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lucmove
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 Posted - 09/06/2013 : 10:39:31
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Originally posted by vilainde
361 not counting the unreleased Pixies tracks.
But I could be wrong.
If we count the new ones and the ones with Pailey, it must be past 400 now.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Posted - 09/06/2013 : 13:48:10
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When I saw that post mentioning 'Nickleback' I thought Armageddon was finally upon us... thankfully, having listened to the songs I have to say the comparison is waaaaaaaay off (phew!). However, I just can't help feeling somewhat disappointed. The new songs are good -even very good (although Another Toe In The Ocean maybe needs a couple of more listens), they just don't sound as surprising and strange as the original Pixies. But then it's a lot to ask to repeat classic stuff of that quality.
As has been suggested, some of the new music wouldn't sound out of place on a solo Frank record. But then, it's all Frank! I do miss the sparse-sounding bass and odd drum fills of early Pixies, but I'm glad those kinds of things are being thrown in like gimmicky call-backs.
Maybe the songs would sound a bit different had Kim stuck around, but they'd still be basically the same songs. I think Frank set the bar so high with the original albums that you couldn't help but be disappointed whatever they did. If these weren't released under the Pixies moniker, there wouldn't be as much griping, they actually are pretty good songs.
'Indie Cindy' has a similarly melodramatic sound to 'Bagboy', I could see them complementing each other nicely on an album release! |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
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1758 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2013 : 14:49:44
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at the end of the day, i prefer a recording to convey the realities of the band, ie not having 4 guitar parts at once if there's only two guitarists in the band.
that being said, i'm enjoying picking out all the layers of music on this EP. i've listened to it probably 20 times and still discover new bits. it's not the worst thing in the world to have 4 joey parts to pay attention to in a single song.
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 09/06/2013 : 15:12:17
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yo yo! here's my initial thoughts:
-$4 for 4 new pixies songs! yeah baby!
-android queen! 10/10! yeah baby! love the drumming
-another toe in the ocean. i wish i hadn't read the inital forum comments before i listened to the new tracks. now i keep thinking about the pixies being nickelback!
indie cindy. song - 8/10, video - 5/10.
-what goes boom. 9/10! love the metal riffs! my initial thoughts were rammstein after the first part of the song. and the lyrics are fantastic!
I like that slinky little punky little bit funky
itty bitty chunky right there
little bit lippy a whipped cream hippie
zip and unzippy and I want her
make some room
what goes boom?
have a great weekend!
 "I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!"...long live snitz!! |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2013 : 15:54:06
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yeah, gotta say i love What Goes Boom. the "singing" part is such a fantastic mix of melody and word choice ("Bass" being so nice to hear/sing).
i hope these fellas keep bringing frank's songs to life. who knows what twists and turns they'll take!
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pixie punk
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Posted - 09/06/2013 : 16:03:02
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What Goes BOOM is going to sound MASSIVE live :-D So happy to see so many sold out dates early on.Nothing more for them to prove.Once a PIXIE always a PIXIE!!!:-)
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moonruler
- FB Fan -
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217 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2013 : 17:31:34
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I love the metal "scream" at the beginning of What Goes Boom and how it fades in from and then back into the guitar intro. Very Rob Halford sounding. That's right, I said it.
This is classic get's better the more I listen to it music.
One thing I will say is, it would have been interesting to hear Kim on this. I can understand her being too scared to deal, though; no pun intended. Putting out new Pixies music without her is ballsy as far as I am concerned, and only indicates Frank wanted his band back. And he was willing to include everyone, too bad it didn't happen, but I am glad this music happened.
There is a lot of solo stuff of Frank's that I like better than Pixies. I am glad he did not just try to throw in Pixie tricks and don't have a problem with this being a Pixies' release at all. It is new Pixies. Not everybody has to like, which is what makes music so fun to talk about. Kind of like religion.
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frankblackphx
= Cult of Ray =
USA
287 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2013 : 19:48:50
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I haven't posted on this board in at least three years but it could be even longer. Even though it seems to have a lot of its detractors, the last classic Frank album for me is Fastman Raiderman, and I am a die hard fan of everything the man did from everything through that record. I like some stuff off of all of the releases since then but as a whole they didn't compare and I am sad to admit I lost my way with Frank for the last few years. I still purchased everything from Golem to Abbbabubba and will always support him.
In regards to the new Pixies songs, Bagboy is probably my least liked even though it has grown on me since its initial release. The new EP I think is very good and I love Frank when he is more produced than underproduced. I think people seem to forget that Bossanova through TOTY has slick production and a ton of pop songs. My least like song right now is What Goes Boom but it is growing on me. I wish the guitars were a little meaner and he sang the song just a touch harsher. The other three are all excellent and all growing on me the more I listen. I don't see the issue with Another Toe as there are plenty of songs in Frank's catalogue that is that poppy.
It dawned on me reading everyone's posts, I am in love with FB's music regardless what name or band he goes under. I don't care if he calls it Pixies, Frank Black, Black Francis or Jimmy's Chicken Shack, it is the songs I care about. I don't hold the Pixies up on a pedestal, I hold Frank up on that pedestal. The name of the Pixies isn't sacred to me at all, my two favorite records of his is his first two solo releases anyway. I am just excited that he is releasing songs that have me interested in him again because it has been way too long.
On the loudness wars, I am hoping the vinyl is mastered differently (they usually are) and it will sound a little crisper with more headroom.
Here I am for your judgement
When the paint grows darker still
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 09/06/2013 : 22:21:03
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Much like Frankblackphx, I too have not shown my face around these parts for ever and a day (nor have I lurked).
Life gets hard and things like one's FBF fixation sometimes have to take a backseat.
I was up extremely late several nights ago and felt compelled to check the official Pixies site for no particular reason. Coincidentally, it was just after they had posted word of the new EP, and several hours before any email bulletins were sent out about it.
I snatched up the vinyl and T-shirt bundle (take that, water bill!), and have been digesting the lossless download version of the record ever since.
After countless full spins in order (and, importantly, on headphones), I am convinced that the totality of this release is completely up to the quality of composition, performance and production value the band needed to hit in order for it to sit proudly and comfortably alongside the rest of their catalog.
This is not the Pixies of 1986 or 1987 or 1988 or 1989 or 1990 or 1991 or 1992.
This is 2013. They are different people, with different lives and different record collections and different approaches to their instruments and their voices and their lyrical conceits.
Gil did a great job of forcing the band into (slightly) different directions, but I am certain the brunt of that was their own doing.
Is it overly compressed (as is most commercial rock music these days)?
Yes.
Does it sound like a cross between earlier Pixies albums and FBF's solo stuff?
Yes, but how could it not? There was no "FBF solo stuff" when the Pixies were first releasing records. He kept on growing, while they (as a collective project) were frozen in amber. If these new sessions somehow sounded as though the last 20 years of his artistic life did not exist (as some on these boards seem to pine for), this EP and whatever comes in its wake would be a sham.
A sham which simply could not (and would not) hold up to repeated listening, or even to the abiding respect of SERIOUS, DEVOTED Pixies aficionados (as opposed to Greatest Hits clutchers and FIGHT CLUB kids ).
The sound of the tracks is a surprisingly logical evolution from BOSSANOVA and TROMPE LE MONDE, which makes perfect sense for any number of reasons.
Just because the gang has been crisscrossing the globe playing DOOLITTLE and earlier tracks for years (somewhat ad nauseam), we should not be lulled into thinking that's where they left off.
They're not a garage band anymore, and haven't been since a year or so after they set foot on a stage.
The Pixies' enduring rep is linked inextricably to the harsh and haunting, densely-layered soundscapes of their later records. It's perhaps what they (and Gil) did best, and now they are finally allowed to update that approach utilizing new technology, while paying tribute to their own past masterworks.
The beauty of all of this is that they now only have self-imposed goalposts to hit, and must only worry (if they so choose) about how their loyal fanbase will receive this risky gift.
And it is a gift, even if we're asked to purchase it.
David Lovering is playing his ass off on these tracks! He should feel proud of his display of rudiment skills and the fact that he's maintained his ability to lock into a click track while still unleashing incredible power and precision in his parts.
For those who criticize the notion of him playing along to drum machine parts that Gil programmed in advance as somehow a cop-out: just how do you think most if not all the tracks on the band's last three albums were recorded?
That meshing of sequenced percussion and overdubbed fills is as much a part of the band's legacy as FBF's screaming.
As for whether or not this is "The Pixies" without Kim on board, the answer is a resounding YES, IT IS.
Now, does that mean that her input was of no worth to the group? Of course not. It was key. And it's a shame she is not present on these songs. Maybe one day she'll return to the fold.
But you know what? Her steadfast obstinance was killing this band, and while we may never know just what it was (if anything) which precipitated her exit, it is clear from what the remaining members are saying (and from what they aren't) that had they not taken this step, the end was not just nigh, but likely upon us.
Ten years back together without throwing their hat into the "real" ring had to hurt, for some members more than others.
Am I glad she's gone (for now)?
No.
Am I glad she's gone, if that means they can stay?
Yes.
I was so tired of one of my favorite musical collectives being essentially held creatively hostage by one of their own ranks, and I cannot help feeling that many people who are so aghast that they decided to try and continue on without her would be much more comfortable with such a lineup change if Kim had either passed away or become somehow incapacitated and could not (as opposed to would not) play .
Well, refusing to bring her creative impulses to the table in this group is --in essence-- the same thing as suffering from a physical malady that prevented her from writing and recording new material. So what's the difference?
If it seemed that she was somehow being mistreated and squeezed out (like Richard Lloyd in Television), that's one thing. But from our limited perspective as listeners and fans, it certainly seems quite the opposite.
Kim Shattuck is an inspired hire as touring sideperson, even if that is the only role she ever plays in the band.
You can tell how jazzed she is about this gig, and how jazzed the rest of the bandmembers are to have someone on board who's mindful of the weight of that position, yet enthusiastic about proving themselves in front of a loyal and probably very judgmental audience.
Sorry for the late night ramble. It's been ages since I put any thoughts about Pixies or FBF stuff down in writing...
In closing, I just wanted to say that while I don't believe "Another Toe" is the best song on the EP, it is without a doubt my FAVORITE.
Catchy? Pop? Hooky? Slickly produced? Radio-friendly?
FUCK YES.
It sounds like the Pixies snuck into Jeff Goldblum's matter-transmitting FLY machine back in 1990 but didn't notice that a time traveling Gnome Invisible had left a stack of CDs from the future in a dark corner of the chamber.
Before they knew it, they'd gone and gotten themselves chromosonally mashed-up with Matthew Sweet's IN REVERSE, the Posies' AMAZING DISGRACE, the Swimming Pool Q's ROYAL ACADEMY OF REALITY and Patti Smith's GUNG HO.
God forbid they should get some airplay on whatever is left of radio these days.
So far, to my ear, the only misstep I've heard in all of the new material we've had a chance to sample is the group background vocals on "Bag Boy." They're awkward, forced, and placed too far forward and "crisp" in the final mix. Had they been pushed back and much wetter, it would have elevated that track oodles and caboodles.
Other than that minor nitpick, this shit is Custom All The Way.
Hope you all have been well.
Happy New Pixies Record!
~ Peter Radiator
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Active Duck
~ Abstract Brain ~
United Kingdom
459 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2013 : 23:31:33
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 00:04:56
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Nice pete rad. Thoughtful as ever.
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ricj
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
107 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2013 : 00:32:12
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Originally posted by frankblackphx
It dawned on me reading everyone's posts, I am in love with FB's music regardless what name or band he goes under. I don't care if he calls it Pixies, Frank Black, Black Francis or Jimmy's Chicken Shack, it is the songs I care about. I don't hold the Pixies up on a pedestal, I hold Frank up on that pedestal. The name of the Pixies isn't sacred to me at all, my two favorite records of his is his first two solo releases anyway. I am just excited that he is releasing songs that have me interested in him again because it has been way too long.
This is EXACTLY how I feel and exactly what I was going to say. I really don't care what name it is released under - I love everything the man does.
I love the new EP more than anything i've heard this year. My only problem is that I am in the process of listening to it to death... |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6288 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2013 : 01:53:49
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Originally posted by kotvana
BAGBOY - was lame, cause it was forced..
These songs are much more complex than Pixies songs
I too thought Bagboy felt a little forced. The dreaded "fakey" effect, in other words. These songs sound far more natural and organic.
As for them being much more complex, I'm not so sure. They are more complex than the early Pixies, but Trompe had some really layered, highly arranged stuff on it. From a musicianship and performance standpoint, Trompe was a huge leap technically from everything before it. I hear a lot of the same experimentation, sonic exploration, and effects usage evident on Trompe on these new songs. Hence why I said it sounds like they picked up where they left off. Not that they actually did or were even trying to, that's just my humble, completely insignificant opinion.
I happen to love Trompe btw and for some reason many detractors (not you, just making a general observation) seem to be comparing this new stuff to Surfer and Doolittle. Which is somewhat akin to comparing Magical Mystery Tour to Please Please Me and With the Beatles. The Pixies, now that they're truely back, can't be expected to keep writing She Loves You well into their 40s.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl!
Yeah, we're on the same page. I didn't really have any love for Bagboy. It's ok, but safe for the last verse (where Frank's lyrics and Dave's beat really click), it doesn't grab me. These 4 songs do in a weird way.
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2013 : 02:45:45
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peter radiator, everybody! let's give him a round of applause.
Another Toe has been stuck in my head for the past 24 hours. i even woke up singing it and listened to it on my shitty laptop speakers just to get a fix. dirty needles. fuck it.
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2013 : 02:53:37
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Great post Peter. I think that definitively sums up my feeling as well.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 03:02:57
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Amen, peter! Good to see you back here, and with such a great post. frankblackphx, good to have you back too.
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Has anyone gotten news of their order yet? I check the mailbox 5 times a day but no news so far. I NEED this 10" now! (especially since my CD player broke down this week)
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 03:08:22
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I can just see see Another Toe as the music for the next Land Of Leather New Year sales advert campaign lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmB96-MXbqA
Now there's a song to get stuck in your head. |
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2013 : 03:12:04
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Originally posted by vilainde
Has anyone gotten news of their order yet? I check the mailbox 5 times a day but no news so far. I NEED this 10" now! (especially since my CD player broke down this week)
Obsidiana Bijoux
Mine was at the processing center in California yesterday, so I expect it by the end on next week. I'm pretty anxions to get it as well - wondering if it was mastered for vinyl or just used the digital master. Hoping they did it right for vinyl. Either way it will be spun numerous times.
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 03:24:32
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Originally posted by vilainde
Has anyone gotten news of their order yet? I check the mailbox 5 times a day but no news so far. I NEED this 10" now! (especially since my CD player broke down this week)
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux
I got an e-mail the next day after the order notifying me that the record was shipped. I ordered within maybe ten minutes of the initial announcement, so I got in pretty early. It'll probably arrive early next week.
In other news, a few days ago pixiesmusic.com listed the 10" as sold out, but now it's for sale again. |
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 03:35:17
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Originally posted by vilainde
Has anyone gotten news of their order yet? I check the mailbox 5 times a day but no news so far. I NEED this 10" now! (especially since my CD player broke down this week)
Denis
Obsidiana Bijoux
Received mine on Thursday (I'm in the UK). Was surprised at how quick it came.
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 04:47:04
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this war between positivity and negativity is kind of tiring. extremism is usually never the answer. it's ok to think the EP is good and bad. another toe is WAY too broad. the green album/weezer comparison in the pitchfork review is spot on. outside of the bridge, it could be anybody. there's nothing distinctly pixie about it (where the hell is joey? where's the dischordance?). the rest FEELS like the pixies, even if it treads new ground. hell, 'ain't that pretty' sounds more like the pixies than another toe. it really is an anomaly. it's more like the boring alt. rock spawned in the pixies wake.
i really, really like indie cindy. it has a super accessible almost oasis-ish chorus with a completely pixies verse. pitchfork also majorly missed the mark on what goes boom. papa roach? have they even heard trompe le monde? the pixies have always dabbled in metal. i maintain andro queen is nice but slight. unfortunately, that's the scrutiny a tune undergoes when it's one of four songs released for the foreseeable future.
the backlash against these songs is extreme. but the answer isn't to accuse naysayers of being nostalgia-holics as another user commented. i'd offer there are legitimate problems alongside legitimately cool songs on the EP. the fact that it opens with the most 'skeletal song' and the broadest song is disconcerting. had it been indie cindy, what goes boom + say, blue eyed hexe and silver snail, i think more people would have been amenable. just a guess though.
if you'll remember, Frank's recent solo albums tend to do well at Pitchfork. 7s and the like. |
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peter radiator
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 05:56:38
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Thanks for the kind words, folks.
Nice to "see" some of you again!
BTW, for whatever my opinion may be worth, everyone who says things like "(this song or that song) doesn't sound (or feel) like the Pixies," have wound up buying into way of looking at collaborative, evolving art that I just can't get behind.
The Pixies sound like whatever the Pixies sound like whenever they're doing whatever they're doing together.
If they made a polka record with their buddy Weird Al, it would still sound like the Pixies. It just might not sound like earlier records they made.
I'd be curious to see what the reaction would be to these exact same songs if they sounded virtually identical in arrangement and production, but if we all new that Kim Deal was playing and singing (in some capacity) on every track, and she was still in the band.
A big part of the judgements being made cannot help but be affected by the news of her departure, even if folks don't have that in the forefront of their minds.
I don't know how old most of the folks on these boards are, but I have a sneaking suspicion that many of them were too young to have anxiously awaited the "new Pixies album" back when the group was together the first time around. They came to the band somewhat posthumously, when the legend had started to build, as opposed to following their exploits and growth in real time, as I did (I was handed their debut vinyl record about 2 weeks after it was released, by a friend from Boston).
Even for those who have been with the band since the mid-'80s, try to wipe away the misleading and compressing dynamism of passing time which colors memories, and seriously think about the difference in mood, tone, slickness and songwriting styles between BOSSANOVA and SURFER ROSA.
Hell, just think about the vast difference in those attributes between SURFER ROSA and DOOLITTLE.
Save for the recognizable voices, those records don't sound like they come from the same band by almost any stretch of the imagination. It is only because they have been codified as a cohesive back catalog over time that their extreme differences and compositional shifts have been muted.
I believe strongly when viewed from that perspective, it would be reasonable to assume that EP1 would sound virtually NOTHING like any earlier record by the band. And yet in many respects, it sounds exactly like certain aspects and periods of their earlier work.
Truth is, this EP sounds infinitely more "like the Pixies," than any of us had any right to expect it to.
Like I said, the group is incredibly mindful of their legacy and have worked within a set of boundaries they were never under any artistic obligation to. That's a big part of what took them so long to dip their toes in this particular ocean.
It's a gift.
~ Peter Radiator
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 06:16:13
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Originally posted by peter radiator
BTW, for whatever my opinion may be worth, everyone who says things like "(this song or that song) doesn't sound (or feel) like the Pixies," have wound up buying into way of looking at collaborative, evolving art that I just can't get behind.
The Pixies sound like whatever the Pixies sound like whenever they're doing whatever they're doing together.
No word of a lie that. But if they started playing song with Katy Perry or Beyonce or Michael Buble would it be 'Pixies' then?
It's not so much that they don't resonate much with the earlier Pixies vibe, more that they just aren't very interesting, or catchy tunes.
I detect there might be an element of 'forced liking' involved in some of the bewindering appraisals of these tracks I've heard, some even favouriting Another Toe.
Forced writing and forced liking.
Don't panic though, put your handbags away. I can see me liking the studio of version of Blue Eyed Hexx though even though it sounds like AC/DC at the start. Maybe even Green And Blues.
I constantly find it amazing how upset folk can get when you negatively criticise music they like, like slagging off someone's football team or something.
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thierry512
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 07:45:26
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A great EP, really, i love these 4 songs, "another toe" is for me the weakest song but i like it. I could't imagine their new material would be so great.
I don't care if it sounds or not like the old pixies, but doesn't "what goes boom" sound like TLM ?
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Truth is, this EP sounds infinitely more "like the Pixies," than any of us had any right to expect it to.
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 09:30:11
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Originally posted by pot
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Originally posted by peter radiator
BTW, for whatever my opinion may be worth, everyone who says things like "(this song or that song) doesn't sound (or feel) like the Pixies," have wound up buying into way of looking at collaborative, evolving art that I just can't get behind.
The Pixies sound like whatever the Pixies sound like whenever they're doing whatever they're doing together.
But if they started playing song with Katy Perry or Beyonce or Michael Buble would it be 'Pixies' then?
Similar to a slippery slope there. Not exactly but definitely a logical fallacy. The Pixies aren't playing with Katy Perry or Beyonce or Michael Buble.
http://www.google.com/#q=slippery+slope+logical+fallacy
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IBreed
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 10:19:23
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 11:20:16
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"forced liking" or "forced hating"? Pot, you seen oblivious as to how annoying and frustrating your posts are to read. You're bewildered? Join the club.
These songs are seeping into my pores. Enjoying it greatly. Glad the 4 songs are diverse. I'm just concerned that this ep release will mean the songs will be scrutinized on an insane level.
Lotta enlightening comments from veteran posters, thanks for sharing folks. |
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cptnpasty
- FB Fan -
Spain
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 12:29:19
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Pixies a going concern. That's it for me - that's plenty.
On first listen the ep was way more restrained and way cleaner than anything I'd been expecting. Thing is, I haven't been able to listen to anything else for days. I wake up with these songs in my head, especially Cindy. Take the context away and most of the mean-spirited gripes wouldn't even be possible. They aren't about the music.
These are Pixies songs, same as always. They are really beautiful. And what a little gift in my life, to be able to type that in 2013. |
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ricj
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107 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2013 : 12:56:39
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I wake up with these songs in my head, especially Cindy.
Me too - literally every morning since it was released. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 13:07:43
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Originally posted by natenate101
"forced liking" or "forced hating"?
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Classic Masher
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 14:36:18
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Originally posted by cptnpasty
I wake up with these songs in my head, especially Cindy.
Me too - literally every morning since it was released.
Oh my God. Glad it's not just me. I am beginning to think I need a 12 Step Program for the Pixies. :-P
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Sprite
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 14:41:04
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Originally posted by peter radiator
I don't know how old most of the folks on these boards are, but I have a sneaking suspicion that many of them were too young to have anxiously awaited the "new Pixies album" back when the group was together the first time around. They came to the band somewhat posthumously, when the legend had started to build, as opposed to following their exploits and growth in real time, as I did (I was handed their debut vinyl record about 2 weeks after it was released, by a friend from Boston).
This point also occurred to me. I joined the FB bus just as Doolittle came out in '89, got hooked, and immediately got up to speed on Surfer Rosa and Come On Pilgrim. And the anticipation walking home with the Velouria 12" in the summer of 1990 and playing it for the first time, repeating the process with all the subsequent records up to Trompe and each time nervous as hell that it wasn’t going to be good. And those songs off Bossanova and TLM were definitely less immediate than the Doolittle tunes. I remember being distinctly underwhelmed with both Velouria and Planet of Sound initially and thinking Winterlong was a joke!
I think older listeners in that situation probably have a different perspective on listening to EP1. I knew when I downloaded it the music may not sound immense straight away because I’d experience that feeling before (contrast Havalina with Gouge Away). But I also knew, that for me at least,any Pixies with a Bossanova type sheen needs many plays before I can truly make up my mind.
The other thing I remember is I didn’t know anybody else into Pixies for a long time after I discovered them. Listening to new music monitoring a running commentary about it on the web is not the way I digested music 20 years ago (in my bedroom in the dark on constant rotation for 3 weeks...). I think for EP2 I might turn off my broadband for a month.
Very interesting comments Peter Radiator, by the way
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lucmove
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 15:28:13
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Originally posted by frankblackphx
I don't care if he calls it Pixies, Frank Black, Black Francis or Jimmy's Chicken Shack...
Please, don't give him ideas.
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lucmove
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Brazil
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 15:48:47
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Originally posted by peter radiator
The Pixies sound like whatever the Pixies sound like whenever they're doing whatever they're doing together.
If they made a polka record with their buddy Weird Al, it would still sound like the Pixies. It just might not sound like earlier records they made.
Well, sorry if I am rude, but I think this statement of yours disqualifies everything else you said and could ever say. You're expressly stating that you harbor no criteria for anything whatsoever, that anything goes, that whatever, that you don't care, that everything is a big shrug to you.
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Originally posted by peter radiator
A big part of the judgements being made cannot help but be affected by the news of her departure, even if folks don't have that in the forefront of their minds.
Yawn. For the 17th time, I really like Bag Boy. And Kim is not in it. And the soundalike doesn't count on that particular song.
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Originally posted by peter radiator
Even for those who have been with the band since the mid-'80s, try to wipe away the misleading and compressing dynamism of passing time which colors memories, and seriously think about the difference in mood, tone, slickness and songwriting styles between BOSSANOVA and SURFER ROSA.
Hell, just think about the vast difference in those attributes between SURFER ROSA and DOOLITTLE.
Save for the recognizable voices, those records don't sound like they come from the same band by almost any stretch of the imagination. It is only because they have been codified as a cohesive back catalog over time that their extreme differences and compositional shifts have been muted.
I think you're deaf and should see a doctor. I could write a post even longer than these you've been posting just to point out the similarities between Surfer Rosa and Doolittle. If you can't see them, you're no different from the "Fight Club kids."
And by the way, regarding several comments I have seen here, I'll say that "What Goes Boom" really totally sounds a lot like Trompe Le Monde... if "Space (I believe in)" is the only song in Trompe Le Monde that you know. To those, I recommend listening to the rest of the album. You will be surprised.
I am beginning to hate that track. 
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johnnyribcage
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USA
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Posted - 09/07/2013 : 16:30:06
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I think we can all agree on one thing: It's the best set of new tracks the Pixies have recorded since Trompe Le Monde, and there's no denying it.
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"Four New Songs" EP
