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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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 Posted - 04/07/2010 : 10:40:55
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Here you go Grotesque. Have fun!
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His name is Dalton. He's got a degree in philosophy.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 11:29:11
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
2002 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 12:04:43
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That picture is slightly erotik
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His name is Dalton. He's got a degree in philosophy.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 12:10:17
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 12:47:22
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| The Golem wins for having a boatload of great songs, for being consistent from start to finish, and for being a perfect execution of a good concept. And because the movie has a kick-ass clay monster. |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2564 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 13:02:08
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I haven't given NSE as many listens yet, but I really can't see myself loving it as much as Golem.
I think I'm a little disappointed with the sound of the songs he started playing a couple of years ago that are on the album, Rabbits and Dead Man's Curve. I love the songs, I just think I would have been underwhelmed whatever the studio versions sounded like, being used to the many great live versions that I've heard.
Rabbits IS lovely though. And Dead Man's Curve is one of my favourite Frank songs.
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 15:51:54
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NSE is easier to swallow (no pun [well, yeah pun, I guess]) but the Golem is more rewarding. I don't kick back and listen to Golem start to finish though, I've only been able to do that a couple times. Now I have it hacked down to the main songs.
Maybe the situation in trobrianders pic is what "When I Go Down on You" is about...
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl! |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 17:57:18
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if NSE was 22 songs in length then it would win, imo. golem wins, i think. apples and oranges.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 21:23:50
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
I think the golem is a stronger set of songs, but NSE is more fun to listen to.
I'm with Brank Flack.
Denis
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 21:24:59
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quote:
Originally posted by Jose Jones
if NSE was 22 songs in length then it would win, imo. golem wins, i think. apples and oranges.
Wait, I'm also with Jose Jones.
Denis
"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say." |
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1965
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
799 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2010 : 00:21:59
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Watch Golem on mute with NSE playing on the stereo. It's interesting.
Chalk v Cheese.
I have the key to #902 |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2010 : 01:06:17
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Or you could watch the Wizard of Oz with the Golem playing. Works every time!
Denis
"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say." |
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Sam
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
514 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2010 : 01:15:28
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Golem all the way. Love it. So much variation, unusual instrumentation, really good grooves. Love it.
NSE - i hope this is another Cult of Ray for me personally. I didnt get COR for a while. Now i love it and its an essential FB record. Unfortunately i dont think it is. In saying that this is BF anhd not FB so maybe thats where my problem lies.
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2010 : 01:43:46
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Golem by a landslide.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2010 : 01:48:55
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quote:
Originally posted by Jose Jones
apples and oranges.
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they were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Yeah. And I was thinking one's like a day out, the other a night in.
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
349 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2010 : 04:50:27
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quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
Or you could watch the Wizard of Oz with the Golem playing. Works every time!
Denis
"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say."
listen to dark side of the moon and look at your minotaur boxset.
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2010 : 06:47:20
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Golem. Nicely crafted, good ensemble playing, and the Man on fine voice.
NSE just sounds rushed. |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2010 : 03:23:58
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Originally posted by darwin
Erotik gets trounched.
Is that like raunchily trounced? 
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
777 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2010 : 22:40:12
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Ouch! Erotik is being beaten up ruthlessly by the strong Golem (it's true that Golem is 11 songs heavier, maybe they just dont belong to the same category). But remember Golem was on the ring first.
Personaly I think it's like Beatles (Golem) vs Kinks (Erotik). Beatles/Golem reach to a greater body of work (more good songs) but Kinks/Erotik have the true gems. Now I can say I dont like NSE tracks order. I made a new one for me, and I appreciate it much better that way:
1 Rabbits
2 Dead Man's Curve
3 Corrina
4 Wheels
5 6 Legged man
6 Wild Son
7 Nonstoperotik
8 Cinema Star
9 O my tidy sum
10 Lake of sin
11 When I go down
Tell me if it's not better that way!!!
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3111 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2010 : 02:07:34
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| How can you move Cinema Star from its rightful place at the end of the album, Grotesque? |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2010 : 02:42:38
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the tracklist IS a bit disorienting. but as i've touched on before, CINEMA STAR doesn't sound like the end of the album to me. it sounds like the song that comes right before the final 11.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2010 : 04:05:41
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The first leaked version of NSE had When I Go Down as track #1. It didn't work at all - total mess with only 1 misplaced song.
Denis
"Can you hear me? I aint got shit to say." |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
3302 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2010 : 04:12:05
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quote:
Originally posted by Jose Jones
CINEMA STAR doesn't sound like the end of the album to me. it sounds like the song that comes right before the final 11.
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Weird. That's what I sorta did. I moved Ghost Coming into the open track 12 spot. A great closer in my opinion, like Dog in the Sand.
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1017 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2010 : 05:47:31
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I love the tracklist as it is, to me Cinema Star is an epic and appropriate closer. I've been noticing we're a very picky bunch haha.
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Golem Survivor Round 3 http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20079 |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2010 : 07:13:18
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quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders
quote:
Originally posted by Jose Jones
CINEMA STAR doesn't sound like the end of the album to me. it sounds like the song that comes right before the final 11.
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Weird. That's what I sorta did. I moved Ghost Coming into the open track 12 spot. A great closer in my opinion, like Dog in the Sand.
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yeah, man! why the hell did that song get left off?! great tune. it would be my favorite on the album if it were indeed on there.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2010 : 21:21:14
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When I Go Down should have been the closer indeed. Since I heard The Golem twenty spins more than NSE, my choice in this battle is that little beast.
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realmeanmotorscutor
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1764 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 03:35:06
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Gotta go with Golem, I think. Sure, I skip nearly all of the interludes and reprises, but "You're Gonna Pay" is getting more listens than anything on NSE.
THE NSE thread has a post early on where the tracklist was exactly reversed. Wasn't that tracklist released by Frank? Anyone tried listening to it that way?
Ghost Coming would make a nice closer. Btw, does anyone have any idea why I always expect to hear a giggle at the end of Cinema Star? It's like I've heard that ending before (with the swelling strings) and in that song a girl giggles.
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 11:21:29
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Just a whole load more songs for the collection.
iTunes isn't my favorite way of playing music, but it sure makes it easier to jump tracks.
I got more Frank songs than any other artist. Well I'll be damned.
quote:
Originally posted by Jose Jones
yeah, man! why the hell did that song get left off?! great tune. it would be my favorite on the album if it were indeed on there.
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1301 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 16:27:34
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I think I can sorta see why Ghost Coming didn't make the cut. It's a great track, but it really does sound like a B-side to my ears. I'm not even sure how to qualify that, but that's how it strikes me. The subject matter and production doesn't fit either, IMO.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl! |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 17:15:35
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welp, i'm all aboot NSE. golem can go fuck itself. i kid, i kid. but seriously, i've switched sides. love golem, louvre NSE.
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1017 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2010 : 18:19:25
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
I think I can sorta see why Ghost Coming didn't make the cut. It's a great track, but it really does sound like a B-side to my ears. I'm not even sure how to qualify that, but that's how it strikes me. The subject matter and production doesn't fit either, IMO.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl!
I agree that its a great track, but more of a b-side than an album closer. I think B-sides typically get held in greater regard than songs merit, because there are lower expectations causing the listener to get over-excited when the songs turn out to be good. Not saying that the songs arent good - i really like ghost coming - i'm just saying they get over valued, and its something i do as well. An example of this is SSMVGD, i think its really cool and mostly think "aw this song should've been released!", but I realized if it was an actual album it'd probably be one of my least favourite Frank Black albums - it gets elevated by being unreleased.
That's my take anyways.
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
349 Posts |
Posted - 04/14/2010 : 22:00:47
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interesting. never thought of it like that but in a way, sometimes that is true.
also. why would you change the tracklist? :)
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 04/14/2010 : 23:14:43
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
I think I can sorta see why Ghost Coming didn't make the cut. It's a great track, but it really does sound like a B-side to my ears. I'm not even sure how to qualify that, but that's how it strikes me. The subject matter and production doesn't fit either, IMO.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl!
I'd agree with you there. Probably a demo. Just a step up from that 'Alabaster' song that was on bf.net a while back. |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2010 : 02:40:24
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up to this point i have labeled all BF releases as Frank Black, just to keep all the music together on my iPod. now, however, i have put all Black Francis in its own category. the past few years have seen one amazing release after another from this guy (not that that's unusual). i've been on a real Black Francis kick. obviously the 2 new albums contribute to that, but b-sides, live shows (utah saloon arrived in the mail yesterday!), and the FiNGeRS- i can't get enough.
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1017 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2010 : 07:20:40
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I think after a few weeks of listening I'm going to have to switch to team Erotik. But hot damn, every Black Francis release has been excellent so excellent - Christmass (half counts because some of the songs are accredited to Black Francis), Bluefinger, Svn Fingers, Nijmegen (sp?), Golem, NSE - exciting times.
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