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kathryn
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 Posted - 08/30/2007 : 17:24:08
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Originally posted by kathryn
Painful as it is to return on topic, this photo does look like a smoking gun, no? The last time I hugged a guy like that, well...goodness.
Oct. 27, 2005, 10:56 pm, Burlington, VT. I didn't forget either.
 an undisclosed number of visitors can't be wrong
Frogggiiieeeeeeeee!
the cure make me want to die, but in a good way -- mr.biscuitdoughhead
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Dallas
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Posted - 08/30/2007 : 20:49:02
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I never get why people who say they support gay rights so gleefully savage any republican or conservative for being gay. Don't they deserve compassion? Surely they didn't CHOOSE to be gay? I'm not defending this guy, but, there are always efforts/threats/bounty's to out republicans. Because of how they think, they don't deserve the very rights that the gay establishment is supposedly fighting for?
What I really don't get about this story is lets assume that Craig is guilty and that he knowingly was signaling someone for some action, which I believe. What comes next? I mean, what can be accomplished given the constraints? Can something sexual really occur or is it more of a fetish thing? It just seems odd as hell. Unless it is a remote bathroom and they then join one another but it sounds like this was a normal restroom with people coming and going.
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 08/30/2007 : 21:35:47
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I don't think anyone here is savaging gay republicans.
The problem with the guys we're savaging is their supposedly very straight Republicans. Their record tends to show them as being very anti-gay rights. I mean who cares if they were just gay? Boring. I don't.
But who cares if they're married with four kids, showing up in the front row at church every week proclaiming homosexuality is the work of the devil (or whatever) and the whole time they're cruising seedy, gay hookup spots looking for blowjobs or what have you? I do! I love watching these freaks get exposed for what they really are. Hypocritical pigs.
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kathryn
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 04:06:50
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Originally posted by Dallas
I never get why people who say they support gay rights so gleefully savage any republican or conservative for being gay.
The criticism isn't about their homosexuality but about their stalwart record in Congress against granting rights to gay people while while closeted themselves. It's about what they do with their political power while being hypocritical.
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What I really don't get about this story is lets assume that Craig is guilty and that he knowingly was signaling someone for some action, which I believe. What comes next? I mean, what can be accomplished given the constraints? Can something sexual really occur ...
A quick blowjob.
the cure make me want to die, but in a good way -- mr.biscuitdoughhead
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gyaneshwar
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 04:46:56
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Sen. Craig live in Japan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbObLy5MjWU
(and it's OK, you can click it. It ain't porn)
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The King Of Karaoke
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coastline
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 15:26:16
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The Associated Press is saying Larry Craig will announce his resignation from the U.S. Senate on Saturday.
(They're saying he can't take the relentless YouTube linking by KOK of the frankblack.net forum.)
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 16:04:47
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Success!
Down goes another member of the illuminati.
All without leaving my home.
KOK - Armchair warrior of truth!
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The King Of Karaoke
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 18:04:36
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don't call him a clown, makes him sound like he's a silly little man that shouldn't be taken seriously. we should take him very seriously.
We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.
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The King Of Karaoke
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 18:31:59
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"The criticism isn't about their homosexuality but about their stalwart record in Congress against granting rights to gay people while while closeted themselves. It's about what they do with their political power while being hypocritical."
It boils down to the fact that they disagree with you on social policy. And I am referring more to the election time threats against non-predatorial, but, closeted republican staffers or even congressmen. Not to the downing of a predator which Craigs history suggests he is. I'm all for getting anyone using their office to pressure others for their personal gain or gratification. I just think it is equally offensive if they are hetero or homosexual.
But, believe it or not, there are plenty of gays who do not feel victimized or lacking of rights at all. My mentor at work is one of them. He says that he has every protection afforded anyone else in society. He concedes that there are certain steps that he felt he 'had' to take that married heterosexuals can take for granted. Like having an official executed will. But he and his partner file taxes jointly, own there home and basically are living the american dream. He has a great life and career and has been a great friend and mentor to me.
I am not enough of a contrarian to muster an ounce of defense for Craig. This escapade is the equivalent of getting Al Capone in jail on tax charges, at least he is off the streets. Good for the rest of us.
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kathryn
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 20:58:12
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It boils down to the fact that they disagree with you on social policy.
No. It boils down to the fact that they are closeted gays making anti-gay legislation.
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But, believe it or not, there are plenty of gays who do not feel victimized or lacking of rights at all.
I don't believe it because I haven't met any.
the cure make me want to die, but in a good way -- mr.biscuitdoughhead
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Dallas
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Posted - 09/01/2007 : 14:01:00
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You should get out more. I can't think of any group of people that think in lockstep and gays are no different.
Don't individuals have the right to be in or out of the closet? Don't they have the right to support whatever social policy the choose? If those things come together they are no longer afforded anti-discriminatory protection for their sexual orientation? There is some hypocrisy in there for sure.
Also, don't confuse having rights with never having faced prejudice or discrimination. But maybe gays have it worse in Belgium. |
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 09/01/2007 : 15:00:49
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You should get out more. I can't think of any group of people that think in lockstep and gays are no different.
Don't individuals have the right to be in or out of the closet? Don't they have the right to support whatever social policy the choose? If those things come together they are no longer afforded anti-discriminatory protection for their sexual orientation? There is some hypocrisy in there for sure.
Also, don't confuse having rights with never having faced prejudice or discrimination. But maybe gays have it worse in Belgium.
What about the "Republican apologists"?
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The King Of Karaoke
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The King Of Karaoke
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Posted - 09/01/2007 : 18:26:19
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Sorry I quit, says anti-gay senator arrested in airport toilet
Paul Harris in New York
Sunday September 2, 2007
The Observer
It all came to an end under a clear blue Idaho sky, in the harsh gaze of a dozen TV cameras. Senator Larry Craig, who started the week as a revered stalwart of the conservative wing of the Republican Party, ended it with his career in ruins as he announced his resignation yesterday.
It has been one of the most bizarre sex scandals to hit America and its ending carried that theme on. As the unfortunate senator went through the ritual of committing political suicide, a handful of protesters waved banners. 'Senator Craig is not gay. He is a pervert,' read one. Another asked: 'Do you know what stall your senator is in?'
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That largely summed up the level of debate surrounding Craig's personal and political disaster after he was caught apparently attempting to solicit sex from a man in a Minneapolis airport toilet. The disaster for Craig was that the other party was an undercover police officer. For the married politician with a record of voting against gay rights, it was all over from the moment the news broke at the start of the week.
So, with his wife Suzanne beside him, Craig bowed to the inevitable yesterday and finally said the hardest words. 'I apologise for what I have caused. I am deeply sorry,' he told a crowd of reporters in the city of Boise, Idaho. He did not repeat his declaration that he was not gay but said: 'I have little control over what people choose to believe.'
The moment brought to a dramatic end one of the strangest examples of a seemingly endless list of Republicans who have fallen from grace and tarnished the party's self-proclaimed image as the guardian of America's public morality. They include Florida congressman Mark Foley, who stalked young male congressional messengers on the internet, and Louisiana senator David Vitter, who was caught using prostitutes.
The last few days in Washington as Craig's public and personal agony have played out have been odd to say the least. The airwaves have been dominated by a public debate on the whys and wherefores of men seeking sexual encounters in public toilets. Expressions such as 'cottaging', 'cruising' and 'the tearoom trade' have suddenly entered America's political lexicon. Much attention has focused on exactly what Craig was doing and if he really was seeking to procure sex when he sat down on the toilet.
The police version of events is simple. The toilet was known as a place where men came for sex. They would sit down in the stalls and use a recognisable series of foot movements and hand gestures to signal their intentions. That is, according to the police report, what Craig did.
He settled himself into the toilet, tapped his feet and moved his right foot over to touch that of the policeman in the next stall, and then slid his hand under the dividing wall. The policeman responded by showing Craig his badge. Craig was arrested. Or, as one unkind headline had it, he was 'flushed'.
Craig has steadfastly denied that he is either gay or was seeking sex. He said that the whole thing was a misunderstanding, claiming he had a 'wide stance' when sitting down and that led to him touching the police officer's foot. His hand movements, he said, had merely been a result of reaching down to retrieve some toilet paper.
The police were unimpressed by his version. In an excruciating taped recording of Craig's police interview the interrogating officer eventually gets annoyed at Craig's flat denials. 'I'm just disappointed in you, sir. I mean, people vote for you,' the officer says. Craig eventually pleaded guilty to a charge of disorderly conduct and - for a few months - thought that was the end of it.
But that was before news broke about the incident earlier this week. Then things got nasty. And funny. And strange.
The American news media quickly turned its full investigative talents to the issue, with one television news programme staging a re-enactment of the scene by newsreaders to see if Craig's version of events was credible. The issue has also become fodder for tabloids and late-night comedians.
The New York Post has dubbed Craig 'the potty pol' in its stories. But that is the least of it. Chat show host David Letterman quipped: 'Several prominent Republicans are calling on Senator Larry Craig to resign. And a couple are asking for his phone number.' Meanwhile, Letterman's rival, Jay Leno, added: 'His wife said she first became suspicious because every time he had to use the bathroom he would fly to Minneapolis.'
In most scandals, the target tries to ride out the storm. Denials are issued. Families stand by. Colleagues support. Sometimes it works. Often it does not. But in the Craig case there was an immediate race to disown the politician. Craig's career was not so much shot down in flames as vaporised.
Senior Republicans pulled no punches and raced to disassociate themselves from him, including presidential hopefuls John McCain and Mitt Romney, whose White House ambitions Craig had supported. 'Frankly, it's disgusting,' Romney said of a man who had been his friend and colleague at the start of the week. Democrats did little but stand by, probably laughing quietly.
The sheer ugliness of the Republican reaction has even led to expressions of sympathy from some unusual sources. Religious conservative Pat Buchanan - hardly a friend of closeted gay men - spoke out in shock. 'Rarely has a United States senator fallen so fast from grace or been so completely abandoned,' he said.
Former top Republican Tom DeLay also backed Craig and said he was being unfairly hounded. Such sentiments would perhaps have carried more weight if DeLay had not been forced to resign in 2005 amid charges of violating campaign financing laws.
It is certainly true that the Craig case has thrown a spotlight on some serious issues. The first is the idea of entrapment in law enforcement. Craig complained during his police interview that the officer had entrapped him. If he had been seeking sex, the encounter would have been entirely consensual. Some civil rights experts also point out that police do not seek to entrap heterosexual men or women into having anonymous sex in the toilets, for example, of a nightclub.
As it was, Craig has been arrested for merely touching the foot of an undercover police officer who was seeking to have his foot tapped. The incident has also shown just how anti-gay the Republican party can instinctively be, especially with a presidential nomination process under way in which religious conservatives play a prominent role.
The party has plenty of disgraced politicians who have kept their jobs. Just look at Vitter. His phone number appeared in the 'DC Madam' scandal and he confessed to using prostitutes. For several surreal weeks, Vitter - who campaigns on 'family values' - was trailed around Congress, pursued by television cameras. But he kept his job.
Or there is Senator Ted Stevens, a Republican whose home has been raided by the FBI and is the subject of a criminal investigation into bribery. Yet he remains head of a top Senate finance committee.
Yet Craig's hamfisted attempt at toilet sex, if such it was, instantly ended his political life. 'Apparently, in the view of the Republican party, there is nothing more serious than a member attempting to engage in gay sex,' said Melanie Sloan, executive director of the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. Craig now knows this, to his cost.
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