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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 07/08/2006 : 20:16:22
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For some reason, I am really looking forward to seeing this movie. On the surface it looks like another typical action flick, and I'm certain it will have an overabundance of fast car chases, loose women and drug cartels. But, it has one thing going for it: it's director. I love Michael Mann. My favorite of his movies by far has got to be "Heat." If he can bring in any of the drama and emotion of that movie to "Miami Vice" it will be good. From the looks of it we will see Sonny sexing it up with the ladies, and Tubbs has some one-liners in the trailers. But, fortunately the movie doesn't look to be simply a parody of the original show, like "Starsky & Hutch" and "Dukes of Hazzard."
Any thoughts?
Incidentally, Michael Mann was the executive producer of the "Miami Vice" television series from '85-'89.
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jimmy
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 07/08/2006 : 23:25:32
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I can't think of anything he's directed besides "Manhunter", and I didn't see all of that but, except for some parts that seem dated now, it had a good style and semed pretty well-made. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/09/2006 : 10:00:13
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Mann has directed a lot of good movies...Heat, The Insider, Collateral. I wasn't too interested in this until I realised he was actually directing.
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2006 : 10:51:04
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2006 : 11:37:12
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jimmy: He directed "Ali," "Last of the Mohicans" and "the Insider" to name a few.
Carl: Yeah, that's my take on it, too.
tobafett: Nah, it's got Colin Farrell and Jamie Foxx as Crockett and Tubbs, and it's not set in the 80's, it takes place today...I think they've just taken the cool ideas from the original show and incorporated them into the movie. Hopefully no sneakers sans socks and pink t-shirts. And, hopefully, no Don Johnson music either! (i.e. "Heartbeat...)
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2006 : 15:19:50
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Originally posted by tobafett
I've not seen the trailer yet...are they wearing pink tee shirts and suits with sneakers with no socks?
One can only hope, my good man.
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2006 : 19:12:29
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 07/10/2006 : 00:20:11
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Yep, same as everyone. Michael Mann is cool (haven't seen Ali though)
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2006 : 08:23:04
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I am a fan of this show...we used to actually stay home Friday night's to watch this in high school. Why the FUCK did Mann remake his own show, and not have it set in the 80's?! It makes no sense, and Colin Farrel is the worst fucking actor. Fuck this movie.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 07/10/2006 : 09:11:58
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the marketing for this film is horrible. i can see how a MIAMI VICE movie might actually be cool, but the ads are making me not want to see it.
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur |
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2006 : 09:52:58
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Originally posted by floop
the marketing for this film is horrible. i can see how a MIAMI VICE movie might actually be cool, but the ads are making me not want to see it.
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur
Agreed. Even the trailers aren't interesting.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/10/2006 : 11:13:53
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Having checked out the teaser and main trailer, I'd guess it'll be either sort-of okay in a crappy way, or pretty good for what it is. It really has that typical Michael Mann look!!
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 01:41:54
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Who does the trailers for movies? When I'm interested in a movie I always take care of avoiding the trailers for it. My fave movie of 2006 (The New World) had the worst trailer ever.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 06:59:38
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trailers are almost always done by outside companies that have nothing to do with the movie at all. the marketing department, and people working at the trailer houses are the ones who make the trailers. the writer, producer, directors usually have no control how the trailer will look, no matter how bad they might be.
sometimes they're good though
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 10:41:35
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I hope this doesn't just end up like a Bad Boys 3.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 12:14:41
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Yeah, I was able to look past the bullshit hype that exuded from the trailer to this film, what with the Jay-Z/Linkin Park song and all, because of Michael Mann's involvement. I wonder what songs the trailer for "Heat" used?
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 13:37:46
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Originally posted by glacial906
Yeah, I was able to look past the bullshit hype that exuded from the trailer to this film, what with the Jay-Z/Linkin Park song and all, because of Michael Mann's involvement. I wonder what songs the trailer for "Heat" used?
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HEAT trailers used the Moby version of God Moving Over The Face Of The Waters.
I just feel why remake something and reinvent it entirely? That's Oliver Stone territory...not Michael Mann. It's like Michael Mann himself turning HEAT into a TV series ten years from now, and having it take place in 2016. It's just...wrong. CRIME STORY (another Mann helmed tv vehicle) ultimately failed because it tried to put the 80's in the 60's.
MIAMI VICE belongs in the 80's. Even when it was current, it never hesitated to be aware that it belonged NOWHERE else than in the 80's.
Eww! It calls to mind I SPY! What a cool show...grew up on it. Why the heck did they even TRY to resurrect it?
MIAMI VICE is better on the small screen, etched now into DVD, with none other than Don Johnson, Philip Michael Thomas, and a shitload of pastel colored blazers. And no socks.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 14:22:36
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Originally posted by glacial906
Yeah, I was able to look past the bullshit hype that exuded from the trailer to this film, what with the Jay-Z/Linkin Park song and all, because of Michael Mann's involvement. I wonder what songs the trailer for "Heat" used?
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Yeah I heard that shite music before on the trailer. Not a good sign.
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 16:26:57
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Originally Posted by TRANSMARINE
I just feel why remake something and reinvent it entirely? That's Oliver Stone territory...not Michael Mann. It's like Michael Mann himself turning HEAT into a TV series ten years from now, and having it take place in 2016. It's just...wrong. CRIME STORY (another Mann helmed tv vehicle) ultimately failed because it tried to put the 80's in the 60's.
"Heat" was a remake of "L.A. Takedown," a made-for-tv movie also penned and directed by Mann in the '80's.
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 16:48:43
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Originally posted by glacial906
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Originally Posted by TRANSMARINE
I just feel why remake something and reinvent it entirely? That's Oliver Stone territory...not Michael Mann. It's like Michael Mann himself turning HEAT into a TV series ten years from now, and having it take place in 2016. It's just...wrong. CRIME STORY (another Mann helmed tv vehicle) ultimately failed because it tried to put the 80's in the 60's.
"Heat" was a remake of "L.A. Takedown," a made-for-tv movie also penned and directed by Mann in the '80's.
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Hmmm...true.
But it is far from remembered. And there was nothing remotely familiar in mass audience minds of L.A. Takedown to even link the two together other than perhaps side-note mentions in reviews. And a 90 minute unrecalled tv movie turned big budget film as opposed to a groundbreaking 6 year tv series turned film is the sickness I have over it. There obviously was points in L.A. Takedown which stuck with Mann...ideas not satisfied...thus the fully realized treatment of HEAT. So is Miami Vice the Series now something Mann has realized he was not satisfied with, and is going to re-realize it for a movie screen?
Don't get me wrong...I like Michael Mann and have for a long time...the INSIDER is a magnificent film. MANHUNTER is worlds better than SILENCE OF THE LAMBS (Brian Cox is much creepier than Hopkins). Blah blah blah. But this MIAMI VICE is like Orson Welles remaking his CITIZEN KANE. Why? Why? Why?
The whole thing is just messy.
And the worse thing is that I KNOW I'll be there opening night. Go figure.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 17:24:01
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
MIAMI VICE belongs in the 80's. Even when it was current, it never hesitated to be aware that it belonged NOWHERE else than in the 80's.
It's kind of disappointing that the movie isn't set in that period.
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 17:28:36
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Originally posted by Carl
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
MIAMI VICE belongs in the 80's. Even when it was current, it never hesitated to be aware that it belonged NOWHERE else than in the 80's.
It's kind of disappointing that the movie isn't set in that period.
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That's my whole point.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 17:35:43
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i think you guys all bring up valid arguments, but the thing that bothers me the most is that it's not set in the 80's
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 17:37:29
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Yes, I agree. And also, it's not set between 1979-1990.
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tobafett
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 22:41:37
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i'm concerned about the socks. i bet these new boys are wearing socks.
supposed to look like this fellas:
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 23:02:05
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
MIAMI VICE belongs in the 80's. Even when it was current, it never hesitated to be aware that it belonged NOWHERE else than in the 80's.
That's crazy. Funny, but crazy. As though Miami Vice were some kind of clairvoyant, sentient entity that knew that one day it would be out-of-date...beloved to some, yes, and watched by many in syndication, but ultimately without a place in the new millenium
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/11/2006 : 23:02:39
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
MIAMI VICE belongs in the 80's. Even when it was current, it never hesitated to be aware that it belonged NOWHERE else than in the 80's.
That's crazy. Funny, but crazy. As though Miami Vice were some kind of clairvoyant, sentient entity that knew that one day it would be out-of-date...beloved to some, yes, and watched by many in syndication, but ultimately without a place in the new millenium
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/12/2006 : 08:29:46
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Well, just look at it! How many other shows really really reflect the moment they existed in, while simultaneously attempting to do just that? The show was all style, fashion, looks, sound, and shock (with an undercurrent of rehashed 70's tv cop plot-lines, which didn't really matter, and mostly they made no sense). Each week it would strive to hit us over the head with the fact this was the 1980's.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/12/2006 : 08:38:57
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This was always on in my house as a child, the opening credits with the kind-of mardi gras parade and speedboats and thumping music always sticks in the brain! There was an episode called Home invaders, I think, that started with an elderly couple waking up in the middle of the night to find two masked thugs robbing them, that scared the shit out of me. I had that, Close Encounters and Whitley Strieber's Communion aliens to thank for many a sleepless night as a little 'un!! ;D
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glacial906
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/12/2006 : 17:12:16
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Originally posted by TRANSMARINE
Well, just look at it! How many other shows really really reflect the moment they existed in, while simultaneously attempting to do just that? The show was all style, fashion, looks, sound, and shock (with an undercurrent of rehashed 70's tv cop plot-lines, which didn't really matter, and mostly they made no sense). Each week it would strive to hit us over the head with the fact this was the 1980's.
Hank the 8th was a duplicated man
-bRIAN
Hehe, yeah, I know what you mean.
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Carl
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/31/2006 : 08:10:26
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OK.........I take EVERYTHING back.
This movie was fucking incredible!
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 07/31/2006 : 08:25:48
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Good news. I read some blurb on imdb this morning that said critics were disappointed because the movie had little in common with the series. Uh... did anyone really want to see some Starsky & Hutch type of crap poking fun at the 80s?
<<"The TV series was noted for pastel color schemes, Don Johnson's narcissistic slickness and Philip Michael Thomas' piercing-eyed charisma," writes Philip Wuntch in the Dallas Morning News.>> Are you fucking kidding me?
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 07/31/2006 : 08:48:28
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"Fucking incredible?" Are you kidding?!?!
It was one of the worst movies I've ever seen in theatres to the point that three of the four of us would've walked out if the fourth hadn't been passably amused and we there at his invitation. For a while it was sort of funny that dialogue would just transition to sex back and forth by a painfully cliched meeting of the eyes and changing of music. Then it got annoying. The battle at the end, before they went out, the painful conversation was to me the crux of the movie. Talk about action and tease as much as possible first.
The sex scenes were barely that. The action scenes were mostly uninteresting (except the trailer break-in, which alone brought the movie from 0 out of 10 to maybe 2). So much of the movie had so little to do with anything (the initial and drawn out scene in the nightclub at the beginning of the movie has NO ties to anything). I didn't really care about a single one of the characters. So many things were left unresolved anyway, that it's just as well.
The only vice here was that I went and paid to see this.
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/31/2006 : 09:21:02
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"Fucking incredible?" Are you kidding?!?!
So much of the movie had so little to do with anything (the initial and drawn out scene in the nightclub at the beginning of the movie has NO ties to anything). I didn't really care about a single one of the characters. So many things were left unresolved anyway, that it's just as well.
"No man remains quite what he was when he recognizes himself."
This was the core of the Miami Vice series stripped down to the moody, atmospheric, and surreal sterile Michael Mann logic. The series didn't make much sense...minimalist storylines which picked up in the middle of this and jarringly transferred to that, and didn't care if you followed it or not...but somehow it would reel you along. I was totally impressed...and with Mann (especially Miami Vice), the characters aren't always the story. The story isn't even the story. It's the souless decadence of the landscapes and juxtaposed emotions of architecture and beautiful violence...the beauty of cars and boats and planes on way, water and wing controlled by halved and mysterious men. Hightened reality of cops and robbers in a dead twilight zone of neon, black, and opaque internal communication that rarely let's the viewer into their thought process, which can be aggravating but, at least to me, intriguing. Mann's world of male engineering, both emotional and mental, has never been as frustratingly hidden or as frightfully exciting. I liked it a lot.
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 07/31/2006 : 09:39:34
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I admit that you make a compelling argument for mood and using the characters and events to paint a scene rather than tell a story, I guess the scene painted didn't really engage me or seem like it had much to offer that hadn't been painted many times before. I did get the sense that style was the focal point of their energies rather than substance, from perpetual thunder to midnight approaches into Miami to the gritty reel used for most of the stuff in Latin America. But again, I think you can use all those stylistic devices to paint a picture and still have characters that are engaging and interesting and a story that is exciting or dramatic or at least not disjointed.
I never watched the series, perhaps that was part of my problem, but if this is true to form then I suppose good on them. My arguments against would be levelled equally on the series then as well.
Positive note: I enjoyed the flights.
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