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The King Of Karaoke
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 Posted - 10/05/2007 : 17:26:36
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Is Bruce Springsteen Unpatriotic for Opposing War?
Drudge Report
October 4, 2007
Rocker Bruce Springsteen answers critics who call his anti-war sentiments unpatriotic by saying the real sin against patriotism is saying nothing while your country is being harmed. Springsteen discusses this and other topics, including why he’s still writing songs and performing, in an interview with Scott Pelley to be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, Oct. 7 (7:30-9:00 PM, ET, 7:00-9:00 PM, PT) on the CBS Television Network.
When reminded that his anti-war views, prominent on his new album, “Magic,” will cause people to say he is unpatriotic — as his critic have charged before — Springsteen says “That’s just the language of the day… the modus operandi for anybody who doesn’t like somebody… criticizing where we’ve been or where we’re going,” he tells Pelley. “I believe every citizen has a stake in the course, direction of their country. That’s why we vote… It’s unpatriotic at any given moment to sit back and let things pass that are damaging to some place that you love so dearly and that has given me so much,” says the 58-year-old musician.
In the interview, Springsteen points out the direction in which the U.S. is going, by his estimation. “I think we’ve seen things happen over the past six years that I don’t think anybody ever thought they’d ever see in the United States,” says Springsteen. “When people think of the Unites States’ identity, they don’t think of torture. They don’t think of illegal wiretapping. They don’t think of voter suppression,” he tells Pelley. “They don’t think of no habeas corpus,” he says, referring to the people being held by the U.S. government in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
“Those are things that are anti-American,” Springsteen says. “There’s been a whole series of things that… I never thought I’d ever see in America,” he tells Pelley.
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JC ANDREWS on October 5th, 2007
Thanks to Bruce Springsteen for saying what many of us are thinking. I too have been seeing the premeditated attacks on our civil liberties and the loss of freedom of speech that astonish me. With Bruce’s celebrity, he may be able to help get the message to the masses that the main stream media are trying to keep in the dark. I am a life long Republican (NOT NEOCON) and Ron Paul is right that the true Republican party has been hijacked by these wolves in sheeps clothing trying to imprison us all. GO RON PAUL! and Go BOSS Springsteen in getting the message out to the sheeple!
Signed:Pissed in North Carolina!
Steve on October 5th, 2007
Well said Bruce, speak out loud and hard against this Tyranny! All celebrities should fight this now if we hope to turn it around. Wake the people up. No more wars of agression, no more police state, let liberty rule.
Steve
dscglf4 on October 5th, 2007
i have never really been much of a fan of “the Boss”,but i would never label him “un-patriotic”.
whats the name of that song,oh,you know what song i mean,its right on the tip of my tongue.you know, that song that has been over expoited all over the airwaves around july 4th. and also on numerous commercials and movies…
what is it? something something somewhere?its not “back in the u.s.s.r”…
we need more people who were “born in the u.s.a” to speak out…
it is un-patriotic to not question !!!
garry on October 5th, 2007
Anybody who is surprised that Springsteen is saying what he is sayiing on the new CD hasn’t been listening (of hearing) to what he has said in the past. Or misunderstood the words. “Born in the USA” was not an ode to America. It was an indictment.
Dab on October 5th, 2007
For most people under the age of 40, the Internet has changed our perspective of the world, Most young people seem to understand that something is very wrong. Witness the amount of traffic that alternative news sites attract and the drastically reduced rating neocon radio has experienced and the unprecedented support Ron Paul has garnished. Young people no longer trust the Government and the mass media. Young people see the erosion of liberty in America. Young people are learning the truth about the FED and IRS. Young people are realising to what extent Big business controls our government and thus controls us. Young people are beginning to question why we support a terrorist nation like Israel. Young people know that 911 was an inside job.
Those who remain ignorant of these truths are almost exclusively older people who still get their news from mass media sources.
A revolution is brewing. There is no doubt in my mind. |
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Carl
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Posted - 10/05/2007 : 17:28:54
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locked.
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houstonguthrie
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Posted - 10/05/2007 : 18:33:11
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| ungrateful pinko commie that Springsteen |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 10/05/2007 : 18:34:04
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lol truthnews
I like to complain |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/05/2007 : 18:35:28
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i personally wouldn't get my news from someone with as big a forehead as this:
I like to complain |
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kathryn
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Posted - 10/05/2007 : 19:28:30
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I'm still wondering if it's true that he boinked one of the 9/11 widows he got close to while writing The Rising.
And to answer the question posed by this thread, yes but only according to the Bushies' "if you're against us you're for the enemy" fear-based "logic."
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 10/05/2007 : 19:32:42
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who would care if he was unpatriotic. is patriotism really a virtue?
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/05/2007 : 20:57:20
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| he's not, the people starting wars and calling people unpatriotic for voicing out against it are the ones who are really unpatriotic |
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/05/2007 : 21:00:27
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did kathryn say "boink"?
The waxworks were an immensely eloquent dissertation on the wonderful ordinariness of mankind. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 10/05/2007 : 21:40:54
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
he's not, the people starting wars and calling people unpatriotic for voicing out against it are the ones who are really unpatriotic
Yeah thanks Brank Flack,
Where the hell have you been?
Lot's of censorship going on over here these days. Could have used some support.
Had a perfectly civil thread going on Iran - despite the detractors behavior("I'll crush you"?) and it was not only locked but deleted.
Lost a lot of respect for a woman I once considered quite witty, and "with it".
Now? I wont say. |
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 00:02:46
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I'm not taking sides either way because I don't care, but I would like to say "Who exactly is calling Springsteen or any of the anti-Iraq War people unpatriotic?"
I'm really wondering.
People who disagree with his views are going to criticise him, but honestly, I never see him or people like him being labeled "unpatriotic". Truely, I think the people keep defending themselves against being called "unpatriotic" for criticising the war or Bush are just paranoid.
my friend posted MORE NEW paintings at http://myspace.com/landspeedsong |
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Homers_pet_monkey
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 02:55:12
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Put simply, no.
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houstonguthrie
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 04:52:19
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quote:
Originally posted by jimmy
I'm not taking sides either way because I don't care, but I would like to say "Who exactly is calling Springsteen or any of the anti-Iraq War people unpatriotic?"
I'm really wondering.
People who disagree with his views are going to criticise him, but honestly, I never see him or people like him being labeled "unpatriotic". Truely, I think the people keep defending themselves against being called "unpatriotic" for criticising the war or Bush are just paranoid.
my friend posted MORE NEW paintings at http://myspace.com/landspeedsong
Oh boy I'll tell you what - it is rough out there. There is just hardly ANYBODY out there criticizing Bush and this war. I mean where does one possibly go to hear just one tiny bit of criticism? It just can't be found. Especially in Hollywood and in the music biz right? I mean a guy like Springsteen is really sticking his neck out there in today's environment.
and not to mention the constant pressure from religious zealots too. I mean you can't hardly walk out your door these days without getting thumped by someone's bible
where in the world is a critic of Bush going to go to find some like minded individuals?? I feel sorry for them
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kathryn
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 06:17:57
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quote:
Originally posted by jimmy
I'm not taking sides either way because I don't care,
You should care when your government is killing people.
quote:
Originally posted by jimmy
but I would like to say "Who exactly is calling Springsteen or any of the anti-Iraq War people unpatriotic?"
I'm really wondering.
For starters the current administration non-stop for the last six-plus years.
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Originally posted by jimmy
People who disagree with his views are going to criticise him, but honestly, I never see him or people like him being labeled "unpatriotic". Truely, I think the people keep defending themselves against being called "unpatriotic" for criticising the war or Bush are just paranoid.
Sounds like you don't check out the news very often, which is fine. But it's also important to be informed about what your government is doing.
Happy hearts fall from my shaking hands
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trobrianders
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 07:16:08
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I've never minded a bit of monkeywrenching from a rock n roller. Damn it, it's expected! Why the hell is he out there alone? (That fucking knobhole dicksack Sean Penn notwithstanding)
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 11:49:30
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If I ever meet that unpatriotic cowardly lefty pinko subversive commie Springsteen, I'm gonna kick his ass! And then kill him by sticking a big American Flag in him!
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 12:26:07
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quote:
Originally posted by trobrianders
I've never minded a bit of monkeywrenching from a rock n roller. Damn it, it's expected! Why the hell is he out there alone? (That fucking knobhole dicksack Sean Penn notwithstanding)
He's not alone. A partial list:
http://www.spacechase.net/green/rock_against_bush.htm
Just google: ' "musicians against" "Iraq War" ' for more links.
Without getting into Hollywood and all the rest.
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Carl
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 17:33:40
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More pot and kettle: Bush has a go at Hollywood.
"Many people are surprised when told about the admiral's show business roots," Bush said. "After all, he is humble, well-grounded and filled with common sense. Not exactly what one thinks about when they think of Hollywood values."
Not exactly what one thinks when they think of George Bush. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/06/2007 : 19:01:42
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Bruce Springsteen is unpatriotic simply by virtue of being Bruce Springsteen: he just can't help it.
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Jefrey
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 00:52:08
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OK - once again, I didn't read KoK's article, but I am watching the new Ken Burns documentary "The War". Now if that doesn't make you realize how unnecessary and ridiculous the Iraq war is, nothing will.
I thought I knew quite a bit about WW2, but every episode has been an eye opener.
Qu'ils aillent se faire foutre <-- yeah, what he said. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 03:06:38
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quote:
Originally posted by houstonguthrie
quote:
Originally posted by jimmy
I'm not taking sides either way because I don't care, but I would like to say "Who exactly is calling Springsteen or any of the anti-Iraq War people unpatriotic?"
I'm really wondering.
People who disagree with his views are going to criticise him, but honestly, I never see him or people like him being labeled "unpatriotic". Truely, I think the people keep defending themselves against being called "unpatriotic" for criticising the war or Bush are just paranoid.
my friend posted MORE NEW paintings at http://myspace.com/landspeedsong
Oh boy I'll tell you what - it is rough out there. There is just hardly ANYBODY out there criticizing Bush and this war. I mean where does one possibly go to hear just one tiny bit of criticism? It just can't be found. Especially in Hollywood and in the music biz right? I mean a guy like Springsteen is really sticking his neck out there in today's environment.
and not to mention the constant pressure from religious zealots too. I mean you can't hardly walk out your door these days without getting thumped by someone's bible
where in the world is a critic of Bush going to go to find some like minded individuals?? I feel sorry for them
I don't think you needed that much sarcasm. You've used your quota for the whole year right there.
I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 03:49:06
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No, he's unpatriotic for selling state secrets to the KGB during the Cold War! Duh!
Seriously, does anyone really care? Patriotism is just the adult version of school spirit, and I never bought into that either.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 07:57:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Jefrey
OK - once again, I didn't read KoK's article, but I am watching the new Ken Burns documentary "The War". Now if that doesn't make you realize how unnecessary and ridiculous the Iraq war is, nothing will.
Then nothing will. A nation at war should not be indulging material about the true nature of war. A nation at war should be lapping up lies and all kinds of propaganda about how it has to win and how its enemies are pond scum. To extend VoVat's simile, what a nation at war needs is cheerleaders in short skirts. (No, I'm not being sarcastic.)
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houstonguthrie
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 09:00:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
quote:
Originally posted by houstonguthrie
quote:
Originally posted by jimmy
I'm not taking sides either way because I don't care, but I would like to say "Who exactly is calling Springsteen or any of the anti-Iraq War people unpatriotic?"
I'm really wondering.
People who disagree with his views are going to criticise him, but honestly, I never see him or people like him being labeled "unpatriotic". Truely, I think the people keep defending themselves against being called "unpatriotic" for criticising the war or Bush are just paranoid.
my friend posted MORE NEW paintings at http://myspace.com/landspeedsong
Oh boy I'll tell you what - it is rough out there. There is just hardly ANYBODY out there criticizing Bush and this war. I mean where does one possibly go to hear just one tiny bit of criticism? It just can't be found. Especially in Hollywood and in the music biz right? I mean a guy like Springsteen is really sticking his neck out there in today's environment.
and not to mention the constant pressure from religious zealots too. I mean you can't hardly walk out your door these days without getting thumped by someone's bible
where in the world is a critic of Bush going to go to find some like minded individuals?? I feel sorry for them
I don't think you needed that much sarcasm. You've used your quota for the whole year right there.
I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
oh good - you noticed - i wasn't sure it was going to come through
no - you're right - I think I shot my wad
(oh man I just did it again - "oh GOOD - you NOTICED - i wasn't SURE it was going to COME THROUGH - what's happening to me??!! what happened to that happy go lucky guy of yesteryear?) |
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floop
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 09:56:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Erebus
To extend VoVat's simile, what a nation at war needs is cheerleaders in short skirts. (No, I'm not being sarcastic.)
not zombie cheerleaders though
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Dallas
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 10:37:43
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This is such a phony issue. The junk about the administration calling people unpatriotic is nonsense. It just doesnt happen. When celebs criticize the war they get a triumphant promenade across the airways and print media. Always in a heroic light.
Its a joke to suggest that people are being cowed or called unpatriotic for protesting the war. Its considered a litmus test to be accepted by the media to hate bush and oppose the war. The media loves it, this phony story about Springsteen is a perfect example.
Yes poor Bruce Springsteen is suffering because of his views in evil America! He has been muted, thats why none of us know where he stands on the war!
Regardless of your position on the war, the intellectual dishonesty of this rhetoric is obvious.
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 10:45:31
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i guess this type of persecution complex comes with the paranoia that most conspiracy theorists share
I like to complain |
Edited by - PixieSteve on 10/07/2007 10:50:23 |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 11:58:45
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quote:
Originally posted by Dallas
This is such a phony issue. The junk about the administration calling people unpatriotic is nonsense. It just doesnt happen. When celebs criticize the war they get a triumphant promenade across the airways and print media. Always in a heroic light.
Its a joke to suggest that people are being cowed or called unpatriotic for protesting the war. Its considered a litmus test to be accepted by the media to hate bush and oppose the war. The media loves it, this phony story about Springsteen is a perfect example.
Yes poor Bruce Springsteen is suffering because of his views in evil America! He has been muted, thats why none of us know where he stands on the war!
Regardless of your position on the war, the intellectual dishonesty of this rhetoric is obvious.
So true Dallas. You are right on the mark.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 14:18:45
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 14:21:24
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The wives of Bruce Springsteen?
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 16:09:59
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The first time I heard words emitted by that gape-mouthed Natalie Maines I felt as though I had gone to hell, and that was long before she proved me right.
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houstonguthrie
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 16:20:51
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in the end just what happened to the poor Dixie Chicks? Did Natalie end up working at Dairy Queen? Or did they become heroes, have a movie made about them, win grammies and have all kinds of accolades thrown their way? I'm having a hard time mustering up some tears for them. They're not exactly waisting away in obscurity with no admirers.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 17:35:53
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When he looks at his unpatriotic self in the mirror, he must want to change his hippy clothes, his long hair and his commie face.
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floop
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 20:50:26
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 10/08/2007 : 05:47:17
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Just a few points I'd like to make:
1. If you want to see celebrities being called unpatriotic or all other kinds of childish names for opposing the war, you don't need to look any further than Bill O'Reilly (although he might currently still be trying to convince everyone that he's racist in a POSITIVE way).
2. I'm not sure why the Republican Party and Hollywood don't get along, considering that they seem to have the same basic goal: making filthy, stinking rich people even richer.
3. EVERY nation needs more zombie cheerleaders. Except possibly Haiti, which probably already has more than its share.
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
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thermoplastics
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Posted - 10/08/2007 : 07:03:40
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Why doesn't Bruuth( insert lisp, here ) shut up?
Why?
Because no one is talking about his music. (spit)
What does this poser give a f**K for anyways?
Real men, and women, are doing the dusty, hot hard work.
I can not wait until the last Boomer is dead and buried. God, what a whiney all about me crew. Die Dr. Spock die and take all your malignant spawn with you.
(Disco is more authentic that Bruuuuth( insert lisp ).)
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