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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
 Posted - 05/21/2003 : 11:28:12
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I may be alone in this thinking, but, I would guess that FB will eventually want to 'move on' from his Catholics band at some point in the future. A lot like Neil Young or Van Morrison, I think FB will be exploring some new musical avenue and most likely do so without the 'catholics'. Some of the guys may be involved I would guess. I would also assume that, like Neil Young and crazy horse, he would return to the Catholics at some point in the future.
What direction would FB go? I could see him going back to a much larger sound, especially with his recent flirtations with orchestral music. Or with his movement towards roots rock, will we someday be treated to a Nebraska styled solo effort from the man? I cant wait to find out.
I would guess that after 2 more FBATC discs his wandering spirit will return and push him in another direction.
BTW, I love all of the FBATC stuff. I'm not hoping for their demise, but expecting FB to do something other than evolve after all these years seems foolish. Either way, I will be on board with whatever the man puts out. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 05/21/2003 : 13:11:27
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I was thinking the same today
but more like
FB and the Catholics could go on forever
but would they? I don't know?
FB could move on like you said
But he also could stay with the catholics and just do other things
other types of music
or he could retire
or find another job and become something else
we just don't know
''it's not a box, it's a submarine'' |
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2003 : 13:17:16
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Who knows... but don't you think the Catholics evolve with just about every album they release? And besides, there are different lineups on almost every Catholic album. It's not like every song is with Scott, Dave, Frank, Rich. I don't think it's necessary to predict when they will break up because no one can say for sure, except Frank. No one knew that the Pixies would break up, and they did.
It just seems weird thinking about "breaking up" the Catholics because the lineup rotates quite a bit per song/album. Maybe I'm wrong, but who would want to depart from Scott Boutier when he shreds the crap out of those drums, but also has restraint and uses basic beats quite often.
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ProverbialCereal
- FB TabMaster -
USA
2953 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2003 : 13:19:06
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Or maybe you don't "shred" drums. haha.
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Dallas
= Cult of Ray =
USA
725 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2003 : 13:30:34
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well I'm not necessarily talking a breakup. With FB's recording setup, he could pump out a Nebraska-style solo disc or something else and still tour and record with the Catholics. He's that prolific.
Or he often describes TOTY as a collaboration with E.D. Feldman. As that CD's legend grows maybe he would want to revisit that partnership. Catholics could still be the touring band as well as the band he records with. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 05/21/2003 : 13:34:08
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I thought you guys were talking about a Pixies reunion.
Holy fuck I better get some work done! |
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Perhaps
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 05/21/2003 : 14:27:12
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| It's be hard to imagine his work sounding any better than it does right now. At least in the vain of rock'n'roll. Some of the backing work on the FB, TOTY and COR tours was just terrible. But I would certainly love to hear him sit down solo-style and do some twangy-country-rock songs. I just think he they would HAVE to get back if they parted, simply because of the sheer excellence of their current sound. |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1772 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2003 : 15:19:21
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| The Catholics have a chemistry and tightness that is just amazing. They compliment each other's playing style in a way that is seamless. I would be pretty crushed if they broke up, and I think that there is much promise for the future. Then again, all things must come to and end... |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2003 : 15:54:30
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| I've thought about this, but I just figure that the Catholics will evolve with FB as they have...every album since COR has been FB&TC, and they've definitely evolved along the way. Members might come and go (Lyle -> Rich), but all in all I think the lineup will stay pretty similar. |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2003 : 16:42:34
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i dont think he'll need to switch his back up band....mccaffrey and boutier are pretty damn versitile (considering frank's evolution since cult of ray).....if it rocks well, why switch?
...and evolving from the sea, would not be too much time for me, to walk beside you in the sun.... |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2003 : 19:23:13
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| I'd say you might get a solo acoustic type album, but most likely released within a few months of a rocking Catholics album. Frank seems to like dynamics like that. Unless Frank was going to record music with just a guitar, there'd be no reason to get rid of the Catholics. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2003 : 20:39:04
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He'd better not... mind you, Asterid could use a good drummer. Harris? :) We'll let you be our tour manager too. You just have to move to Saskatoon... I swear, the snow is gone <under breath> right now.
I don't think there's any reason for the Catholics to go their own way, I think they all seem pretty well-suited and comfortable with Frank and his style(s) so why would they/he leave? And I can't imagine it gets boring, either. Well, maybe after two straight months. But that would happen with anyone. |
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carsonwerner
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2003 : 21:12:23
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| Well, I'd say Tom Petty has somewhat done a similar sort of thing, where he still records with the Heartbreakers, but has had a solo album here and there. Also the Heartbreakers play here and there on the albums. I suppose I could see Frank doing that. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 05/22/2003 : 00:38:57
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I was thinking about this just yesterday whilst listening to Neil Young's Harvest album, a trully great album in my opinion.
I would like to see Frank stay with the Catholics, as at the moment they are at their best, like an efficient well oiled and maintained machine that churns out sheer quality an unprecedented rate. From what Frank says in interviews, this is a band that he feels very comfortable with, so with anyluck they will last for a longer time more.
Saying that, it would be cool for Frank to maybe do other side projects (like Neil Young etc etc.). Strictly speaking Devils Workshop was a side project, that didn't necessarily include the line up to the Catholics, and that turned out to be great.
I'd be happy if I was still buying Catholics albums in 20 years time (and happier if they were still releasing an album a year!!)
War....... Its Fantastic |
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Sheamus
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
345 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2003 : 01:54:38
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| Out of interest, was "Pray for the Girls" from the Powerpuff Girl's soundtrack without the Catholics? It is listed simply as Frank Black, so I'd assume it was just him. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2003 : 15:50:25
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Jerk on Perks
- FB Fan -
Canada
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Posted - 06/03/2003 : 15:57:49
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| I think it would be cool if Frank went back to the music he was making when he was just Frank Black. I really liked it when he sang his own backing vocals. I wasn't a fan of the Catholics stuff, and almost gave up on Frank altogether, but someone convinced me to listen to Devil's Workshop and I realized that I was making a mistake. I really like Devil's Workshop and Black Letter Days is good too, but when I listen to those albums I can imagine how he might have done those same songs back around '94, and it makes me wish he would go back to making music that way. . . I can wish can't I? Of course, I don't mean to put down what Frank is doing now. It is really good, but the first two solo albums made me fall in love with music, so you can't blame me for wanting more. |
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Itchload
= Cult of Ray =
USA
891 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2003 : 18:25:37
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| Backing vocals is one thing that has slipped a bit in Frank's career (the only thing?). First you have Kim Deal, who despite my not being a huge Breeders/Gigantic fan, is one of the best back-up vocalists ever, especially given the way her voice could bounce of Frank's. Then you have multiple Frank's backing up Frank which was always fun (Headache, for instance). Now the Catholics backing vocals just don't quite compare, but what can you do? Live to two track eliminates the option of Frank still doing it. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2003 : 21:00:46
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He just has to grow another throat. My favourite albums are still (and probably will forever be) his first two solo - TOTY & orange. I love his stuff now, but Teenager is what I would call the perfect album (nice, long, varied, interesting, plus the music is amazing) and the orange album is pretty up there - it's shorter and a bit more eccentric, but somehow more cohesive than Teenager. Those two albums, and in particular, Teenager, changed my life - and though it's an expression oft mired in hyperbole, it's absolutely true.
While I do love the sound and authenticity of live to two track, multitracking gives a person a lot of flexibility to add stuff to a song, especially when you have five people working on it. Although I suppose that the alternative is to bring in more people to play on it live, which is probably the best anyone could ask for. I just want Eric producing again... :) |
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Omer
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/04/2003 : 09:09:19
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| Hmmm, I think the model might very well NOT be Neil Young, but Nick Cave. Cave has worked the 'Bad Seeds' for a long, long time. However, the Bad Seeds have changed, and now virtually noone except Blixa Belgrad and Mick Harvey are left from the original line up. So, unless Frank goes solo accoustic for a little while, I don't see him quitting the Cs. |
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kommie
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 06/12/2003 : 05:09:04
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Teenager was like a 'best of' album, but it wasn't. Being a PIxies fan I disliked his solo stuff. I bought orange, listened to it once than threw it in the back of my car for a year. Put it in player for a second time and it stayed in 'single' player for 6mths untill I bought TOTY. That lasted a play, then I put back orange; but TOTY was back in 3mths later. ToTY was intense for 9mths or so, untill I got Catholics album. Catholics blew, but guess what?
Only thing I listen to now is mix of Devil's Workshop and Black Letter Days; other than singles Dog in Sand isn't so great. He shouldn't go solo, but I can't wait for him to pair up with someone else; just so I can hate him all over again. |
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/12/2003 : 07:35:17
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Originally posted by kommie
other than singles Dog in Sand isn't so great.
??????
try "amazing" |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
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Posted - 06/12/2003 : 08:13:04
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seriously, DITS is his best album overall if you ask me - i'm w/ psychic twin on this one
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jpmcdade
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 06/13/2003 : 06:22:44
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Frank Black and the Catholics will last as long as the Pyramids of Egypt, or the Parthenon of Atnens.
Long after Arnold Schwarzenegger is elected Governor of California.
Ole
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Jerk on Perks
- FB Fan -
Canada
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Posted - 06/14/2003 : 13:40:11
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| you know what. I pretty well agree and have had almost exactly the same experiences with FB that I am reading about here. I bought the albums, didn't like them, listemed to them later and loved them. This stopped when it became Frank Black and the Catholics. I have tried a number of times to get into the self titled FB and the C's and pistolero, but I just can't do it. But Dog in the Sand was the exception. I hadn't listened to it since about a month after it was released, and I put it on one day last week looking for a song that was going through my head. I couldn't turn it off. I listened to it all the way through twice, playing most of the songs two or three times before going on to the next one. It is a pretty good album. I would not say that it compares to Teenager of the Year or Frank Black * Frank Black, but then again I just started getting into it and I could change my mind about that. |
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jpmcdade
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Posted - 06/17/2003 : 12:30:44
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How Frank Black and the Catholics evolve from here will be interesting.
Without input from the Band then who really knows.
I think it boils down to this:
Is their best work behind them ?, or still to come ? If its behind them then they are already dead.
I think ( hope ) it is still to come. Can you imagine it keep getting better ? Thats alot of pressure right there, and I dont mean in a commercial sense.
If the fellers dont get bored with each other I can see them working together for quite a long time. The side projects, or solo stuff will probably be what keeps them together in the long run. |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
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Posted - 06/17/2003 : 12:39:32
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| Well, haven't the catholics evolved somewhat already? I mean, there have been changes with who is in the band - and so reasonably that could still change and yet it would still be 'Frank Black and the catholics'. |
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