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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 05/27/2007 : 13:10:20
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Was reading about this in my Sunday paper this morning. Apparently it is opening tomorrow in Kentucky. Link:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/museum/about.asp
The Answers in Genesis website states that the museum intends to persuade the American public that the literal truth of the bible is the only truth, ie the Earth is only 6,000 years old, man and dinosaurs cohabited together and there is no such thing as evolution.
I'm actually fascinated by this whole premise and would love to be local enough to visit. Sadly I can't see any trips over the pond in the near future. This sort of museum would never get built in this country and the fact that it cost $27M and has been funded from donations is incredible.
Anyone planning a visit?
BTW, before anyone asks, I tick the 'no religion' box on forms.
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s_wrenn
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 05/27/2007 : 13:45:33
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If anyone deserves a $27M shrine, god does.
He made me and you, dontcha know
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awestruck
= Cult of Ray =
USA
377 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2007 : 05:51:07
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I am hoping that my family will be able to go visit the museum. I am glad they built a museum like this one. Of course, scientists are throwing a fit about it saying that it is going to confuse kids. maybe i don't want my kids taught the evolution theory, but I don't have a choice about it. I personally believe that God is ultimate scientist .
Disclaimer: This is my belief, i am in no way trying to cram christianity down anyone's throat and I respect other's beliefs. I say this only because it seems like in America they are trying to make God and Jesus into ugly words. 
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 05:58:17
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I thought Tre was the ultimate scientist?
Denis
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 06:06:45
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quote:
Originally posted by awestruck
maybe i don't want my kids taught the evolution theory
Maybe or yes or no? Just curious about whether you do or don't want your kids to be taught evolution. Thanks.
I got some heaven in my head
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 08:01:41
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Originally posted by awestruck
I personally believe that God is ultimate scientist.
He doesn't submit his work to peer review, therefore a sketchy scientist. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 08:23:15
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God has peers?
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 08:26:20
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who you think started him smoking?
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Allen Ginsberg says you got no soul. The ancient Egyptians say you got seven of these bastards, and Pharaohs got fourteen, what they get for being Pharaohs. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 09:23:08
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
God has peers?
Good point.
The more I think about - if God knows everything, then why does he need to use a scientific process to figure out how things work. I think God might be the ultimate engineer, but he/she/it is not a scientist. |
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yingguoguizi
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 09:52:28
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awestruck
= Cult of Ray =
USA
377 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2007 : 11:20:35
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my point about the evolution theory is this...I honestly do not care if evolution is taught to my children, because they know that God created everything. The evolution theory is something they need to know about so they will gather knowledge. I don't believe in Buddha, but I enjoy learning about the cultures that do. I only say that God is the Ultimate Scientist because he created everything. He is the Ultimate everything. I believe God created man in his own image therefore he give man the ability to discover the wonders of the world and the ability to create also. It just upsets me that my children can't be taught about christianity in school, but all the other cultures in the world and their beliefs is covered, however brief. I just think equal should mean equal.
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s_wrenn
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 11:23:30
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Did god create Coke or Pepsi?
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 11:27:39
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Originally posted by awestruck
I only say that God is the Ultimate Scientist because he created everything.
Scientists aren't creators. They're people who use the scientific process to try to understand how things work. Therefore, again God supposedly knows how everything works and therefore doesn't need the scientific process.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 11:32:42
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quote:
Originally posted by awestruck
my point about the evolution theory is this...I honestly do not care if evolution is taught to my children, because they know that God created everything. The evolution theory is something they need to know about so they will gather knowledge. I don't believe in Buddha, but I enjoy learning about the cultures that do. I only say that God is the Ultimate Scientist because he created everything. He is the Ultimate everything. I believe God created man in his own image therefore he give man the ability to discover the wonders of the world and the ability to create also. It just upsets me that my children can't be taught about christianity in school, but all the other cultures in the world and their beliefs is covered, however brief. I just think equal should mean equal.
Favorite Quote: awestruck is a she, she's a she. -trobrianders
Oh goody. We can go into Holocaust territory now.
I got some heaven in my head
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 12:08:45
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Originally posted by awestruck
my point about the evolution theory is this...I honestly do not care if evolution is taught to my children, because they know that God created everything. The evolution theory is something they need to know about so they will gather knowledge. I don't believe in Buddha, but I enjoy learning about the cultures that do. I only say that God is the Ultimate Scientist because he created everything. He is the Ultimate everything. I believe God created man in his own image therefore he give man the ability to discover the wonders of the world and the ability to create also. It just upsets me that my children can't be taught about christianity in school, but all the other cultures in the world and their beliefs is covered, however brief. I just think equal should mean equal.
Favorite Quote: awestruck is a she, she's a she. -trobrianders
I don't know if this is a UK thing, but when I was at school (a little over 10 years ago) all we were taught was Christianity, and this is at a standard high school/comprehensive. As an atheist I found this a bit odd, in fact one RE told us that Jesus existed and there was proof he did all those things in the Bible, end of. It was a very white area so no need to teach other religions at the time I guess they felt, but still I dropped it as soon as I could (after 3 years). One of the most annoying things was having to sing hymns every morning, why do I have to sing a song praising a god I don't believe in and if I don't sing I get in trouble? I hope times have changed.
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 12:20:45
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I strongly believe evolution should be taught in high school, evolution as a process that is, I'm not so sure it should be taught in terms of origin of the species and I think there's a big difference here. I always teach it as this, a process, and lay heavy emphasis on the word 'theory'. Science is taught badly in school, kids see it as true or false, fact based learning and I try to emphasise that it isn't the case, because I don't believe it is. But that's a bit heavy so I'll move on. People have very little understanding of the way science is presented in schools. It's a depressing state of affairs.
Creation should not be taught in the science classroom. It's a science classroom. But why can't Christianity be taught in other aspects of school life? Is it not covered in religious education?
Hey Darwin, do you think science is creative?
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2007 : 12:32:25
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Hopsiah the Kanga-Jew
awesome.
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 12:35:24
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Doesn't anywhere else have christian and public schools?
Here you can choose which one to send your kids to.
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For Chrissakes have a cup of tea. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2007 : 12:35:54
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Go Mr. Gruff!
Make your own Mr. Gruff the Atheist goat. Children can keep him on their desks and practice witnessing techniques on him in between homework. Mr. Gruff comes with a coffee mug that he can hold. (Do not use mug with Lambuel figure. Lambuel thinks coffee is yucky!)
Coming soon: Disheveled Front Yard playset!
If you find an Atheist in your neighborhood,
TELL A PARENT OR PASTOR RIGHT AWAY!
(I can't believe this last line. So, atheist are like sex offenders that need to be identified and watched.) |
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s_wrenn
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 12:37:13
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"T-Rex was a herbivore"
Man, Spielberg got it so wrong
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 12:43:08
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Hey SK,
I only disagree with emphasizing Evolution as theory. In everyday meaning of the word "theory" evolution isn't a theory. You can see it happen. It's being documented in numerous studies. It's a fact. What is unsettled is how much different forces (like drift and natural selection) and constraints (like genetic linkages) shape it.
I think science is very creative. Most of my time spent thinking how things (ecological communities) might work and then formalizing the thoughts into models. So, the big goal for me is to try to think about things in different ways than previous scientists. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 12:50:59
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I can't believe this!
Make a nail just like the ones used by the Romans to crucify Our Lord. A thought-provoking project that will impress upon your children the suffering that Jesus went through on their behalf. Makes a great Christmas ornament!
Caution: Pointy edges. Not for children under 5.
http://objectiveministries.org/kidz/crafts.html |
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
871 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2007 : 12:59:44
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On the Gallery page. This actually goes beyond amusing:
Kevin, 15, drew a picture of the biology
test he took in a Secular school...
Your teacher may get her answers from the
back of the teacher's book instead of the BIBLE,
but JESUS still likes her anyway! Isn't He NEAT!
You can help! Remind your teacher that there's a FINAL
coming REAL SOON that you don't want HER to flunk!
To learn more ways to deal with silly Secular schools
watch "Test of Faith" & "Project Dinosaur"!
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2007 : 13:02:21
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 13:02:31
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Ah no, emphasis on theory not as a process but in terms of origin of species. The attitude I find everytime I try to teach this the first reaction I get is "I didn't evolve from no monkey". I have a hard time making clear the separation, description of evolution as observable process is taught with much gusto on my part (devoutlyavoiding the pepper moth I might add) but I fear when any creationist vs. evolution argument comes up neither side fully comprehends what the other means. Otherwise I see no reason why anyone would have any problem ever with evolution being taught in a science classroom.
I'm going to start a different thread for your use of the word fact though.
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 13:03:17
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OK, that site is horribly misguided in everything it's trying to achieve.
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
871 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2007 : 13:18:17
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Originally posted by darwin
Charles Darwin - coffee drinker
That'll be 'cofee'.
Spelling obviously low down on the teaching roster
The humble apple |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2007 : 14:15:53
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2543 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2007 : 14:38:05
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how did I miss this thread?
(see sig)
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr |
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 14:42:46
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Originally posted by starmekitten
Ah no, emphasis on theory not as a process but in terms of origin of species. The attitude I find everytime I try to teach this the first reaction I get is "I didn't evolve from no monkey". I have a hard time making clear the separation, description of evolution as observable process is taught with much gusto on my part (devoutlyavoiding the pepper moth I might add) but I fear when any creationist vs. evolution argument comes up neither side fully comprehends what the other means. Otherwise I see no reason why anyone would have any problem ever with evolution being taught in a science classroom.
I'm going to start a different thread for your use of the word fact though.
Idiot.
As I understand it, the 'Theory' is how evolution occurs not that it actually does happen.
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr |
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 14:45:04
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
Doesn't anywhere else have christian and public schools?
Here you can choose which one to send your kids to.
__________
For Chrissakes have a cup of tea.
I don't know if this was in response to my post, but no. What I went to was a standard high school, for the kids who can't afford to go elsewhere. There were other options but *they* were the religious schools, not mine. So I actually went to what was technically a un-religious school, same with primary school (4-11 year old), hymns, Religious (Christianity) Eduction, the Lord's Prayer every morning...
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 14:47:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Carolynanna
Doesn't anywhere else have christian and public schools?
Here you can choose which one to send your kids to.
__________
For Chrissakes have a cup of tea.
No, we had protestant or catholic schools. Good old Scottish education.
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr |
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bedrock_barney
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
871 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2007 : 15:06:55
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Originally posted by awestruck
my point about the evolution theory is this...I honestly do not care if evolution is taught to my children, because they know that God created everything. The evolution theory is something they need to know about so they will gather knowledge. I don't believe in Buddha, but I enjoy learning about the cultures that do. I only say that God is the Ultimate Scientist because he created everything. He is the Ultimate everything. I believe God created man in his own image therefore he give man the ability to discover the wonders of the world and the ability to create also. It just upsets me that my children can't be taught about christianity in school, but all the other cultures in the world and their beliefs is covered, however brief. I just think equal should mean equal.
Favorite Quote: awestruck is a she, she's a she. -trobrianders
This is interesting.
My (almost) 10 year old daughter is unsure of the presence of a god,Jesus etc. She knows that I do not believe in a god but is happy to be taught about the various religions in school with the primary teaching being Christianity. She should be able to more thoroughly explore religion in senior school.
My 7 year old believes in God but I suspect that this God is the one that crops up on The Simpsons now and then. You know, the giant knowing being with grey hair and beard and a booming voice. Jesus is a cool dude who can perform 'miracles' which fits right into her enjoyment of magicians generally.
Neither of them have reached an age where they can properly weigh up or even begin to understand the complexities of life and all that goes around us. Therefore the jury should rightfully be out for children until they are well into their teens. I think I had made up my mind by about the age of 16.
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awestruck
= Cult of Ray =
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377 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2007 : 15:09:40
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well i cant afford to send my kids to a christian school. they have to go to public school. Darwin in regards to
"Scientists aren't creators. They're people who use the scientific process to try to understand how things work. Therefore, again God supposedly knows how everything works and therefore doesn't need the scientific process." i know that God does not need the scientific process. i know that scientists aren't creators. I am saying that God created everything therefore he knows everything. And that he created man in his image therefore he gave man the ability to create and the ability to discover. Not that God needs it. And i will say again that i am not opposed to evolution being taught. it is interesting and even though i don't understand how everything fits into God's plan, I just have faith that it does.
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/29/2007 : 15:11:29
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How do you feel about other Faiths, awestruck?
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God George Bush snr |
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The Creation Museum
