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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 06/10/2012 : 06:11:52
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I think the reason I've never been excited about a new Pixies album is because I would hate to not like it, which is odd. That's a very strange position to take but one, I think, that many hardcore fans of a band have.
That's right, I'm one of those people who are concerned about the band's legacy. Why I should care seems a bit off to me. I can explain it and support it with logic of a sort, but it still feels strange to write it out.
It's not like a mediocre ruins the other albums, I'll still love Trompe Le Monde, I'll still enjoy listening to the fantastic live version of Into The White that concludes the 4/22/04 Vancouver show and I'll still get chills from the opening of Where is My Mind?
So, what's the problem?
The problem is, I don't want it to suck. The "problem" is that the band has an amazing set of albums. Pilgrim to Trompe is an amazing run of music. Sure, there are songs that I like a lot less than others, but overall, it's an incredible body of work. The b-sides are actually a-sides, and the album collecting them is one of my favorites.
So, even though I logically understand that a new album would not ruin their past work, nor their concerts, I don't know how a new Pixies album would not disappoint on some level.
Why? Because so much time has passed. Sure, they were evolving as they went along but that process was stopped; Frank continued on, moving through his solo work, before veering into more traditional rock, and country. While they've changed as people, it's possible, they've changed as musicians.
If they had kept releasing albums as the Pixies, filtering Frank's songwriting through their own unique musical abilities, then not only would they have a huge and amazing discography, the evolution of their music would easily flow between albums.
Instead, their output stands inviolate, an incredible run of albums, a legacy that inspires.
Now, so much time has passed, I wonder how a new album would sound. I don't want them to try to be the Pixies, or to write what they think Pixies songs sound like. My impression is that the Pixies albums emerged from Frank's songwriting in tandem with their abilities. He's changed, so how could they produce an album like the others?
They have to follow their muses, so...maybe the best approach is to be who they are now as musicians and whatever they play, without trying to be Pixies...will, theoretically...be Pixies.
I'm pretty sure someone on here once said that Capt. Pasty and Threshold Apprehension are two (relatively) recent works by Frank that would have made excellent Pixies songs. I think so as well.
So...maybe they have more great Pixies albums, just waiting to come out of them.
I guess I don't know how I feel about the idea of a new Pixies album...I only hope, like everyone here, that a new album would be as amazing in its own unique Pixieish way, as the rest of their records.
If they are recording a new work, I wish them well! |
Edited by - Arm Arm Arm on 06/10/2012 06:14:32 |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 06/10/2012 : 07:46:38
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 06/10/2012 : 09:13:06
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"Pixies of the 21th Century" would make more sense, with Manzarek joining the band and all...
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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
1037 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2012 : 09:24:24
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| Inside track says Keith Emerson joined the band... |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2012 : 10:37:24
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| Pixies Starship |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2012 : 10:38:18
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Or to fit the Mariachi concept of the album:
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2012 : 12:07:07
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
Thailand
313 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2012 : 16:19:09
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| I quite like the concept of Geddy Lee playing taking over from Dayton's finest on bass, and not forgetting he's got a mighty purty singing voice as well |
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Thomas
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/12/2012 : 05:18:11
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I wonder if he speaks like an ordinary guy?
(I know him and he does.)
"Our Love is Rice and Beans and Horses Lard" |
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Helmut
= Cult of Ray =
315 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2012 : 20:42:12
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| Bluefinger was rumoured to have been the sixth Pixies album, so that's kinda what it would sound like except cooler if the other three played on it. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2012 : 09:45:14
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I don't want a new Pixies album if Kim's not in the band. Can't she at least just sing a few backing vocals? Saying that though I think the album will at best have two or three stand out tracks and the rest will be filler, much like Bluefinger was really. Francis' vocals having changed with age and so without Kim the end result will probably not sound like the Pixies.
They left it too long. Should have rattled one out in the first few years or their reform, and who knows it might have been really great and a few more might have followed. |
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/14/2012 : 10:02:35
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Originally posted by pot
I don't want a new Pixies album if Kim's not in the band. Can't she at least just sing a few backing vocals? Saying that though I think the album will at best have two or three stand out tracks and the rest will be filler, much like Bluefinger was really. Francis' vocals having changed with age and so without Kim the end result will probably not sound like the Pixies.
They left it too long. Should have rattled one out in the first few years or their reform, and who knows it might have been really great and a few more might have followed.
There's not going to be any new Pixies music. Kim says no. Thompson might consider replacing her, but I doubt Dave of Joe would go along without Kim. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 06/14/2012 : 10:15:33
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Originally posted by Fissile
There's not going to be any new Pixies music. Kim says no. Thompson might consider replacing her, but I doubt Dave of Joe would go along without Kim.
No-one will think of it as the Pixies if it is isn't the original line-up and people will hate on it for that reason alone even if it's really good.
No problem with the other three knocking out an album though, but they can't call themselves the Pixies. Like I say I think No Deal would be a catchy title for the band or better the album. Like no Kim Deal and also no deal on a proper new Pixies album so we had to do this, sounds a bit bitter though.
Anyway, these rumours are going to turn out to be unfounded like the rest of them. Even if Kim did an album her heart's obviously not in it so the end result would be slightly disingenuous and wouldn't work I think. |
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The Maharal
= Cult of Ray =
996 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2012 : 10:45:19
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| The man said at xmas he was getting down to some "serious songwriting". Think a recentish tweet of his mentioned being in the studio too, so I'm just looking forward to a new solo album. |
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2012 : 10:47:40
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I wouldn't worry about Kim not signing on if there were demos being completed and if Gil Norton was producing
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2012 : 10:53:03
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Originally posted by The Maharal
The man said at xmas he was getting down to some "serious songwriting". Think a recentish tweet of his mentioned being in the studio too, so I'm just looking forward to a new solo album.
Songwriting for what though! He could have meant for the Pixies as well?
Also would like to see a new solo album though.
For fuck's sake, if nothing else why don't they just go into the studio and bang out a few covers of their own music (FBF+The Breeders) in the style of the Pixies? reinvent some songs that might have otherwise been Pixies songs in the style of the original Pixies vibe? Who says they need to write new songs for this, they already have shown that are good at redefining some of their own songs in different styles. It wouldn't be as difficult to pull off than writing a new album with new songs, and people would tend to be more forgiving if it was a bit shite.
I think that's a super smashing great idea!
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/14/2012 : 11:15:45
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I don't think Norton would like throwing out all those new demos they have laid down for a reinvention album if he was producing a whole new album...
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 06/14/2012 : 11:22:30
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Right ok, so you know for a fact that there ARE demos then.
Any reason why they can't throw in a few FBF/Breeders covers in on some B-sides as well? |
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The Maharal
= Cult of Ray =
996 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2012 : 11:25:58
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Originally posted by pot
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Originally posted by The Maharal
The man said at xmas he was getting down to some "serious songwriting". Think a recentish tweet of his mentioned being in the studio too, so I'm just looking forward to a new solo album.
Songwriting for what though! He could have meant for the Pixies as well?[/img]
He could well have meant that - I'm just disillusioned from the other twenty or so false dawns. I'm surprised NME haven't written their annual article on a proposed new album. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2012 : 11:28:09
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| Me too. And also I don't care. It's over for Pixies making new records in my mind, has been for a long time. Long live the King! |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
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Posted - 06/14/2012 : 12:55:51
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| I'm just listening to Sonic Youth's last non crappy film soundtrack album The Eternal. I really think Kim Gordon's vocals could work well with Frank Black's more mature screamy/gravelly voice. |
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Arm Arm Arm
* Dog in the Sand *
1037 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2012 : 06:15:29
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| There's no Pixies without Kim Deal or any of them. If three of the members recorded with someone new, I think a new name would be the right way to go. If they're even recording, who knows? |
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The New Bolero
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/15/2012 : 11:41:42
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| I think Ms. Deal's initial reluctance was out of fear of tarnishing the legacy but, look, that's before they ran the whole reunion thing so far into the ground. Since '04, they've steadily developed the stink of a phoning-it-in oldies act a la The Eagles, so at this point even Deal's got to be coming around to giving a new album a shot. Even if it's terrible, it might be the only thing that restores some of their credibility again. At any rate, they should give the nostalgia thing a rest because they've beaten it to death. I worry they'll be sending holograms out to tour the Doolittle 23rd anniversary this summer. |
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
518 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2012 : 07:08:38
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Originally posted by The New Bolero
I think Ms. Deal's initial reluctance was out of fear of tarnishing the legacy but, look, that's before they ran the whole reunion thing so far into the ground. Since '04, they've steadily developed the stink of a phoning-it-in oldies act a la The Eagles, so at this point even Deal's got to be coming around to giving a new album a shot. Even if it's terrible, it might be the only thing that restores some of their credibility again. At any rate, they should give the nostalgia thing a rest because they've beaten it to death. I worry they'll be sending holograms out to tour the Doolittle 23rd anniversary this summer.
Deal won't do it until Thompson agrees to giving her writing credits and a bigger cut of the cash. Thompson insists on keeping the old business arrangements. That's why there hasn't been any new CD. That's why the band broke up in the fist place. They may have been able to produce something worth listening to when they first got back together, but they are all way past their "best by" date now. Even the reunion shows suck now. They had a pretty go run the first time out. They cashed in handsomely on their second go around. Maybe it's time they put it to bed. |
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onyone
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Posted - 06/16/2012 : 07:51:13
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Originally posted by Fissile
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Originally posted by The New Bolero
I think Ms. Deal's initial reluctance was out of fear of tarnishing the legacy but, look, that's before they ran the whole reunion thing so far into the ground. Since '04, they've steadily developed the stink of a phoning-it-in oldies act a la The Eagles, so at this point even Deal's got to be coming around to giving a new album a shot. Even if it's terrible, it might be the only thing that restores some of their credibility again. At any rate, they should give the nostalgia thing a rest because they've beaten it to death. I worry they'll be sending holograms out to tour the Doolittle 23rd anniversary this summer.
Deal won't do it until Thompson agrees to giving her writing credits and a bigger cut of the cash. Thompson insists on keeping the old business arrangements. That's why there hasn't been any new CD. That's why the band broke up in the fist place. They may have been able to produce something worth listening to when they first got back together, but they are all way past their "best by" date now. Even the reunion shows suck now. They had a pretty go run the first time out. They cashed in handsomely on their second go around. Maybe it's time they put it to bed.
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 10:53:07
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| More of Fissile's creepy 'spokesman for the band' crap. |
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onyone
- FB Fan -
Yugoslavia
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Posted - 06/17/2012 : 12:24:39
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| At first I think Fissile comments were interesting. Then when I read through paragraph it fissile out very quickly. My English improving lately I have been taking English course online. Now I know how to do what you call pun to make humor. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 12:40:42
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| If onyone can do it you can do it. |
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The Maharal
= Cult of Ray =
996 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 13:15:24
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| This thread has gone to pot. |
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
518 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 14:17:48
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Originally posted by Ziggy
More of Fissile's creepy 'spokesman for the band' crap.
Go read the interviews that Thompson has given in the past few years. He doesn't flat out say it, because he's not a confrontational person, but if you read between the lines, that's exactly why there will be no new Pixies. Kim refuses to do it unless the business arrangements are changed, and he's not willing to change the business arrangements.
Maybe it's just as well, like I said, I think too much time has passed now. Anything they do now will probably sound contrived, or worse, self parody. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 17:28:47
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| Have read them; haven't seen that. |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 02:56:40
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If the Pixies make a new album, it will exist and I will listen to it because I dig Black Francis.
If they don't make a new album, I'll be happy just keeping up with Black Francis's solo stuff.
That's my whole opinion on this matter. No band is sacred to me. The Pixies' legacy is THEIR concern, not mine. That's how I see it. Whatever they do or not do is fine. I don't have a vote. I don't want one. |
Edited by - Jason on 06/18/2012 02:57:16 |
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Fissile
= Cult of Ray =
518 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 16:03:47
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Originally posted by Jason
If the Pixies make a new album, it will exist and I will listen to it because I dig Black Francis.
If they don't make a new album, I'll be happy just keeping up with Black Francis's solo stuff.
That's my whole opinion on this matter. No band is sacred to me. The Pixies' legacy is THEIR concern, not mine. That's how I see it. Whatever they do or not do is fine. I don't have a vote. I don't want one.
I was actually hoping for a new Pixies album after they got back together in 2004. They still sounded amazingly the same, and seemed to have a lot of the old energy. Now they just look tired and bored. I think that window of opportunity has now been shut. |
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 16:17:04
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pixie punk
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Posted - 06/19/2012 : 01:56:11
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Originally posted by pot
Anyone heard the new Dexy's Midnight Runners album?
Haven't heard it but I read an interview with the singer where he talked about the song he co-wrote with Sex Pistol Glen Matlock (one of my bass playing heroes) and I definetly want to hear that pot.And if you remember Glen collaborated with our hero Mr.Black on Breathless (The Stax Pistols).BTW can anyone here upload Breathless to youtube? 
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pot
> Teenager of the Year <
Iceland
3910 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2012 : 06:06:37
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| It's alright, had a listen to it on 3voor12 last night. Bit weird, quite funny. I liked it. Glad I don't have to listen to it as many times as Come On Eileen though! |
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