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s_wrenn
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1851 Posts |
 Posted - 08/06/2006 : 06:16:31
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"In 1980, while an independent contractor at CERN from June to December 1980, Berners-Lee proposed a project based on the concept of hypertext, to facilitate sharing and updating information among researchers. While there, he built a prototype system named ENQUIRE.
After leaving CERN in 1980 to work at John Poole's Image Computer Systems Ltd., he returned in 1984 as a fellow. In 1989, CERN was the largest Internet node in Europe, and Berners-Lee saw an opportunity to join hypertext with the Internet: "I just had to take the hypertext idea and connect it to the TCP and DNS ideas and — ta-da! — the World Wide Web." He wrote his initial proposal in March of 1989, and in 1990, with the help of Robert Cailliau, produced a revision which was accepted by his manager, Mike Sendall. He used similar ideas to those underlying the Enquire system to create the World Wide Web, for which he designed and built the first web browser and editor (called WorldWideWeb and developed on NeXTSTEP) and the first Web server called httpd (short for HyperText Transfer Protocol daemon).
The first Web site built was at http://info.cern.ch/(The site doesn't exist anymore but here's an archived version.) and was first put online on August 6, 1991. It provided an explanation about what the World Wide Web was, how one could own a browser and how to set up a Web server. It was also the world's first Web directory, since Berners-Lee maintained a list of other Web sites apart from his own."
I only stumbled across the fact that it's been 15 years to the day by accident (Which is one of the joys of the net)
No doubt the internet has evolved greatly since then, and will continue to do so.
So how has the net improved/ruined your life?
And where do you see it's status in 15 more years?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5242252.stm
Seán Says: Okay, The Man From U.N.C.L.E. starring Ben Stiller as Solo and Owen Wilson as Kuryakin...No?
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mr.biscuitdoughhead
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1729 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2006 : 09:18:23
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| That's kind of scary. Exactly 15 years to this day? Oh, crap, I just had something else to write, but then I started reading your sig, and I forgot. |
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Superabounder
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1041 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2006 : 14:37:32
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Poor Al Gore...not a single mention and he was the actual inventor!
Mathematics moves at such a crawl |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2006 : 14:48:54
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... riiiiiiiiight....
 "No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2006 : 15:46:35
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al gore (supposedly) claimed he invented the internet, not the world wide web
FAST_MAN RAIDER_MAN - June 19th |
Edited by - PixieSteve on 08/06/2006 15:46:48 |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2006 : 16:26:57
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There was a time when there was much useful information out there which is now buried under a load of crap. A search engine will return 10,000 pages of porn, advertising and cross-linked B.S. (I can't even find the link to the net neutrality topic!).
The internet is the great deposit of suspect knowledge, a modern day Tower of Babel. I hope I never misplace this site's address.
In some countries there is national censorship. I don't agree with that but I think the next step ?forward? will be a search engine that only includes better information. I guess Ask Jeeves started that way? I don't think I would pay for it but you could make a lot of advertising money by having a directory of previewed pages or ranking pages by usefulness.
I heard an interview yesterday that included the Net Neutrality issue that COF brought up and how North America was already the 3rd world of internet access. Does anyone remember VTML and the 3D internet idea? That would eat up some bandwidth! There is that episode of Futurama where they visit the internet, that was what I had envisioned. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2006 : 11:08:12
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The last page on the internet will contain the title: 'Newsflash! Computers are taken over humanity!'
Join the Cult Of Pob! And don't forget to listen to the Pobcast! |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2006 : 10:22:23
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quote:
Originally posted by hammerhands
A search engine will return 10,000 pages of porn,
Isn't the internet great?
 I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2006 : 12:20:10
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So what was everyone's first encounter with the web? Incidentally, I should point out that it's the www that is 15 years old. The internet has existed in various forms, starting as DarpaNet, for quite a bit longer.
My first time was, I think in '93 or something. I logged in to the local university with my modem and some student's login/pass and went to NASA to download some pictures for a report I was doing, downloaded a few shots of Cindy Crawford and some other girls (this took a _long_ time), and played Chess with a professor from Finland. We each won a game and called it a draw. Soon it was IRC and warez and all that fun stuff, but I find it funny that my first visit to the internet still constitutes what amount to a majority of traffic: multimedia, 'porn' of sorts, and gaming. Music, video, and warez downloading at that time were a big pita because of the speeds and the lack of 'mp3'. WAV files are not small.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2006 : 13:36:55
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i think i first used it (both internet and www) when i went to secondary school because the computers there had access, so '98... but i didn't use it much, i set up a hotmail account that i never signed back into and that was about all. then a year later we got a new computer at home and got an internet connection, and my life went downhill from then onwards :(
FAST_MAN RAIDER_MAN - June 19th |
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2564 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2006 : 13:54:08
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Yeah, I first used it when I went to secondary school in '00. Mostly just for pointless games and stuff. It was a huge novelty at the time though.
"The arc of triumph" |
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2006 : 15:49:57
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my first experience would have been when i was around 15 - round the mid 90's - probly '95.
i used to go round to a friends house to use their super slow dialup to try and buy bootleg cd's from Kiss The Stone, the famous Italian bootleg label. i'd seen an ad in a music mag about the label and they had some pixies bootlegs which i just had to have.
i didn't have a credit card so i had to organise bank cheques which was diabolical.
bought some good ones from there, but they went bellyup along with a fair portion of my money a year later.
wasn't until i went to university in '97 that i actually had decent access to the net and i started spending alot of time and money on the damn thing.
all i can say, thank god for polio! brian |
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s_wrenn
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
1851 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2006 : 16:21:48
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Yeah, i first used it in secondary school too (around 97 -98) The first day on it i set up an email account as s_wrenn, and here i am ten years later too lazy to come up with something new.
Slow dial-up connection? I'm working off a 40k connection right now! (It goes as low as 11.2k when there's a storm) The only broadband package available to me is satellite broadband and that costs €84 a month. I'd want to be on crack, or at least selling it to afford that. And there is no sign of broadband line being installed near here in the near future. Fuck!
Example of my crap connection: Go to YouTube, select a video, wait, wait, the page loads, it loads 2 seconds of the video, wait, twenty seconds later it loads two more seconds, wait...(you get the picture)
Seán Says: Okay, The Man From U.N.C.L.E. starring Ben Stiller as Solo and Owen Wilson as Kuryakin...No?
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2006 : 16:25:59
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Well, my first connection to the internet was over a 2400bps modem. The moves to 14.4, 28.8, then 57.6 made worlds of difference each time.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
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tisasawath
= Cult of Ray =
Wallis and Futuna Islands
783 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2006 : 01:57:57
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94, a stroll through a gopher site at my university, with some info on my home town and the local weather, then an offensive text message to the editor of a local tv show (one of the rare few interactive features of local sites in existence then)
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AAAAWWWWWRRRIIGGHHTTTTT !! ! |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2006 : 04:29:44
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I think, if I recall, my first session went something like this:username>hhands
password>******
Welcome to MBnet
>dir
Invalid or Unknown Command
>dir
Invalid or Unknown Command
>?
Invalid or Unknown Command
>help
time-out, connection terminated.
It was a while before I started to use the usenet groups, but here is one of my earliest entries.
I still do not have the Pixies Live Promo
Where Is My Mind? is on the A Matter of Degrees soundtrack. |
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1462 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2006 : 04:59:05
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my first encounter was with the black vault. no shit! i did a search for frank black and ended there. i was like on my god! this is fantastic! i was using the university computers at the time. once fbnet came about i got my own computer.
"I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!" |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2006 : 05:32:47
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Started using the internet when I entered university in '94. I used OLGA to get Sonic Youth tabs. Later I bought a mag that had "THE MAP OF THE INTERNET". It gave you a bunch of URLs for music sites or whatever.
Denis
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2006 : 05:33:53
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I really can't remember when I first used the internet. I am guessing it was around 1999/2000.
I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
3426 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2006 : 05:38:01
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quote:
Originally posted by hammerhands
I think, if I recall, my first session went something like this:username>hhands
password>******
Welcome to MBnet
>dir
Invalid or Unknown Command
>dir
Invalid or Unknown Command
>?
Invalid or Unknown Command
>help
time-out, connection terminated.
It was a while before I started to use the usenet groups, but here is one of my earliest entries.
I still do not have the Pixies Live Promo
Where Is My Mind? is on the A Matter of Degrees soundtrack.
thats amazing that your message is still there 14 years later.....
thats kinda freaked me out.
all i can say, thank god for polio! brian |
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Levitated
= Cult of Ray =
Chile
652 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 21:35:25
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quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
Started using the internet when I entered university in '94. I used OLGA to get Sonic Youth tabs. Later I bought a mag that had "THE MAP OF THE INTERNET". It gave you a bunch of URLs for music sites or whatever.
Denis
hehe that must have been awesome! 
I wonder what are the oldest pages still alive? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2006 : 22:44:41
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You've made me wonder if my old geocities page, which was the biggest unfinished piece of garbage ever, is still kicking around the 'net.
Thankfully, no.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2006 : 09:52:09
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You just don't see enough "UNDER CONSTRUCTION" signs on the web anymore.
BLT's Heroes Series #1
Detective Phil Fish |
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a guy in a rover
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
535 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2006 : 08:53:06
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I remember sending my first email and getting the horn. I also remember searching for the muppets websites on one of my first visits, but I dont know why....
Kiss my ring...I am the greatest
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2006 : 14:05:59
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quote:
Originally posted by a guy in a rover
I remember sending my first email and getting the horn.
Kiss my ring...I am the greatest
With all that porn on here too.
I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
876 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2006 : 20:20:43
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Yeah, "The Black Vault", that was probably the first site I ever went to. I remember going there just about everyday, hoping for something new.
The second site was "Golden Showers from Golden Retrievers.com".
No, I'm just kidding. I swear I have no interest in urine porn or animal porn anymore. |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2006 : 10:31:54
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I guess it was probably in high school, probably around '96 or '97...I can remember using the old Macs we had in our graphic design class to look up lyrics to Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, and Pixies songs...I don't guess I ever used it a lot (except for research during the intervening years) until I actually GOT a computer, and that was 2002. I've been addicted ever since.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2006 : 10:42:57
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| First experience I don't remember (I do remember it being better than gopher or hypercards), but I do remember thinking "how the hell can anyone find anything on the web"? A few months later Yahoo opened up with their cool site of the day and they made alot of money. Google too. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 08/14/2006 : 13:11:31
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| i remeber being on there in 1996 b/c i was taking this technology course by this serious techie. i remember looking for pixies and not finding a page. within a month or so i remember finding tromple le monde's web site and one for the beastie boys. I am not sure if I remember this right, but it was so weird b/c there were no search engines the internet, you just had to know the address or follow links. there was this guy in my class that created his own home page... I was like wow that's so cool and all it really had was a picture of him and some info. myspace is more complex. |
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1738 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2006 : 16:06:48
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I think there were search engines when I used to look up lyrics in high school...but I don't think they were Google, Yahoo, etc...I honestly can't remember what they were. Open Text? Magellan? Go? I have no idea.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2006 : 17:03:37
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Altavista was an early one. I'm trying to remember if Archie was... Yahoo is one of the earliest ones that did a decent job.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5454 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2006 : 21:59:51
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| But Yahoo wasn't strictly a search engine. It was (is?) a menu. You had to go down the chain of categories to find what you might want. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2006 : 22:30:40
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Did they only do it by categories at first? I can't remember one way or the other... crazy if so.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself." |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2006 : 00:20:13
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It was a while until Yahoo had a search engine, other than searching within the listed categories.
I think Lycos was around pretty early but I vaguely remember something...I have the Canadian Internet Handbook, 1994 edition (415 pages, 8x4), let's see!
Regina Public Library...TCP/IP Basics...page 154-156 is a small subsection on the World Wide Web.
Ok let's try 1996 (871 pages, 9x7), Chapter 9 - The World Wide Web, 58 pages! A mention of Yahoo's random button, "This is a fun button - by pressing it, you are taken to one of the tens of thousands of locations listed on Yahoo."
"Full-Text Indices...A good example is the OpenText search system, based on software from the Canadian company OpenText Corporation...www.opentext.com."
Here's a list
www.opentext.com
http://lycos.cs.cmu.edu
www.webcrawler.com
www.infoseek.com (that's one I remember, became go!) |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2006 : 01:05:32
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I found this amusing, sorry if you find it too long.
From the Canadian Internet Handbook, 1994 Edition, Jim Carroll, Rick Broadhead, Prentice Hill Canada Inc., Scarborough Ontario, 1994. 415 pages. Pages 154-157.
World Wide Web
Like WAIS [Wide Area Information Server], World Wide Web servers link to information from throughout the Internet.
Rather than providing full text search of these resources, WWW (as it is known) provides a unique, "hypertext" method of accessing information. That is to say, each WWW screen, identifying resources or other information, includes pointers to other WWW screens, with some pointers eventually leading you to specific bits of information and knowledge.
Using WWW is a little like following a maze; you can take a lot of different turns, and each time you are not sure where you are going to end up.
WWW, like gopher, is an excellent tool to discover the full diversity of the Internet.
Sample WWW Session
To try out a World Wide Web server, we Telnet to info.cern.ch. No additional login is required.
After navigating a couple of screens that detail where to find more information about WWW, we are presented with an introductory screen.
[Screenshot of an archaic homepage with each link numbered. Because there was no mouse input, you pressed 1, 2, 3 to navigate the links.]
Note that the WWW screen includes numbers next to each item. As you dig further into WWW, you will find that complete sentences contain a variety of numbers, each of which points to a different Internet resource.
In effect, information within WWW is cross-linked to other information sources, using what is called Hypertext technology. If we take a look at the following screen (from somewhere within WWW), we can see that there are a variety of references within a single sentence to different resources.
[Screenshot]
Organization of WWW Information
From our "entry point" into WWW, we can choose to view by topic area:
[Screenshot]
or by service type (i.e., FTP, WAIS, etc.):
[Screenshot]
The examples above show World Wide Web in its most basic form, when accessed from a simple terminal program. Programs are already available on a number of platforms which present a more friendlier way to view WWW resources, as discussed at the conclusion to this chapter.
World Wide Web is another example of how Internet resources and the Internet itself will continue to evolve, making it easier for participants to locate information scattered throughout the world.
[The end of the chapter has a section on NCSA Mosaic.]
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