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Jordy
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 Posted - 06/07/2007 : 18:12:55
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Frank Black is really damn good at picking (or writing?) an ending song. In fact I wonder if he writes them to BE the ending of the album, or if it just happens naturally.
What song best ends the album? Feels the most like closure? Lets see...
Don't Ya Rile Em
Pie in the Sky
The Last Stand of Shazeb Andleeb
The Man Who Was Too Loud
So Bay
Dog in the Sand
Black Rider
Fields of Marigold
Manitoba
Sing For Joy
Fare Thee Well
Wow! Look how good he is at knowing what songs to end on!
Thoughts: It used to bother me so much that "Frank Black" didn't end on "Everytime I Go Around Here" , because it felt so much like a big finish. But now I realize that song IS the finish, and "Don't Ya Rile Em" is like the song over the end credits. I notice a lot of albums that have a big finish song, then a more upbeat song after it.
I can't pick one favorite but the most tear inducing endings to me are probably Sing for Joy and Manitoba and So Bay. Though lately "Fields of Marigold" has felt like the be all end all of end songs.
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Neptune
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Posted - 06/07/2007 : 20:07:15
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I've thought on this topic before. I agree the enders are mostly great, though i've never gotten into So Bay. And I'm disappointed about Fare Thee Well being the closer on FMRM when maybe it could have been Golden Shore, which i think is a perfect closer. I like The Man Who Was Too Loud, but my top 4 would be:
4. Shazeb
3. Manitoba (epic)
2. Sing For Joy (more epic)
1. Fields of Marigold (epickest)
unrelated, but one day i was listening to Fields of Marigold, during the guitar solo i thought to myself, "this sounds sorta like Queen". |
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Jordy
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Posted - 06/07/2007 : 22:00:56
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So Bay!! So Bay is great!
The reason it's so great is because in it's 2 parts, it totally sums up and puts closure on what Pistolero is all about (at least to me.) It's a very angsty album, it's maybe the most pissed off he's ever been (Switched You)...the centerpiece being the epic 3-part "So Hard To Make Things Out." Pistolero has a lot to do with hating where you are, wanting to get OUT of where you are ("I think I'm starting to lose it"), and wanting desperately for you to make sense of your life and get off your ass and DO something about your problems ("Smoke Up")...(i know not EVERY song is about this...but the same themes pop up so much that it shapes the album for me.)
So Bay starts out all PISSED off, anxious, and ugly...Walking around the ugly sidewalks in his town, hating all the noise, hating the atmosphere, buying an ugly Coke...then just as it gets so bad, suddenly there's this bit of sunshine and he's on the beach, and he can see his problems clearly, and if he's broke, he'll cope, because he can deal with everything better now.
I love So Bay
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erotic_vulture
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Posted - 06/07/2007 : 23:06:14
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Tough one.
I would say "Sing for Joy," So Bay," and "Dog in the Sand" are perfect closers for their respective albums and great songs independently as well. |
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IceCream
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 00:13:08
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"So Bay" and "Dog In The Sand" are really good album closers.
The first time I listened to "Pie In The Sky", I was thinking "Well, this sure is a weird way to close an album." But by the end of the song, I thought it was the perfect close. The reverberating screams of "that's an order" seemed to signify something I still can't quite put my finger on. |
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cassandra is
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The Holiday Son
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France
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 04:36:19
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1- Don't Ya Rile Em
2- Fields of Marigold
3- Pie in the Sky
4- The Man Who Was Too Loud |
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 05:29:24
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Pie in the sky.
The best ending because it's the farest one from the begining on any Frank album.
Except BLD, but I don't like The Black Rider.
And for FM/RM you must consider there's a double ending.
"un jour tu connaitra cette detresse de pres ou de loin, je peux te le jurer" - Ofabsis |
Edited by - remig on 06/08/2007 05:33:41 |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 06:22:39
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I like the way Don't Ya Rile Em charges to a sudden end!
 "Aw yeah, that's the good stuff!" |
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pixiestu
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 06:54:45
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The Man Who Was Too Loud, Manitoba and Sing For Joy are my favourites.
I love the ending of The Man Who Was Too Loud..."Though he loved to rock and roll...aw, I better not."
Fantastic song! Just brilliant!
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awestruck
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 07:26:11
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I can only rate the albums I have heard.
Pie in the Sky
Manitoba (but I like Coastline better and I think it could have been a good ending song)
I love BLD but I think Whispering Weeds could have easily been a good ending.
BTW, out of the Pixie albulms, i like Levitate me and Gouge Away (I know those are not mentioned, but I just had to say it.)
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Edited by - awestruck on 06/08/2007 07:27:58 |
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Sam
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 07:57:36
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1. Havalina
2. So Bay
3. Dog in the Sand
4. Manitoba
5. Pie in the sky |
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Conrad
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 11:44:18
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Manitoba! Manitoba!
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 12:26:50
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Originally posted by IceCream
"So Bay" and "Dog In The Sand" are really good album closers.
The first time I listened to "Pie In The Sky", I was thinking "Well, this sure is a weird way to close an album." But by the end of the song, I thought it was the perfect close. The reverberating screams of "that's an order" seemed to signify something I still can't quite put my finger on.
hey sam, i've been trying to contact you for a while but unfortunately don't have your email. this was the only way i could think to get a message to you. sorry to interupt any pertinent frank related discussion. drop me an email at mistergrieves32@hotmail.com so we can discuss show stuff.
You run all kinds of red lights except the ones on the street.
When you run out of exits you can always count sheep. |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
Papua New Guinea
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 14:01:07
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We almost forgot
Levitate Me
Brick Is Red
Gouge Away
Havalina
The Navajo Know
From that list I guess I'd have to say Havalina is a great closer even though I seldom play Bossanova. Gouge Away is a serious fuckin' closer but the one I've got a soft spot for is Levitate Me even though it seems only a closer by default. Blame Ivo.
From solo and Catholics I'd go for Dog In The Sand. Sublime 
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 14:07:11
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Don't forget about "Bluefinger." That song is sublime. I don't like it as much as "So. Bay" or "Sing for Joy," but it's way up there for closers. Now, if you count the last *two* songs, instead of just the last one, then my favorite one-two punch would be "Cult of Ray" and "The Last Stand of Shazeb Andleeb."
Didn't we do this same topic a few months ago? I can't find it, but I'm sure we did. Still, these things are always changing, so this is a fresh thread despite it being a repeat.
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olirockcity
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 14:10:34
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I personally like Sing for Joy, Manitoba and The Man Who Was Too Loud, but I liked the comment that Jordy made about how there is an ending, then a song played over the credits on FB. That reminds me a lot of how the Clash finished off London Calling, with Revolution Rock that clearly was the closer of that album, the last song listed on the album sleeve, then out of nowhere Train in Vain popped up. A similar kind of feel occurs on FB.
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 15:19:30
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Originally posted by coastline
Don't forget about "Bluefinger." That song is sublime. I don't like it as much as "So. Bay" or "Sing for Joy," but it's way up there for closers. Now, if you count the last *two* songs, instead of just the last one, then my favorite one-two punch would be "Cult of Ray" and "The Last Stand of Shazeb Andleeb."
Didn't we do this same topic a few months ago? I can't find it, but I'm sure we did. Still, these things are always changing, so this is a fresh thread despite it being a repeat.
Please pardon me, for these my wrongs.
That's the first mention of The Cult Of Ray's title track I've heard on this forum and that stuns me because it's such an incredible song, the way it's put together. Deserves a thread of it's own. What did you think about my theory that Bluefinger's title track is a more personal version of My Way that Brood might have sung? Brood famously covered My Way.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1K1fRY9Oe8U
Oh wait, maybe that's a no-brainer 
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Edited by - trobrianders on 06/08/2007 15:24:51 |
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houstonguthrie
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 15:41:27
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thanks for pointing me to the "My Way" video - that was great
I still have not explored Herman Brood yet - it's like a Christmas present that I haven't opened - that video was a nice teaser. I'd like to see the lyrics of "Bluefinger" to fully comprehend the comparison.
as a side note at the risk of highjacking the thread - have you ever heard Bob Dylan's "Restless Farewell"? It's a lot like "My Way" and Dylan sang it for Frank (Sinatra that is) on his birthday - I'll see if I can conjure up the lyrics to copy here - found it (Now get back to talking about Frank Black endings people!!):
Oh all the money that in my whole life I did spend,
Be it mine right or wrongfully,
I let it slip gladly past the hands of my friends
To tie up the time most forcefully.
But the bottles are done,
We've killed each one
And the table's full and overflowed.
And the corner sign
Says it's closing time,
So I'll bid farewell and be down the road.
Oh ev'ry girl that ever I've touched,
I did not do it harmfully.
And ev'ry girl that ever I've hurt,
I did not do it knowin'ly.
But to remain as friends and make amends
You need the time and stay behind.
And since my feet are now fast
And point away from the past,
I'll bid farewell and be down the line.
Oh ev'ry foe that ever I faced,
The cause was there before we came.
And ev'ry cause that ever I fought,
I fought it full without regret or shame.
But the dark does die
As the curtain is drawn and somebody's eyes
Must meet the dawn.
And if I see the day
I'd only have to stay,
So I'll bid farewell in the night and be gone.
Oh, ev'ry thought that's strung a knot in my mind,
I might go insane if it couldn't be sprung.
But it's not to stand naked under unknowin' eyes,
It's for myself and my friends my stories are sung.
But the time ain't tall,
Yet on time you depend and no word is possessed
By no special friend.
And though the line is cut,
It ain't quite the end,
I'll just bid farewell till we meet again.
Oh a false clock tries to tick out my time
To disgrace, distract, and bother me.
And the dirt of gossip blows into my face,
And the dust of rumors covers me.
But if the arrow is straight
And the point is slick,
It can pierce through dust no matter how thick.
So I'll make my stand
And remain as I am
And bid farewell and not give a damn. |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 06/08/2007 : 17:16:44
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Originally posted by houstonguthrie
thanks for pointing me to the "My Way" video - that was great
I still have not explored Herman Brood yet - it's like a Christmas present that I haven't opened - that video was a nice teaser. I'd like to see the lyrics of "Bluefinger" to fully comprehend the comparison.
The chorus says it all. His Way I'd say.
If my choices are poor well I made them, I made them
And who's knockin' on my door I paid them, I paid them
And all of my choices were pure yeah I made them, I made them
And who's that knockin' on my door well I paid them, I paid them
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MajorKey
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 00:17:15
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"So. Bay" and "Fields Of Marigold"
I never got used to "Sing For Joy" being a closing song. The leaked version of Honeycomb had it as the opening track, and that's probably how I'll always acknowledge it. |
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MHokkane
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 10:29:11
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Grotesque
= Cult of Ray =
France
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 10:46:48
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| So Bay and Dog in The Sand are grrrrreat songs, but I'm sure they suffered their position at the end of those albums. They're quite underrated, just because you dont reach the end of an album 30% of the time. |
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Jordy
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 11:49:28
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>>And for FM/RM you must consider there's a double ending.>>
Nah, I don't. I just see it as one album, with side A and side B, like on a vinyl or cassette. There can only be one ending to the entire work.
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 13:15:18
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looking over the compiled list of his album closers, i can't help but agree, the man knows how to close an album. i'm pretty sure the songs themselves are good closers rather than just being so used to the track lists... i too had the honeycomb leak with sing for joy as the opener, but i still think it's a great choice for a closer on the official copy.
can't pick a favourite.
Edited by - Dave Noisy on 06/05/2007 10:05:44 |
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trobrianders
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 14:07:49
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The thing of it is, I remember in Pixies days, a year or two in Charles got bored with the idea of setlists so he started doing stuff like playing them straight one night and reversing them the next and then playing them in alphabetical order, then reverse alphabetical... you get the idea. Well the press absolutely loved that beacase they'd been banging on that this was the best band in the world and that it really didn't matter which songs closed a live set beacuse they were all that good. So my point is this. Could any song off any album be a great closer?
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Jordy
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 15:09:37
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mr.biscuitdoughhead
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 18:04:13
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Manitoba, Fields of Marigold, The Man Who Was Too Loud, and (if Oddballs counts) Man of Steel.
[edit] Coincidence? I think not! Well, maybe I just like endings with the word "man" in them.
and Bluefinger (the song i mean) is a wonderful closer. If myyyyyy choices are poor....
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Edited by - mr.biscuitdoughhead on 06/09/2007 18:06:09 |
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mr.biscuitdoughhead
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 18:12:01
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quote:
Originally posted by pixiestu
The Man Who Was Too Loud, Manitoba and Sing For Joy are my favourites.
I love the ending of The Man Who Was Too Loud..."Though he loved to rock and roll...aw, I better not."
Fantastic song! Just brilliant!
"The arc of triumph"
I always wondered what that was about.
Pure easy listening, settle down |
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Jordy
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Posted - 06/09/2007 : 23:26:30
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It's about Jonathan Richman and how he didn't want to play loud music anymore.
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 06/10/2007 : 06:42:02
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quote:
Originally posted by Jordy
It's about Jonathan Richman and how he didn't want to play loud music anymore.
So then what's "You Never Heard About Me" about, Jordy? 
Did you get my e-mail?
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mr.biscuitdoughhead
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/10/2007 : 09:27:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Jordy
It's about Jonathan Richman and how he didn't want to play loud music anymore.
-Jordan
I knew that, I meant what the "Aw, I better not" thing was about.
Pure easy listening, settle down |
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Rico Ricardo
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Posted - 06/10/2007 : 09:42:03
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Manitoba, So Bay and Pie in the Sky are my favourits, all for very different reasons though, so I can't really pick one out as the best of the best.
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Jordy
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Posted - 06/10/2007 : 12:49:12
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<<I knew that, I meant what the "Aw, I better not" thing was about.>>
Just the same thing as the rest of the song..it's Jonathan Richman (or Frank Black embodying him) about to play rock and roll then deciding not to. Not sure what you mean?
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 06/10/2007 : 13:53:25
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i think it's because he's about the start playing the song again, and decides he "better not"
i don't think it's part of the lyrics
Edited by - Dave Noisy on 06/05/2007 10:05:44 |
Edited by - PixieSteve on 06/10/2007 13:54:15 |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 06/10/2007 : 14:13:52
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i agree with that. i don't think he's in Jonathan Richman character at that point..
Edited by - PixieSteve on 06/10/2007 13:55:03 |
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