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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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 Posted - 03/29/2010 : 09:26:02
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Originally posted by coastline
Frank is great, but Bob Dylan is king, in my book. But it's no knock on Frank Black to say he's not quite Bob Dylan when it comes to songwriting. Frank comes right after Bob. My other favorites include Lucinda Williams, Randy Newman, and Leonard Cohen. And for a minute there, I thought Nellie McKay was gonna be a great songwriter. Except she quit writing good songs after one brilliant album ("Get Away From Me"). And -- don't laugh -- I think Elton John is a pretty damn good songwriter.
 And aren't you havin' fun?
nelllie mckay should get rid of the band and jkust play piano and sing by herself she has a bunch of potential.
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
349 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2010 : 11:53:02
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People such as adam greene have definitey written great songs, as well as elvis costello (who has made 3 amazing albums (imho)) and a few that blow (imho). he and bowie are what i would consider prolific song writers. and they are some of my faves.
but my all-time faves, the ones i tihnk are the best are ones that i think are not only prolific, (although obviously not required to be as you will see as you look after the first few on my list) but consistent and they are the ones that top the list.
And in order they would be:
1. Frank Black Francis
2. Bob Dylan (also made some not so great stuff but he had almost 20 years straight of amazing music before that.)
3. Stephen Malkmus
4. Lou Reed
5. Mick Jagger / Keith Richards
6. Mick Collins
7. John Lennon (and sometimes Mcartney)
8. Neil Young
9. Ray Davies
10. Michael Stipe
11. Tom Waits
12. Beck
13. Brian Wilson
14. Prince
15. Daniel Johnston
16. Iggy Pop
17. Jonathan Richman
18. Sly Stone
19. Stevie Wonder
20. Bruce Springsteen
21. Wayne Coyne
22. Gordon Gano
23. Otis Redding
24. Robert Johnson
25. Arthur Lee
26. Curtis Mayfeild
27. Thurston Moore
28. Wesley Willis
29. Gregory Miles Harris
guilty pleasures: Eddie Vedder (eek)
I feel like i;m forgetting a bunch of people. it's hard to rate from 1 to 30. these list could change everyday.
:)
yes, besides fb alot of these started solid and had many years/albums of sucky work imho.
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johnnyribcage
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/29/2010 : 14:05:00
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Wesley WIllis comes very close. Very close.
Ayerigvlagabriga-Raraaaargh!-Rumbahl-Jumbahl! |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 03/29/2010 : 14:16:55
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Well for me, and this is no slight to Frank, the best songwriters of all time are: Bob Dylan, Neil Young and Leonard Cohen (two Canadians, woot!).
Songwriters i would put around the same level as frank: Townes Van Zandt, Lou Reed, Johnny Cash, Kurt Cobain, Nick Cave, Tom Waits, John Lennon, Jack White, Daniel Johnston and more that I can't think of this second.
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surrys
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 05:34:52
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why so little love for townes? i've got frank in my top three, no doubt, but barely.
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dylan
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Edited by - surrys on 03/30/2010 05:36:14 |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 06:33:25
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I put Townes on mine, and i agree he fully deserves to be on any songwriting list. Maybe he's not on many because he's somewhat of a lesser known songwriter ( a cult songwriter), and maybe because alot of frank black fans will come from more of an alternative background than a country background.
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
349 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2010 : 11:43:49
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
Well for me, and this is no slight to Frank, the best songwriters of all time are: Bob Dylan, Neil Young and Leonard Cohen (two Canadians, woot!).
Songwriters i would put around the same level as frank: Townes Van Zandt, Lou Reed, Johnny Cash, Kurt Cobain, Nick Cave, Tom Waits, John Lennon, Jack White, Daniel Johnston and more that I can't think of this second.
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thansk! i forgot townes, cobain, cave, jack white, and paul simon.
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martha_promise
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 03/30/2010 : 18:24:19
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Yeah Townes.
Robert Pollard should probably head up just about any list.
Dean Wells.
John Flansburgh & John Linnell.
I think I might have already posted in this thread before. Deja-vu and all.
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
349 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2010 : 05:04:39
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i agree with john and johm. who is dean?
i put guided by voices best of on my list of albums to buy. i had a few of theirs and never really got into them. i will listen more now.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 03/31/2010 : 05:07:26
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Originally posted by johnnyribcage
Wesley WIllis comes very close. Very close.
Rock over Portland!
Denis
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
349 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2010 : 07:28:30
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wesley willis live was one of the best shows i ever went to.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 03/31/2010 : 09:12:23
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That must have been quite something.
On a slightly related note, I'm going to see Daniel Johnston in concert in 2 weeks.
Denis
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
349 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2010 : 11:28:14
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that was also a great concert. at least the first time i saw him. in 08 i think. the 09 show was pretty good too. definitely worth seeing at least once (have you seen the documentary about him?
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ClassicalRey
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USA
56 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2010 : 11:57:51
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| R. Stevie Moore sure can put some words together when he wants to. |
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Idalgo Clandestino
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Posted - 03/31/2010 : 12:07:45
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Originally posted by trobrianders
So which two other songwriters would you have up there on the podium with Charles.
For me
Obvious - Tom waits and Elvis Costello
Less obvious more personal - Kristin Hersh and Nick Cave
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Ed is the hoo hoo
Charles, Charles and Charles
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treetime
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 03/31/2010 : 23:18:32
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| I do prefer Black Francis, but in a list of great muscial acts of my lifetime I would have to add the Beastie Boys. |
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ChickenOfDepression
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Posted - 04/01/2010 : 08:34:08
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Brian Wilson
Ween
Tom Waits
Harry Nilsson
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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ClassicalRey
- FB Fan -
USA
56 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2010 : 10:36:59
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R. Stevie Moore is some kind of lo-fi legend. Some say he's a DIY pioneer. He's been making and publishing his music since the late seventies. He plays whatever he wants, so he isn't really pinned down to one genre of music.
Here's a lot of videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/autosam#g/u |
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
349 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2010 : 10:58:09
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cool, i will check it out. what album do you recomend i start with?
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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TAMAL
- FB Fan -
Australia
55 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2010 : 01:05:46
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These three are all balancing on the first place podium:
Frank Black, Captain Beefheart, and The Sparks. |
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coastline
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2010 : 16:56:16
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Since I last posted in this thread, I've discovered Josh Ritter, who is right alongside Frank for me. Not as edgy as Frank, but just as interesting.
And all of this for nuthin', after all my huffin' and puffin'. |
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
349 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 05:55:06
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that is sarcasm right?
and i thought it was "sparks", not the "sparks"
a tweeter in wolves clothing is an amzing album.
we cover girl from germany. great song.
and the dirtbombs do a wonderful cover of sherlock holmes:
http://popup.lala.com/popup/937030214737725902
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TAMAL
- FB Fan -
Australia
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Posted - 04/06/2010 : 21:16:27
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Eh? Just 'Sparks' then. I don't have that album you mentioned yet, but I'll get it soon for sure! I just got into them, and I'm totally addicted.
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
349 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 04:51:33
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oh man. it's so good. it came out in 72. and it was so ahead of the game. i always get the title wrong.
'A Woofer In Tweeter's Clothing' is even weirder than Sparks' debut album. In fact it is so weird in places that it freaks you out. Ron's rickety organ is as prevalent as ever, as is Russell's piercing falsetto, and the songs are enhanced by a bewildering array of special effects (e.g. backwards tape loops, speeded up vocals, reverb, lots of distortion etc.). To quote Russell Mael, "We were doing things like sampling - long before 'sampling' was even a term".
I think like roxy music they were best before they got too famous. their later stuff is somewhat hit or miss IMHO.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 04/07/2010 : 05:07:49
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Don't you dare dissing Avalon! I love that record (and everything RM have ever recorded - except Country Life which isn't too good)
I know nothing about the Sparks except This Town and the Dirtbombs cover, but I'd love to get a listen some day.
Denis
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
349 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2010 : 05:34:03
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heh. uh oh. sorry.
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:)
I love the early roxy. I bought avalon (on cassette) after frank recorded remake remodel and was curious as to why he liked this band. I honestly only listened to it a handful of times and then really got into their earlier stuff. I don't hate it. it's just not my bag. but maybe one day. :)
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mediumhoot
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Posted - 04/07/2010 : 07:45:06
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| I urge you all to listen to Pinkerton by Weezer and discover the talent of Rivers Cuomo :) |
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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TAMAL
- FB Fan -
Australia
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Posted - 04/07/2010 : 22:03:15
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| I'm liking the sounds of that 'A Woofer In Tweeter's Clothing' album! From what I can tell, pretty much all the Sparks music in the 80s was no good, but surely you like their last few? How cool is this, for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na8oDCKp6AU |
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
349 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2010 : 04:43:19
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haha. that is so good. i haven't seen that. thanks!!
have you heard the song "i wish i looked a little better"
the album that song is on is pretty good as well.
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my band: www.myspace.com/mollybang
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TAMAL
- FB Fan -
Australia
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Posted - 04/08/2010 : 14:24:35
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Nah, but I'll have to get it now!
I like your 'Hot Sex' song. |
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joe FITZ of molly BANG
= Cult of Ray =
USA
349 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2010 : 04:48:30
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thanks! definitely inspired by charles thompson.
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Other songwriters as good as Frank
