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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
469 Posts |
 Posted - 06/16/2007 : 00:54:41
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I this article 'sacred cow' albums like Sgt Pepper, Nevermind and Marquee Moon are deemed as overrated by various luminaries.
http://music.guardian.co.uk/rock/story/0,,2102991,00.html
Which album normally regarded as a masterpiece do you just not get? I agree with Nevermind. I remember loving it at first but getting very bored with it after about a month, and I don't care if I never hear Teen Spirit ever again. |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2462 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2007 : 02:50:41
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| Any Oasis album. |
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
871 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2007 : 03:49:55
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Originally posted by Ziggy
Any Oasis album.
Beat me to it! I second this nomination.
I agree whole heartedly with The Strokes and The Stone Roses in the Guardian list also
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 07:04:31
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I'd say Definitely Maybe is a classic, not a single song that isn't brilliant in my opinion, apart from 'Digsy's Dinner' and 'Cigarettes & Alcohol'. (What's The Story) Morning Glory? is overrated though.
I agree with Nevermind, I find most songs after 'Lithium' almost unlistenable.
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Rico Ricardo
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 07:20:42
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you bunch of pixie bummers! what is overrated? something you've heard of that you don't happen to like that much? I think Surfer Rosa is overrated to be honest, come on pilgrim is better... and Steve Albini is a cunt. There you go
Live and let live |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 09:02:19
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I hardly think any Oasis album is considered a classic. Were they ever considered a good or influential band?
I've tried listening to Trout Mask Replica several times and never made it far. But I concede that it's probably an album that pays rewards if you give it multiple tries. |
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
Thailand
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 09:28:25
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I agree about ‘Nevermind’ it sounds dated and as you get older it looses its appeal very rapidly. Some of the albums named in the article get a bit of unfair stick such as ‘Dark Side of the Moon’ and ‘Stone Roses’ and why is ‘Neon Bible’ considered a classic already?
I also agree with those above that anything by Oasis is way overrated.
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 09:56:12
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Oasis are mentally scheduled in my "must switch radio station immediately" list.
Celine Dion also on that list.
It's a long list.
Actually, I tend not to listen to the radio because of the list.
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 09:58:59
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Originally posted by darwin
I hardly think any Oasis album is considered a classic. Were they ever considered a good or influential band?
My thoughts exactly, Darwin. The title of the topic is "overrated 'classic' albums" and not "overrated albums". Allmusic gave their first 2 albums 5 stars, but allmusic is stupid.
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless. Kevin Shields is not a genius. It's a great album (one of the best of 1991) but it's overrated. I can't begin to count the number of times I've seen or heard Kevin Shields referred to as a "genius". He is not. |
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 10:00:26
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Originally posted by Srisaket
I agree about ‘Nevermind’ it sounds dated and as you get older it looses its appeal very rapidly. Some of the albums named in the article get a bit of unfair stick such as ‘Dark Side of the Moon’ and ‘Stone Roses’ and why is ‘Neon Bible’ considered a classic already?
you just have to look at some of the names of the quotees to realise they're talking crap. |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 10:03:28
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i think if you lived in the uk you would understand the whole oasis overrated thing
"Idiot" is just her sig. |
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IceCream
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 10:05:05
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| Oh, and In Utero is overrated. It has one good song. Nevermind, on the other hand, had 11 good songs. I've never agreed with the notion that In Utero is better than Nevermind. Nevermind is much better than In Utero. I've never heard Bleach. |
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IceCream
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 10:08:21
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
i think if you lived in the uk you would understand the whole oasis overrated thing
"Idiot" is just her sig.
Probably. Oasis' biggest hit in the US was "Wonderwall". Anything they've done since 1997 or so has gone completely unnoticed by the US, whereas (according to charts and stuff) they're still cranking out No. 1 hit singles over there. I admit my bias. |
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mr.biscuitdoughhead
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 10:18:56
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Originally posted by IceCream
Oh, and In Utero is overrated. It has one good song. Nevermind, on the other hand, had 11 good songs. I've never agreed with the notion that In Utero is better than Nevermind. Nevermind is much better than In Utero. I've never heard Bleach.
Bleach has 1 or 2 good songs imo.
Nevermind is defenitely Nirvana at their best and I don't consider it classic anyways.
Seems like whoever wrote most of these were either assholes, or don't know what the difference between a classic album and a just plain good one. Pet Sounds deserves all the attention it has gotten, maybe even more. Sgt. Pepper isn't my favorite Beatles album, but I think it too deserves every bit of attention. "Is This It" is not a classic, I love it but I just think it's a collection of 11 good songs. Calling "Neon Bible" a classic is retarded (very good but not that good. The "LA Woman" and "Meat is Murder" reveiws are the dumbest things I've ever heard, and I'm confused about whether the writer of the VU and Nico part liked or disliked the album.
I'm not offended or anything, I just wish I could tell these people how stupid they are.
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Edited by - mr.biscuitdoughhead on 06/16/2007 10:31:40 |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 10:30:48
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as far as i'm concerned, nirvana got better with each album
"Idiot" is just her sig. |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 10:38:48
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i still don't get pet sounds. some of the songs are nice but... i never have the urge to listen again. and i'm not really sure what cultural impact it had, which at least sgt peppers had (personally i think it's a great album anyway)
"Idiot" is just her sig. |
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
Thailand
313 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2007 : 10:44:51
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Originally posted by IceCream
[quote]Originally posted by darwin
I hardly think any Oasis album is considered a classic. Were they ever considered a good or influential band?
My thoughts exactly, Darwin. The title of the topic is "overrated 'classic' albums" and not "overrated albums". Allmusic gave their first 2 albums 5 stars, but allmusic is stupid.
Hang on a minute - maybe not on this list but on many British lists of 'Classic Albums', Oasis are usually always mentioned.
Example - Q Magazine's 50 Best British Albums Ever (top 10):
1. Oasis – Definitely Maybe
2. The Beatles - Revolver
3. Sex Pistols – Never Mind The Bollocks – Here’s The Sex Pistols
4. Radiohead – Ok Computer
5. The Clash – London Calling
6. David Bowie – The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust….
7. The Rolling Stones – Beggars Banquet
8. The Smiths – The Queen Is Dead
9. Led Zeppelin – Led Zeppelin III
10. Massive Attack – Blue Lines
What constitutes 'classic' anyway?
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 11:46:48
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| Classic to me means an album that people are going to be still listening to 50 (or 100) years from now. And I also think it needs have been around long enough to see if it's standing the test of time and having an influence. So, calling Nerve Belt a classic seems dumb to me. |
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fbc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 12:53:55
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
i still don't get pet sounds. some of the songs are nice but... i never have the urge to listen again. and i'm not really sure what cultural impact it had, which at least sgt peppers had (personally i think it's a great album anyway)
I think Pet Sounds gets credit because of recording conditions back in the day. It wasn't as if Brian Wilson had a 64 track studio to play with. Same with the Beatles stuff. Sgt. Peppers was a reaction to Pet Sounds that I know of, so there's the impact. Pet Sounds is a work of art in my opinion, but that's because I dig the genius/madness of Brian Wilson.
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BLT
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 15:05:08
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I don't get Pet Sounds either. I have tried.
Other overrated classics include any "classic" by Lou Reed.
Husker Du were overrated but I don't know if their albums are "classic."
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trobrianders
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Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 16:35:55
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All of them. Start afresh.
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2007 : 19:22:55
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All I have to say about this article is that I've listened to Marquee Moon more times and more recently than the first Franz Ferdinand album, which I loved when it came out. Franz Ferdinand is a fad. What makes them qualified to make comments on rock history?
I agree Nevermind sound dated. I think it was more of a breakthrough album than a bona fide "classic" whatever that means. It was the first mega hit grunge album that was produced with a lot of money by a studio. Kind of like "Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols" was for punk.
And isn't Coyne's comment that Nickleback sounds just like Nirvana a confirmation of their influence? He's kind of contradicting himself. I love the Flaming Lips to death, but every time Wayne Coyne comments on other people's music I really wish he'd put a sock in it.
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Superabounder
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 19:44:08
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And what the hell is a guy from Scritti Politti doing criticizing Arcade Fire? That is pretty funny. I guess the pinnacle of musical creation was in the 80's with Scritti Politti now that I think about it.
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
Thailand
313 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2007 : 21:49:21
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[quote]Originally posted by Jefrey
All I have to say about this article is that I've listened to Marquee Moon more times and more recently than the first Franz Ferdinand album, which I loved when it came out. Franz Ferdinand is a fad. What makes them qualified to make comments on rock history?
I agree but would also add that he is probably a better writer than a musician - not really saying much. |
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ccuadros
* Dog in the Sand *
Chile
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 21:57:07
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Srisaket
= Cult of Ray =
Thailand
313 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2007 : 22:05:33
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Originally posted by darwin
Classic to me means an album that people are going to be still listening to 50 (or 100) years from now. And I also think it needs have been around long enough to see if it's standing the test of time and having an influence. So, calling Nerve Belt a classic seems dumb to me.
And here is someone else's definition of overrated:
'Over-ratedness is more a function of critical praise divided by musical quality than it is a function of critical praise divided by commercial sales success.'
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 00:24:57
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Originally posted by Srisaket
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Originally posted by darwin
Classic to me means an album that people are going to be still listening to 50 (or 100) years from now. And I also think it needs have been around long enough to see if it's standing the test of time and having an influence. So, calling Nerve Belt a classic seems dumb to me.
And here is someone else's definition of overrated:
'Over-ratedness is more a function of critical praise divided by musical quality than it is a function of critical praise divided by commercial sales success.'
I'd agree with Darwin. To me, a classic album is one that stands the test of time and has some value in listening to, no matter how old it is. Place in history might have a bit to do with it as well though.
I think that's why Nevermind and Loveless probably qualify as "classic" albums, even if they do sound a bit dated. When they came out, they were pretty revolutionary. I also think they might sound a little less dated with a good remastering job. A lot of the albums that came out on CD from the late 80's to early 90's suffer from being mastered for 16 bit CD at a time when the technology prevented the CD mastering process from sounding anywhere near the resolution of the analog tapes.
I'd love to hear Loveless as 24K Gold Master and see how it holds up.
But yeah, including anything released in the last 5 or even 10 years is just stupid. I think we some time and perspective before we find out how Arcade Fire fits into rock history. It sure sounds good right now though ;
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soundofataris
= Cult of Ray =
USA
715 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2007 : 10:09:33
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The White Album. Some great songs, but lots and lots of worthless filler. Plus it drove Charlie Manson to kill in an attempt to spark a race war
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OLDMANOTY
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
469 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2007 : 13:24:09
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Closer by Joy Division is often considered a 'classic' but, apart from Decades, Isolation and Atrocity Exhibition, I think it's pretty mediocre. Unknown Pleasures is their classic.
As for The Beatles, much of Abbey Road sends me to sleep. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 13:46:19
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Although I agree that most of those albums are overrated, my god are the reviews awful. Most of them read like a review of a motor car, not a work of art.
Too many of those reviewers like the read of their own drivel.
 I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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misleadtheworld
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 16:47:13
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Those people are silly. The worst example is Luke of The Kooks. What an idiot. I agree with Alex Kapranos in what he has to say about Marquee Moon. Plus, he can write. It's surprising how poorly some of those little extracts read; particularly Luke of The Kooks.
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The King of Siam
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Sweden
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 05:53:02
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Anything with the rolling stones...they havent been interesting since 1965.
"Turn my f..king headphones up!" |
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2007 : 13:47:16
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I think I read somewhere that when Cameron Crowe starts a new movie, he gives the stars a copy of "Pet Sounds" for inspiration or something like that. Maybe it was only before one of his movies. Maybe I'm completely wrong and confused.
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mr.biscuitdoughhead
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1729 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2007 : 13:54:39
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Hey jimmy! When'd you get back? Or have you been here all along?
"Give me two days, and woman I will make you a girl." |
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2007 : 23:34:16
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It's been a while, how have you been?
I've been spending a lot of time on myspace trying to find the perfect profile song ( right now: "Your Favorite Thing" Sugar ) |
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mr.biscuitdoughhead
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1729 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2007 : 10:45:56
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That's what I thought at first but then I was like, 'wait a second...'. I'm good.
Try something really loud and annoying to force everyone to mute their computers when they go to your myspace. Klaxons, maybe. 
"Give me two days, and woman I will make you a girl." |
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