would make my day)


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2xPid2uRk8
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Bedbug
* Dog in the Sand *

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Posted - 08/05/2019 :  04:34:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am officially a fan of Another Toe in the Ocean.

It totally has grown on me. Was dancing to it this morning.

Great song.
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