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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 10/08/2007 : 08:27:43
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Vovat - you are right about OReilly, I'll give you that. But so what? He is a private citizen who has a tv show. He is getting return fire from all over the media/hollywood. Who cares? Free speech means you are free to voice your opinions, say what you want. All those people are getting to do just that, the issue with people like Springsteen is that they think they should be immune of criticism, debate or even retribution from consumers.
But again, regardless of your position on the war, reality is that anti-war celebrities are celebrated for their positions by the mainstream print and broadcast media, as well as 99% of OTHER CELEBS. It is an echo chamber and people like Bruce wants to portray himself as persecuted! Don't buy it man, even if you agree with him.
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
488 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2007 : 08:50:59
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What is this "patriotic" thing ye americans have?
Is this unique to the US? Many people are proud of where they are from and have a sense of national pride, but if your government makes a stupid decision why MUST you follow or agree with it? I thought ye had freedom over there!!! You are allowed to disagree (and voice your opinion)!!!
And it (the word "patriotic") seems to be used as a vicious slur...
Strange bunch.. I believe the word "liberal" is used as a slur in much of the US too!! Hilarious stuff!!
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2007 : 10:59:52
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Bill O'Rielly is not by any means a private citizen. Any one that thinks he is is very naive. Neither is Sean Hannity, Michele Mulkin, Combs or any of those other America destroying CIA shrills on the FAUX propaganda dissemination channel.
If you control the means of communication,
and five mega media corporations do,
you control the view The People have of world events
and can make public opinion a mirror of your views.
All of the vehicles for transmission of "the news",
newspapers and radio, magazines and TV,
will only give exposure to your side of the issues
and create the world the way you want it seen.
This manipulation is particularly insidious
when you know that your views, if stated openly,
would be voted down, rejected by The People,
so you make them unwitting accomplices in your story.
First, you create a problem -
an assassination, a terrorist attack, a war,
an economic collapse - it could be anything,
and then you get your media to report it.
And now that you've created the problem,
you also have to set up a scapegoat.
Again, this could be anything or anyone,
as long as it furthers your original purpose.
Communists, "illegal" immigrants, liberals,
single welfare moms, drug users, gays and lesbians,
affirmative action recipients, pacifists -
but let's go with Middle Eastern Arab Muslim men.
This provides the further advantage
of tapping into reliable latent racism,
fear of strange languages, peoples and religions
and revenge based on jingoistic nationalism.
The People will be eager to attack this scapegoat,
who's also the designated Fall Guy/Boogey Man,
created to get The People to ask you to do
what was originally unacceptable to them.
Crank up faux-balanced pundits and talking heads
reading talking points off scripted teleprompters.
Dumb down public opinion by using oxymoronic phrases
spouted by "reporters" who are neo-con stenographers.
Using talking points to dumb down national discourse
by shrinking the range of what it is that's talked about,
is like using a, b and c, but not the rest of the alphabet,
and refusing to entertain any reasonable doubts.
"They hate us for our democracy and freedoms."
9/11. Al-Qaeda. Saddam.
"If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists."
Yellow cake. Aluminum tubes. Smoking gun.
"Fight 'em there, or fight 'em here. War on Terror."
9/11. WMD. Saddam.
"Mushroom cloud." "Islamofascistic jihad."
Slam DUNK. Cake WALK. "Bring 'em on."
Marinate the airwaves, print media and American minds
with a shock and awe bouillabaisse of your views
with relentless, ritual repetition of propaganda
via newspapers, talk radio and Evening Entertainnews
with carefully orchestrated images of the event
- 9/11. 9/11. 9/11. 9/11. -
a 24/7 blitzkreig of terror by the best means
of manufacturing consent ever invented.
Want to give police and military more power
for home invasions and warrantless searches?
Wire taps on citizens? A National I.D.?
The ability to detain citizens without charges?
The People will react with "Somebody DO something!"
and that something will dovetail quite precisely
with what it was you wanted in the first place,
now presented as a way out of this crisis.
9/11. 9/11. 9/11. 9/11.
They'll come running to you for protection,
cowering in fear of the Fall Guy/Boogey Man
created specifically to control and to oppress them
into accepting growing limits on their freedoms and their rights
which is passed off as in the national interest,
but has nothing at all to do with The People's agenda
and, in fact, is a laundry list of your own wishes.
And that's really all that there is to this "sting".
Problem. Reaction. Solution.
A simple, yet Machiavellian technique
that short circuits even thoughts of Revolution.
You actually set up those who'd oppose you
to see your legislation as the only possible solution
to the problem you created in the first place
and then get them to demand you introduce it.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 10/08/2007 : 11:12:24
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Originally posted by lonely persuader
What is this "patriotic" thing ye americans have?
Yeah, for fuck's sake! Why can't they be unpatriotic like Irish people?! ;) |
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
488 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 02:37:32
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Originally posted by Carl
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Originally posted by lonely persuader
What is this "patriotic" thing ye americans have?
Yeah, for fuck's sake! Why can't they be unpatriotic like Irish people?! ;)
Fuck, i forgot the "un" there.... i'm ashamed :( |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 10/09/2007 : 03:51:15
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"America destroying CIA shrills on the FAUX propaganda dissemination channel"
I like this, it has a nice ring to it. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 04:08:28
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yaz1967
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 10/09/2007 : 14:27:53
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Last time I checked, Bill O'reilly has a commentary program---not a news program. O'reilly gives his opinion, not the news. Dan Rather, Cronkite and the like were not opinion programs but news programs--see the difference.
When you read Malkin, it is not on the front page, it is on the editorial page. You see, the front page is for the news, the editorial page is for the editorials. Why is this so hard to understand? |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 16:16:44
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What's hard to understand is why "Dallas" morphs into "Yaz1967" every time I make a point that successfully counters his.
Again - Bill O'Rielly is not a private citizen.
You can post and counter post and attempt to "crush me" all you want (sounds a little psycho to me) but just be aware that this is where you stand in the popularity of your opinions.
Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment? * 566571 responses
Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial.
89%
No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching "high crimes and misdemeanors."
4.2%
No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching.
5.1%
I don't know.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 16:36:09
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According to wikipedia? If you want, you can edit wikipedia to say anything you want.
Plus this Mockingbird thing was exposed in the 70s. Bill O'Reilly has been doing political commentary for a little over 10 years. It doesn't add up. Sean Hannity was born in 1961. You don't seem to prize credibility. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 16:37:32
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So you think because it was exposed it stopped? How about MkUltra? How about secret torture?
Come on Dar baby.
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We're going on a sweaty man love picnic!
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 16:41:57
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Fine. Then you go your original "source". The one quoted by the power hour.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
Where are the names O'Reilly and Hannity? Did you bother to check or do you like a little puppy just post what the conspiracy industry feeds you? Wake up. Use your your brain. Isn't that your mantra?
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 16:49:51
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Pentagon Planting Pro-U.S. News in Iraqi Papers.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5033320
What makes you think they only did this in Iraq? They suddenly hire reporters to write fake stories? No, they already have them. I've got more give me a second I'll show you a great example of propaganda we were fed. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 16:55:44
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Okay, I posted this a few weeks back. Would you agree this is now taking place? http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/040907_cheney_orders.htm
Now I posted this several times years ago. Do you see what is going on here? If so, please explain what you see. This is called propaganda.
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 16:55:55
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The King of Karaoke is often abreviated to "kok"
why is this? because it sounds like "cock"
cock is another word for "penis"
it is usually used as an insult
e.g. "you're a cock" could be thought of as synonymous with "you're an idiot"
through this reasoning, i have decided that "kok" is not to be taken eriously.
who takes a cock seriously?
I like to complain |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 16:56:08
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So you're no longer going to stand by your original posting about Mockingbird? You're going to say this happened therefore how do you know that didn't happen? You're unstoppable. You never face up to mistakes and respond to them by just piling on more links and mistakes.
Really the only thing you're accomplishing with your sloppiness is diminishing really problems. How do you know that the CIA isn't funding the Truth Movement in order to discredit critics of the Bush administration? Everybody can just say, "Oh, those wackos are up crazy claims once again". |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 16:58:51
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That the US army helped orchestrate the pulling of the statue was reported by the "evil" mass media days after it happened. Long before you put up links.
So, are you going to continue flooding with links rather than admit that your O'Reilly link was wrong? |
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yaz1967
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Posted - 10/09/2007 : 17:00:06
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Gee kok did I say Oreilly is a private citizen? No I did not. Again his show in not news---it is opinion. Answer the question--is it news or commentary?
It would of course be impossible for me to crush you over the computor but I can crush you on facts. Psycho---Whats really psycho is your posts. Your paranoia runs deep. But let me say at least you actually care. Agree or disagree it is always healthy to converse ideas. PLease do not take my verbal jabs so seriously. When you believe in somthing you get heated.
Please inform me who took this poll. also, do you really think I would base my opinion on a poll? I am not a litmus test politician. I actually believe in somthing and will not be swayed by a poll.
as far as me being Dallas I can assure you I am not. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 17:01:17
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I don't know what you expect. Operation Mockingbird was an example. "Operation Northwoods" is and example of the government planning to execute acts of false flag terrorism on it's own soil. Does that mean operation Northwoods was waht was folllowed on 9/11? No it's an example of what goes on. I'm trying to show you it happens. I did not read the whole Wikiipedia link you posted. As things get exposed they become different programs.
So what is your point? You don't think the media is controlled? Or you don't think people like Oreilly work for the CIA? |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 17:05:25
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My point is simple. You posted:
Operation Mockingbird -
Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity were, according to Wikipedia, propagandists for the CIA
http://www.thepowerhour.com/news3/o'reilly_hannity_cia.htm
If you looked at the wikipedia page that's not what it says. And the program was 35 years ago. So, you were wrong. Admit it. Try to have some creditability. Could there be other programs with different names? Sure, but that's not what you posted. You posted about 'Mockingbird'.
What do I think? I think you're sloppy and your efforts are counter-productive to what you claim to be trying to accomplish. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 17:06:12
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The mistakes you point out are inconsequential to the point most of the time. You get me on semantics I feel.
Mocking bird was exposed. Bill couldn't be part of Mocking bird because it ended in the seventies. Hannity wasn't born until 61.
Yeah, it was exposed and therefore has a new name for the same type of program.
Is this honestly completely unfathomable to you folks?
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 17:10:10
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yaz1967
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Posted - 10/09/2007 : 17:10:46
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| kok--funny how the only media being controlled is fox. Despite years and years of left wing media bias we have one station and people like you go crazy. Have you forgotten Peter Arnet? Have you forgotten Dan Rather? Keith Olberman? Bill Moyers? All of your links bash the right but somehow forget the left. Not one mention of the new york times, NPR, Hollywood, Chris Mathews no one but Fox news. I at least have said fox is obviously slanted to the right, would I get any such truth from you? Of course not. Facts are facts. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 17:22:38
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Perhaps sloppy because I'm dealing with four detractors at once here and trying to get some examples posted. I believe the original link I found showed what the Wikiipedia entry stated at one time. If you go to the current page it has since been edited.
No? That's how I read it. Again looking for example Googling and posting a link I find. Google "Bill OReilly CIA" yourself there were other sites talking about it.
Excerpted from Wikipedia:
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> According to Carl Bernstein, over 400 reporters were working for the CIA as part of Operation Mockingbird. These include, but are not limited to:
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> * CBS (William S. Paley)
> * Chattanooga Times (Charles Bartlett)
> * Christian Science Monitor (Joseph Harrison)
> * Copley News Services (James Copley)
> * Fox News (Sean Hannity)
> * Louisville Courier-Journal (Barry Bingham, Sr.)
> * The Miami News (William C. Baggs, Herb Gold, Hal Hendrix)
> * Fox News - The O'Reilly Factor (Bill O'Reilly)
> * Newsweek (Ben Bradlee)
> * New York Herald Tribune (Stewart Alsop)
> * New York Times (Arthur Hays Sulzberger)
> * Time Magazine (Alfred Friendly, Charles Douglas Jackson,
> Henry Luce)
> * Washington Post (Walter Pincus)
> * Washington Star (Jerry O'Leary)
I guess after finding very little else on this I would have to ask 'how credible is Carl Bernstein?' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Bernstein
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 17:25:48
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Mock (yeah)
ing (yeah)
bird (yeah)
yeah (yeah)
Mockin'bird, now
Everybody have you heard
He's gonna buy me a mockingbird
And if that mockingbird don't sing
He's gonna buy me a diamond ring
And if that diamond ring won't shine
He's gonna surely break this heart of mine
And that's why I keep on tellin' everybody
Say yeah, yeah whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, uh, oh
Hear me now and understand
He's gonna find me some piece of mind
And if that piece of mind won't stay
I'm gonna find myself a better way
And if that better way ain't so
I'll ride with the tide and go with the flow
And that's why I keep on shoutin' in your ear
Say yeah, yeah whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, uh, oh
Now, everybody have you heard
She's gonna buy me a mockingbird
Yeah if that mockingbird don't sing
She's gonna buy me a diamond ring
And if that diamond ring won't shine
Yes, it'll surely break this heart of mine
And there's a reason why I keep on tellin' everybody
Say yeah, yeah no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
Listen now and understand
She's gonna find me some piece of mind
Yeah if that piece of mind won't stay
I'm gonna get myself a better way
I might rise above, I might go below
Ride with the tide and go with the flow
And that's the reason why I keep on shoutin' in your ear...
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, now, now. baby
Sorry but I just really really needed to do this. Allllll better now.
Happy hearts fall from my shaking hands
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 17:29:03
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Originally posted by yaz1967
kok--funny how the only media being controlled is fox. Despite years and years of left wing media bias we have one station and people like you go crazy. Have you forgotten Peter Arnet? Have you forgotten Dan Rather? Keith Olberman? Bill Moyers? All of your links bash the right but somehow forget the left. Not one mention of the new york times, NPR, Hollywood, Chris Mathews no one but Fox news. I at least have said fox is obviously slanted to the right, would I get any such truth from you? Of course not. Facts are facts.
I was in the process of addressing this left/right paradigm you adhere to like a tick then big brother deleted the Iran topic. I feel all of the major networks are controlled by the government. The locals networks have freedom still but they spend most of their time talking about car chases and such.
FOX is just the worst example of the bunch I feel.
The left/right thing is a sham, I wish you could see that. Divide and conquer. By allowing yourself to feel disdain for anyone that does not share your pseudo conservative views you have inadvertently allowed yourself to be divided and subsequently conquered.
If you are not Dallas I'm sorry fro the accusation that you were. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 17:30:02
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Good night.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 17:39:25
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quote:
Originally posted by darwin
That the US army helped orchestrate the pulling of the statue was reported by the "evil" mass media days after it happened. Long before you put up links.
So, are you going to continue flooding with links rather than admit that your O'Reilly link was wrong?
I'm not sure you are getting the point of that pic. They not only helped pull it down but they brought in a select group of supposed pro american Iraqi's and did close up shopt's of the square to make it appear as though it was swamped with people. The guy riding the head as a supposed Iraqi citizen was one of Chalabi's right hand men that arrived the day before with Chalabi' by special US envoy.
That's what I'm trying to point out in that picture. Not that US troops helped pull it down.
How the news will be censored in this war
A new CNN system of 'script approval' suggests the Pentagon will have nothing to worry about
Robert Fisk - 25 February 2003
http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=381438
Already, the American press is expressing its approval of the coverage of American forces which the US military intends to allow its reporters in the next Gulf war. The boys from CNN, CBS, ABC and The New York Times will be "embedded" among the US marines and infantry. The degree of censorship hasn't quite been worked out. But it doesn't matter how much the Pentagon cuts from the reporters' dispatches. A new CNN system of "script approval" ? the iniquitous instruction to reporters that they have to send all their copy to anonymous officials in Atlanta to ensure it is suitably sanitised ? suggests that the Pentagon and the Department of State have nothing to worry about. Nor do the Israelis.
Indeed, reading a new CNN document, "Reminder of Script Approval Policy", fairly takes the breath away. "All reporters preparing package scripts must submit the scripts for approval," it says. "Packages may not be edited until the scripts are approved... All packages originating outside Washington, LA (Los Angeles) or NY (New York), including all international bureaus, must come to the ROW in Atlanta for approval."
The date of this extraordinary message is 27 January. The "ROW" is the row of script editors in Atlanta who can insist on changes or "balances" in the reporter's dispatch. "A script is not approved for air unless it is properly marked approved by an authorised manager and duped (duplicated) to burcopy (bureau copy)... When a script is updated it must be re-approved, preferably by the originating approving authority."
Note the key words here: "approved" and "authorised". CNN's man or woman in Kuwait or Baghdad ? or Jerusalem or Ramallah ? may know the background to his or her story; indeed, they will know far more about it than the "authorities" in Atlanta. But CNN's chiefs will decide the spin of the story.
CNN, of course, is not alone in this paranoid form of reporting. Other US networks operate equally anti-journalistic systems. And it's not the fault of the reporters. CNN's teams may use clich?s and don military costumes ? you will see them do this in the next war ? but they try to get something of the truth out. Next time, though, they're going to have even less chance.
Just where this awful system leads is evident from an intriguing exchange last year between CNN's reporter in the occupied West Bank town of Ramallah, and Eason Jordan, one of CNN's top honchos in Atlanta.
The journalist's first complaint was about a story by the reporter Michael Holmes on the Red Crescent ambulance drivers who are repeatedly shot at by Israeli troops. "We risked our lives and went out with ambulance drivers... for a whole day. We have also witnessed ambulances from our window being shot at by Israeli soldiers... The story received approval from Mike Shoulder. The story ran twice and then Rick Davis (a CNN executive) killed it. The reason was we did not have an Israeli army response, even though we stated in our story that Israel believes that Palestinians are smuggling weapons and wanted people in the ambulances."
The Israelis refused to give CNN an interview, only a written statement. This statement was then written into the CNN script. But again it was rejected by Davis in Atlanta. Only when, after three days, the Israeli army gave CNN an interview did Holmes's story run ? but then with the dishonest inclusion of a line that said the ambulances were shot in "crossfire" (ie that Palestinians also shot at their own ambulances).
The reporter's complaint was all too obvious. "Since when do we hold a story hostage to the whims of governments and armies?We were told by Rick that if we do not get an Israeli on-camera we would not air the package. This means that governments and armies are indirectly censoring us and we are playing directly into their own hands."
The relevance of this is all too obvious in the next Gulf War. We are going to have to see a US army officer denying everything the Iraqis say if any report from Iraq is to get on air. Take another of the Ramallah correspondent's complaints last year. In a package on the damage to Ramallah after Israel's massive incursion last April, "we had already mentioned right at the top of our piece that Israel says it is doing all these incursions because it wants to crack down on the infrastructure of terror. However, obviously that was not enough. We were made by the ROW (in Atlanta) to repeat this same idea three times in one piece, just to make sure that we keep justifying the Israeli actions..."
But the system of "script approval" that has so marred CNN's coverage has got worse. In a further and even more sinister message dated 31 January this year, CNN staff are told that a new computerised system of script approval will allow "authorised script approvers to mark scripts (ie reports) in a clear and standard manner. Script EPs (executive producers) will click on the coloured APPROVED button to turn it from red (unapproved) to green (approved). When someone makes a change in the script after approval, the button will turn yellow." Someone? Who is this someone? CNN's reporters aren't told.
But when we recall that CNN revealed after the 1991 Gulf War that it had allowed Pentagon "trainees" into the CNN newsroom in Atlanta, I have my suspicions.
go to top
http://www.robert-fisk.com
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 18:07:44
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Originally posted by darwin
So you're no longer going to stand by your original posting about Mockingbird? You're going to say this happened therefore how do you know that didn't happen? You're unstoppable. You never face up to mistakes and respond to them by just piling on more links and mistakes.
As I said. |
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 19:14:47
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I just want to point out, in general, but mostly to KoK, even if all the major news outlets really are controlled by either major corporations or the government, there is nothing at all stopping you from being the #1 source for news in America. I'm not being sarcastic.
If you don't like Fox or CNN or The New York Times or USA Today, then compete with them. This is still a free country*, so within , say, 5 years anyone of us here on the forum could be a major news outlet in America.
* The FCC itself is a violation of the 1st ammendment and never should've existed.
my friend posted MORE NEW paintings at http://myspace.com/landspeedsong |
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 10/09/2007 : 19:16:58
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Originally posted by jimmy
The FCC itself is a violation of the 1st ammendment and never should've existed.
Intriguing comment, jimmy. Can you expand on it?
 Please pardon me, for these my wrongs. |
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
3759 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 20:32:32
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Do you know what I find most intriguing and difficult to understand? All of my friends - of which there is an extensive group - are on exactly the same page as me. 9/11, controlled media, you name it but trying to get this message out to a bunch of strangers while sitting at a keyboard is like talking to a cinder block wall.
WTF? I don't get it.
It's not like I'm sitting here alone in my underwear going crazy about this shit. I find this - although difficult - to be quite a challenge, and therefore extremely entertaining.
Why do so many people "get it" and so many do not?
Sorry Bill O'Reilly wasn't part of "Operation Mockingbird" but actually "Operation Spotted Owl" or whatever as of yet undisclosed secret program.
Here read this again. http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_vi_ranse_071004_atavism.htm
Google search of "names of government secret programs" - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=names+of+secret+government+programs&btnG=Google+Search
How about U.S. Eugenics programs Darwin? When did they exist? Anyone?
The following is a list of this century's most controversial government activities from
1931
Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. While there, he begins a series of radiation exposure experiments on American soldiers and civilian hospital patients.
1932
The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and instead are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the progression and symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die from syphilis, their families never told that they could have been treated.
1935
The Pellagra Incident. After millions of individuals die from Pellagra over a span of two decades, the U.S. Public Health Service finally acts to stem the disease. The director of the agency admits it had known for at least 20 years that Pellagra is caused by a niacin deficiency but failed to act since most of the deaths occurred within poverty-striken black populations.
1940
Four hundred prisoners in Chicago are infected with Malaria in order to study the effects of new and experimental drugs to combat the disease. Nazi doctors later on trial at Nuremberg cite this American study to defend their own actions during the Holocaust.
1942
Chemical Warfare Services begins mustard gas experiments on approximately 4,000 servicemen. The experiments continue until 1945 and made use of Seventh Day Adventists who chose to become human guinea pigs rather than serve on active duty.
1943
In response to Japan's full-scale germ warfare program, the U.S. begins research on biological weapons at Fort Detrick, MD.
1944
U.S. Navy uses human subjects to test gas masks and clothing. Individuals were locked in a gas chamber and exposed to mustard gas and lewisite.
1945
Project Paperclip is initiated. The U.S. State Department, Army intelligence, and the CIA recruit Nazi scientists and offer them immunity and secret identities in exchange for work on top secret government projects in the United States.
"Program F" is implemented by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). This is the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoride, which was the key chemical component in atomic bomb production. One of the most toxic chemicals known to man, fluoride, it is found, causes marked adverse effects to the central nervous system but much of the information is squelched in the name of national security because of fear that lawsuits would undermine full-scale production of atomic bombs.
1946
Patients in VA hospitals are used as guinea pigs for medical experiments. In order to allay suspicions, the order is given to change the word "experiments" to "investigations" or "observations" whenever reporting a medical study performed in one of the nation's veteran's hospitals.
1947
Colonel E. E. Kirkpatrick of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission issues a secret document (Document 07075001, January 8, 1947) stating that the agency will begin administering intravenous doses of radioactive substances to human subjects.
The CIA begins its study of LSD as a potential weapon for use by American intelligence. Human subjects (both civilian and military) are used with and without their knowledge.
1950
Department of Defense begins plans to detonate nuclear weapons in desert areas and monitor downwind residents for medical problems and mortality rates.
In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Francisco. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.
1951
Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed.
1953
U.S. military releases clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide gas over Winnipeg, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Fort Wayne, the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland, and Leesburg, Virginia. Their intent is to determine how efficiently they could disperse chemical agents.
Joint Army-Navy-CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germs Serratia marcescens and Bacillus glogigii.
CIA initiates Project MKULTRA. This is an eleven year research program designed to produce and test drugs and biological agents that would be used for mind control and behavior modification. Six of the subprojects involved testing the agents on unwitting human beings.
1955
The CIA, in an experiment to test its ability to infect human populations with biological agents, releases a bacteria withdrawn from the Army's biological warfare arsenal over Tampa Bay, Fl.
Army Chemical Corps continues LSD research, studying its potential use as a chemical incapacitating agent. More than 1,000 Americans participate in the tests, which continue until 1958.
1956
U.S. military releases mosquitoes infected with Yellow Fever over Savannah, Ga and Avon Park, Fl. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health officials test victims for effects.
1958
LSD is tested on 95 volunteers at the Army's Chemical Warfare Laboratories for its effect on intelligence.
1960
The Army Assistant Chief-of-Staff for Intelligence (ACSI) authorizes field testing of LSD in Europe and the Far East. Testing of the European population is code named Project THIRD CHANCE; testing of the Asian population is code named Project DERBY HAT.
1965
Project CIA and Department of Defense begin Project MKSEARCH, a program to develop a capability to manipulate human behavior through the use of mind-altering drugs.
1965
Prisoners at the Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia are subjected to dioxin, the highly toxic chemical component of Agent Orange used in Viet Nam. The men are later studied for development of cancer, which indicates that Agent Orange had been a suspected carcinogen all along.
1966
CIA initiates Project MKOFTEN, a program to test the toxicological effects of certain drugs on humans and animals.
U.S. Army dispenses Bacillus subtilis variant niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians are exposed when army scientists drop lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates.
1967
CIA and Department of Defense implement Project MKNAOMI, successor to MKULTRA and designed to maintain, stockpile and test biological and chemical weapons.
1968
CIA experiments with the possibility of poisoning drinking water by injecting chemicals into the water supply of the FDA in Washington, D.C.
1969
Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense requests from congress $10 million to develop, within 5 to 10 years, a synthetic biological agent to which no natural immunity exists.
1970
Funding for the synthetic biological agent is obtained under H.R. 15090. The project, under the supervision of the CIA, is carried out by the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, the army's top secret biological weapons facility. Speculation is raised that molecular biology techniques are used to produce AIDS-like retroviruses.
United States intensifies its development of "ethnic weapons" (Military Review, Nov., 1970), designed to selectively target and eliminate specific ethnic groups who are susceptible due to genetic differences and variations in DNA.
1975
The virus section of Fort Detrick's Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) . It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses. It is also here that retrovirologists isolate a virus to which no immunity exists. It is later named HTLV (Human T-cell Leukemia Virus).
1977
Senate hearings on Health and Scientific Research confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.
1978
Experimental Hepatitis B vaccine trials, conducted by the CDC, begin in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men.
1981
First cases of AIDS are confirmed in homosexual men in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco, triggering speculation that AIDS may have been introduced via the Hepatitis B vaccine
1985
According to the journal Science (227:173-177), HTLV and VISNA, a fatal sheep virus, are very similar, indicating a close taxonomic and evolutionary relationship.
1986
According to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences(83:4007-4011), HIV and VISNA are highly similar and share all structural elements, except for a small segment which is nearly identical to HTLV. This leads to speculation that HTLV and VISNA may have been linked to produce a new retrovirus to which no natural immunity exists.
A report to Congress reveals that the U.S. Government's current generation of biological agents includes: modified viruses, naturally occurring toxins, and agents that are altered through genetic engineering to change immunological character and prevent treatment by all existing vaccines.
1987
Department of Defense admits that, despite a treaty banning research and development of biological agents, it continues to operate research facilities at 127 facilities and universities around the nation.
1990
More than 1500 six-month old black and hispanic babies in Los Angeles are given an "experimental" measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children was experimental.
1994
With a technique called "gene tracking," Dr. Garth Nicolson at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX discovers that many returning Desert Storm veterans are infected with an altered strain of Mycoplasmaincognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological weapons. Incorporated into its molecular structure is 40 percent of the HIV protein coat, indicating that it had been man-made.
Senator John D. Rockefeller issues a report revealing that for at least 50 years the Department of Defense has used hundreds of thousands of military personnel in human experiments and for intentional exposure to dangerous substances. Materials included mustard and nerve gas, ionizing radiation, psychochemicals, hallucinogens, and drugs used during the Gulf War .
1995
U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare research.
Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections.
1996
Department of Defense admits that Desert Storm soldiers were exposed to chemical agents.
1997
Eighty-eight members of Congress sign a letter demanding an investigation into bioweapons use & Gulf War Syndrome.
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We're going on a sweaty, man love picnic!
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lonely persuader
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I saw the episode of south park last nite, "Mystery of the Urinal Deuce". It reminded me of KOK.
Brilliant stuff. Cartman does a great powerpoint presentataion!!!
here it is
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Is Bruce Springsteen Unpatriotic for Opposing War?
