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oddball
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 Posted - 02/16/2013 : 13:32:56
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So, it looks like Reid and Charles are in fact putting something together in Nashville. Check out the following pictures:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Francis/152032678636
Interesting to see Ken Coomer (drummer/producer) and Dave Roe (bassist) involved this time around. Hopefully we will hear more about this soon!
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lucmove
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 16:53:35
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Booooring... snooze...
Two guys with shades, raspy voices and in black attire singing the blues, talking 'bout whiskey, black-and-white movie-worthy situations and fucking boring cliché bitter-sweet attitudes towards a relationship, like Yeah babe, life is a bitch, but I am so fucking tough and weathered and skilled at hiding my macho feelings under my ankle-high overcoat that someone as female and naive as you could actually believe I'm a half tough half cool mothafucka.
"I are serious cat... I sings the blues to gullible chicks and they takes my shit seriously..."
Please...
Blues is crappy, such a fucking old tired cliché. Come on, Charles, you can do better than this shit. "I am un chien andalusia" beats the crap out of this travesty any day. Just let it go. Just tell Paley to hit the road and not to come back no more, no more, no more...
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The Maharal
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 17:34:24
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| Dunno what to make of that. Didn't find many of the Paley & Francis songs that bluesy; in fact, I'd call Curse and Crescent Moon almost Pixies-esque. |
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floop
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Posted - 02/16/2013 : 19:10:20
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im not really a fan of Paley's music, or style, so i guess in a way i agree with lucmove. but ill give anyhhing the bendfit if the doubt Frank wise. also, dont want to sound like an asshole. let Frank be Frank. if he wants to drink whiskey and wear black suits there are worse things.
post a picture of how you dress luc
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vilainde
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 00:09:54
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The Maharal is right. The songwriting on P&F is great.
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trobrianders
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 04:47:38
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Originally posted by lucmove
Booooring... snooze...
Two guys with shades, raspy voices and in black attire singing the blues, talking 'bout whiskey, black-and-white movie-worthy situations and fucking boring cliché bitter-sweet attitudes towards a relationship, like Yeah babe, life is a bitch, but I am so fucking tough and weathered and skilled at hiding my macho feelings under my ankle-high overcoat that someone as female and naive as you could actually believe I'm a half tough half cool mothafucka.
"I are serious cat... I sings the blues to gullible chicks and they takes my shit seriously..."
Please...
Blues is crappy, such a fucking old tired cliché. Come on, Charles, you can do better than this shit. "I am un chien andalusia" beats the crap out of this travesty any day. Just let it go. Just tell Paley to hit the road and not to come back no more, no more, no more...
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Haven't heard the album but this cracked me up so you must be right on some level.
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Jose Jones
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 05:07:48
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Originally posted by trobrianders
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Originally posted by lucmove
Booooring... snooze...
Two guys with shades, raspy voices and in black attire singing the blues, talking 'bout whiskey, black-and-white movie-worthy situations and fucking boring cliché bitter-sweet attitudes towards a relationship, like Yeah babe, life is a bitch, but I am so fucking tough and weathered and skilled at hiding my macho feelings under my ankle-high overcoat that someone as female and naive as you could actually believe I'm a half tough half cool mothafucka.
"I are serious cat... I sings the blues to gullible chicks and they takes my shit seriously..."
Please...
Blues is crappy, such a fucking old tired cliché. Come on, Charles, you can do better than this shit. "I am un chien andalusia" beats the crap out of this travesty any day. Just let it go. Just tell Paley to hit the road and not to come back no more, no more, no more...
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Haven't heard the album but this cracked me up so you must be right on some level.
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i can understand this as a knee-jerk reaction to P&F. after listening to the album, though, the analysis is only part accurate. it's never a safe bet to write off FB compositions based on a picture of him wearing a certain outfit.
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trobrianders
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 06:36:21
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lucmove's post wan't funny? I thought it was pretty funny. I log on for these funny/outrageous posts.
I heard the album streamed once last year. Sounded ok, straight. I like the idea fine of Charles going off and doing an album with a buddy. But like a lot of people here I get more worked up when Charles goes off on a real trip.
I'm sure you'd get me if you saw my wardrobe the one time.
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oddball
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 06:52:36
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It really seems like there are multiple works on the horizon:
1. Wales recordings = Pixies?
2. Nashville recordings = w/ Reid Paley
3. Recordings containing tracks such as the new ones he is playing on this tour?
It will be interesting to see how 2013 unfolds...
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The Maharal
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 07:02:00
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I thought it was merely OK too upon first listen, but it's worth sticking with. Some of the more subtle tracks get better with each play; definitely a grower.
For me, Ugly Life is one of the best songs I've heard in years. Love the melody and sentiment.
Magic Cup fits into the whiskey argument but the live versions I've seen on Youtube rock.
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trobrianders
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 07:04:33
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Originally posted by oddball
It really seems like there are multiple works on the horizon:
1. Wales recordings = Pixies?
2. Nashville recordings = w/ Reid Paley
3. Recordings containing tracks such as the new ones he is playing on this tour?
It will be interesting to see how 2013 unfolds...
-Oddball
I couldn't agree more. Charles continues to give us a varied output. In the last 5 years we've had great albums; Finger double and Golem. Plus a bunch of diverting side projects. And 2013, is as you say, shaping up.
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johnnyribcage
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 08:42:51
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Whatever you may think of Paley/Francis, or any of his less experimental/aggressive work, off the top of my head I can't think of a single song he has done either on his own or in collaboration that I would classify as Blues. Could be wrong. He's an eclectic artist for sure, but a bluesman he is not, nor do I think he ever tried to be.
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Jose Jones
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 08:49:37
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Originally posted by trobrianders
lucmove's post wan't funny? I thought it was pretty funny. I log on for these funny/outrageous posts.
I heard the album streamed once last year. Sounded ok, straight. I like the idea fine of Charles going off and doing an album with a buddy. But like a lot of people here I get more worked up when Charles goes off on a real trip.
I'm sure you'd get me if you saw my wardrobe the one time.
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mine was in response more to lucmove. not sure why i had your response copied in there.
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oddball
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 09:42:47
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That's a very good point, johnnyribcage. This is particularly well-illustrated in the "unnamed" new song. The first few notes had me thinking blues. And then Charles integrated some of that beautiful quirkiness that marks most, if not all, of his songs. At the end of the day, whether seemingly country, blues, punk, or whatever else, it's all "Frank's special kind of disco".
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lucmove
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 11:03:45
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I feel less cranky now, so I will be gentler this time.
Of course the Black/Paley album doesn't suck, I would even say it's good, undoubtedly decent, but I found it pretty boring for something with Frank Black's name on it. Of course Frank is not 20 anymore and won't shock people like he did with Pilgrim/Surfer Rosa in days of yore, but he kept surprising and innovating for a long time. Even the country-ish records have their (his?) own, clear personality.
Also the album is not that bluesy, granted, but it clearly leans toward that side. And I kind of hate blues because although it sounds good, I find it very cliché, old, tired, repetitive. Why do those guys try so hard to impress us with all that moodiness? I usually decide they are doing it to impress some chicks, but I am a guy and that nonsense doesn't work on me. I like the sound, but I hate the attitude, which is reflected in the lyrics.
And that's I position I will hold even in a good mood. Sorry if I offended any blues fan.
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floop
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 15:12:45
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Originally posted by trobrianders
lucmove's post wan't funny? I thought it was pretty funny.
Ed is the hoo hoo
i thought it was an humorous post
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Jason
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 17:58:50
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Frank likes to write sad songs that have a certain timeless quality to them. The subjects: Death, heartbreak, self-destruction. People have always written about those things and will never stop writing about those things. If you ask me, Frank's songs in this vein are consistently sharp and beautiful. It's one reason why I love that Paley & Francis album.
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johnnyribcage
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 19:51:59
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Originally posted by lucmove
Why do those guys try so hard to impress us with all that moodiness? I usually decide they are doing it to impress some chicks, but I am a guy and that nonsense doesn't work on me.
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Well, I guess a lot of times the blues is a state of mind and a feeling. To truly play it, you need to be 100% invested in it, and a lot of "blues" players (particularly modern ones) don't necessarily fit that description. To back-peddle a bit on my previous comment, the blues doesn't really have to follow a specific chord structure, and the line between folk music and what most people would call blues is blurry at best.
Charles approaches this border often in his music, though I don't feel that he ever ventures into true blues. Interestingly, the blues is literally the root of all modern music that that we westerners listen to that is not classical or related to other world music traditions (i.e. middle eastern, eastern, etc). It's a blend of the classic, European tradition of written arrangements on tempered instruments with extremely precise notes and the African tradition of improv, "blue notes" i.e. pitch bending and 'soulful' singing. These elements are apparent in nearly everything popular today (and for the last 100 years or so) in our culture (North American and Eastern European).
What I'm saying is, it's all connected to blues, even if it's not "blues." It's a shaky premise on which to define something anyway, and like jazz, is somewhat indefinable. Further, if someone is truly digging deep into their soul and they are inspired by all that has come before, odds are those roots are going to come out. I've never had the impression that FB or someone like Paley are faking it, they're just digging deep into their soul. Much of what I've heard from Paley probably could fall into a blues category I suppose.
As far as 'getting chicks' goes, isn't that why anyone gets into performance initially (getting chicks being synonymous with getting guys, making friends, networking, ego-feeding, etc)? To that end though, I highly doubt Charles is trying to impress any chicks at this point, given his family status. Indeed, it's probably quite the opposite. It's Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Self-actualization.
Sorry for the academics. I'm a nerd. 
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johnnyribcage
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Posted - 02/17/2013 : 19:53:03
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by trobrianders
lucmove's post wan't funny? I thought it was pretty funny.
Ed is the hoo hoo
i thought it was an humorous post
green star member since 2006. smb?
And yeah, it was pretty funny
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floop
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Posted - 02/18/2013 : 03:43:11
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by trobrianders
lucmove's post wan't funny? I thought it was pretty funny.
Ed is the hoo hoo
i thought it was an humorous post
green star member since 2006. smb?
And yeah, it was pretty funny
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl!
i would categorize it as more humorous than funny
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floop
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Posted - 02/18/2013 : 05:12:59
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by lucmove
Why do those guys try so hard to impress us with all that moodiness? I usually decide they are doing it to impress some chicks, but I am a guy and that nonsense doesn't work on me.
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Well, I guess a lot of times the blues is a state of mind and a feeling. To truly play it, you need to be 100% invested in it, and a lot of "blues" players (particularly modern ones) don't necessarily fit that description. To back-peddle a bit on my previous comment, the blues doesn't really have to follow a specific chord structure, and the line between folk music and what most people would call blues is blurry at best.
Charles approaches this border often in his music, though I don't feel that he ever ventures into true blues. Interestingly, the blues is literally the root of all modern music that that we westerners listen to that is not classical or related to other world music traditions (i.e. middle eastern, eastern, etc). It's a blend of the classic, European tradition of written arrangements on tempered instruments with extremely precise notes and the African tradition of improv, "blue notes" i.e. pitch bending and 'soulful' singing. These elements are apparent in nearly everything popular today (and for the last 100 years or so) in our culture (North American and Eastern European).
What I'm saying is, it's all connected to blues, even if it's not "blues." It's a shaky premise on which to define something anyway, and like jazz, is somewhat indefinable. Further, if someone is truly digging deep into their soul and they are inspired by all that has come before, odds are those roots are going to come out. I've never had the impression that FB or someone like Paley are faking it, they're just digging deep into their soul. Much of what I've heard from Paley probably could fall into a blues category I suppose.
As far as 'getting chicks' goes, isn't that why anyone gets into performance initially (getting chicks being synonymous with getting guys, making friends, networking, ego-feeding, etc)? To that end though, I highly doubt Charles is trying to impress any chicks at this point, given his family status. Indeed, it's probably quite the opposite. It's Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Self-actualization.
Sorry for the academics. I'm a nerd.
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at the risk of sounding like a dick don't you think most Frank Black fans are music history savvy enough that they've probably heard the whole 'all-music-comes-from-the-blues" thing? isn't that a required stoned dorm-room conversation to have freshmen year of college?
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vilainde
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trobrianders
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Posted - 02/18/2013 : 05:35:10
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I'm not saying if I'm joining this argument or not.
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johnnyribcage
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Posted - 02/18/2013 : 06:52:01
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Originally posted by floop
at the risk of sounding like a dick don't you think most Frank Black fans are music history savvy enough that they've probably heard the whole 'all-music-comes-from-the-blues" thing? isn't that a required stoned dorm-room conversation to have freshmen year of college?
Welp, 1) I'm just having a conversation about music. 2) Why would I assume that? I don't know you guys, and this is the first time on these boards I've seen any mention of the blues. Hell, everyone could already know everything I said. If that's the case, no point in reading my post I guess. The poster kinda suggested he was sick of Black playing the blues, so I decided to ramble about the blues for a bit. The guy could be Mance Lipscomb's grandson for all I know. I'll say this though, I know plenty of people who are savvy as hell on modern music, yet their experience with the blues begins and ends with The Blues Brothers.
Oh well, sorry all, I won't talk music history again.
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vilainde
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Posted - 02/18/2013 : 06:55:27
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Hey johnny. Don't feed the troll, as they say. Floop's the worst.
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trobrianders
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Posted - 02/18/2013 : 07:03:13
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Originally posted by floop
i would categorize it as more humorous than funny
green star member since 2006. smb?
I like the way that sometimes happens, an unintended humorous outcome.
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floop
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Posted - 02/18/2013 : 07:21:25
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Hey johnny. Don't feed the troll, as they say. Floop's the worst.
Denis
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hey, denis, suck my balls. seriously
i knew it might come across as rude, but lets be honest, the idea that all modern rock music stems from the blues is a pretty remedial concept, no? i just find it a tad insulting to members here (or, I guess just me) to spend 3 paragraphs lecturing on that. think it's safe to assume most Frank Black fans are fairly savvy music fans. sticking with that opinion
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johnnyribcage
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Posted - 02/18/2013 : 08:12:03
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Wow. I only got into the music history angle for about 4 sentences, the bulk of it has to do with FB and Paley and my reply to an earlier post. If you're insulted, so be it. Seems like a pretty silly thing to get insulted about.
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Posted - 02/18/2013 : 09:33:10
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Wow. I only got into the music history angle for about 4 sentences, the bulk of it has to do with FB and Paley and my reply to an earlier post. If you're insulted, so be it. Seems like a pretty silly thing to get insulted about.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl!
agree to disagree?
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johnnyribcage
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Posted - 02/18/2013 : 09:48:54
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
Wow. I only got into the music history angle for about 4 sentences, the bulk of it has to do with FB and Paley and my reply to an earlier post. If you're insulted, so be it. Seems like a pretty silly thing to get insulted about.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl!
agree to disagree?
green star member since 2006. smb?
Deal.
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floop
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Posted - 02/18/2013 : 09:52:52
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
Wow. I only got into the music history angle for about 4 sentences, the bulk of it has to do with FB and Paley and my reply to an earlier post. If you're insulted, so be it. Seems like a pretty silly thing to get insulted about.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl!
agree to disagree?
green star member since 2006. smb?
Deal.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl!
I don't accept
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lucmove
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Posted - 02/18/2013 : 09:57:57
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The best thing about Frank though is that he just does what he wants. He's not taking our suggestions. And that's how it should be.
Good point, which raises another pet peeve of mine. Should I move this to the pet peeve thread?
I never liked that concept, that artists should just do what they want. And that's because, well dammit, they're doing it for us. There is no arguing that. We are the audience. If they just do it for themselves, why even release it? Why perform it live, in front of hundreds of strangers? Why not just stay at home and perform in front of a mirror?
I always remember an interview with the Jesus and Mary Chain in the 80s, they said they played with their backs turned to the audience because they were actually playing for themselves, and whatever they were doing should be nobody else's concern. But I always sort of expected the Reid brothers to say something silly in their interviews.
Well, to some extent that concept is right. The artist masters the skill and should know better what material is worthy or not, what direction is the way to go, etc. But they do have to take the audience into account. I think Frank has said that he would rather be doing country music, but has to do rock'n'roll for us immature kids who still suck up to that radio fad from the 1950's and don't pay enough heed to his Wild West experimentations.
So you see, FB is not just doing what he wants, and that's good. He deserves a long wet kiss for being generous like that.
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
Wow. I only got into the music history angle for about 4 sentences, the bulk of it has to do with FB and Paley and my reply to an earlier post. If you're insulted, so be it. Seems like a pretty silly thing to get insulted about.
Hey, johnny. Good insights, great post. I knew everything you said, but I needed the refresh.
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Posted - 02/18/2013 : 16:55:48
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I think Frank has said that he would rather be doing country music, but has to do rock'n'roll for us immature kids who still suck up to that radio fad from the 1950's and don't pay enough heed to his Wild West experimentations.
On the General Chat forum, you said that you've only read two Frank Black interviews in your whole life and I don't think you're lying about that because Frank Black has never said the above. If anything, he's been a consistent champion of the eclectic for most of his career. (See the Nashville Scene article in the "New Black Francis Interview" thread for a choice quote about this.)
(And, anyway, hasn't a big complaint--for those who like to do that--here been that Frank's latest music DOESN'T rock enough?)
In any case, being an independent-minded artist doesn't mean they write a song and then take a nap and never show it to anyone or they only play music in front of a mirror. It just means that they make the kind of music that they want to make. Simple as that.
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lucmove
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Posted - 02/18/2013 : 17:52:34
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Originally posted by Jason
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Originally posted by lucmove
I think Frank has said that he would rather be doing country music, but has to do rock'n'roll for us immature kids who still suck up to that radio fad from the 1950's and don't pay enough heed to his Wild West experimentations.
On the General Chat forum, you said that you've only read two Frank Black interviews in your whole life and I don't think you're lying about that because Frank Black has never said the above.
I didn't read that statement in an interview, I read that statement right here, in this forum. I'm pretty sure that someone here said Frank said that in an interview. Since forums are crowded with the kind of people who won't miss an interview, I just took it for granted.
Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused. I pass on the blame to whoever has given me the impression of maybe someday having said anything remotely similar to whatever I may have vaguely described hither or tither or elsewhere.
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The Maharal
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Posted - 02/19/2013 : 06:16:24
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http://www.c-ville.com/interview-black-francis/#.USOxhh1qerY
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Your latest release was Paley & Francis. How was working with Reid Paley?
“Mr. Paley and I have officially begun working on a new record. I’m not sure when it will come out, but it will be very different than the last one. I can’t explain why, but let’s just say, ‘I Am The Walrus,’ O.K.?”
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