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Broken Face
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 Posted - 06/21/2006 : 21:02:16
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Ok folks, here starts the massive task of trying to pin down as much about these tracks as possible. I've done some of the preliminary work, but this is a team effort.
Let's start by pinning down in which session each track was recorded in. This will help us narrow down who played on each track. Here is my list, which i'm sure is flawed somehow. All songs/persons marked with a question mark is a pure guess on my part. Anyone with info, please step in!
Better Songs and Gardens (Honeycomb Sessions April 2004):
Songs:
Highway to Lowdown
Kiss My Ring
Where TheWind Is Going
Fare Thee Well
Players:
Frank Black - vocals, guitar
Billy Block - drums
Steve Cropper - guitar
David Hood - bass
Ellis Hooks - backing vocals
Buddy Miller - guitar
Spooner Oldham - keyboards
Akil Thompson - drums
Chester Thompson - drums
Jon Tiven - harmonica
Reggie Young - guitar
Recorded by Dan Penn
The Cowboy Arms Hotel and Recording Spa (All Night Session, October 7, 2004):
Songs:
If Your Poison Gets You
Fast Man
Wanderlust
Seven Days
End of the Summer
Dog Sleep
When the Paint Grows Darker Still
I’m Not Dead (I’m in Pittsburgh)
Golden Shore
Down to You
Holland Town
Players:
Bob Babbitt - Bass
Bobby Bare, Jr. - Backing Vocals
Frank Black - Vocals, Guitar, Ukelele
Billy Block - Drums
Jack Clement - Dobro, Backing Vocals
Steve Cropper - Guitar
Rich Duvall - Backing Vocals
Levon Helm - Drums
Lyle Workman - Guitar
Ellis Hooks - Backing Vocals
Wayne Jackson - Trumpet, Trombone, Fluegelhorn
Mark Jordan - Keyboards
Simon Kirke - Drums, Percussion
Al Kooper - Organ
Ian McLagan - Keyboards
Tom Petersson - Bass
P.F. Sloan - Backing Vocals
Billy Swan - Backing Vocals
Planet Swan - Backing Vocals
Sierra Swan - Backing Vocals
Jon Tiven - Alto Saxophone, Guitar, Percussion, Piano, Backing Vocals
All songs arranged by Lyle Workman
Nashville III (October 2005):
Songs:
You Can’t Crucify Yourself
Elijah
Fitzgerald
Dirty Old Town
My Terrible Ways
Johnny Barleycorn
Sad Old World
Players:
Frank Black - Vocals, Guitar, Ukelele
Billy Block - Drums
Marty Brown - Bass, Backing Vocals (Duet Vocal on "Dirty Old Town")
Steve Cropper - Guitar
Rich Gilbert - Pedal Steel Guitar
David Hood - Bass
Jack Kidney - Harmonica, Tenor Sax
Buddy Miller - Guitar
Spooner Oldham - Keyboards
Jon Tiven - Guitar, Percussion, Piano, Backing Vocals
Brooks Watson - Backing Vocals
Reggie Young - Guitar
Jon Tiven’s House (September 2005):
Songs:
Raider Man
Players:
Frank Black - Vocals, Guitar
Duane Jarvis - Guitar
FBLA (January 2006):
Songs:
In The Time of My Ruin
It’s Just Not Your Moment
The Real El Ray
Don't Cry That Way
Players:
Frank Black - Vocals, Guitar
Violet Clark-Thompson - Backing Vocals
Steve Ferrone - Drums
Duane Jarvis - Guitar
Carol Kaye - Bass, Guitar
Jim Keltner - Drums
Dave Philips - Pedal Steel Guitar
P.F. Sloan - Piano
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Now I'm going to start a section for each song, where eventually Tre can just dump all this song info into the Discopedia, but until it is confirmed, we'll keep it here. Also, please post all non-recording info in Tre's DB thread. This is just to get the recording liner notes perfect, not the lyrics or the stories behind the songs.
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CD 1
1. If Your Poison Gets You
Recorded October 7, 2004
Arranged by Lyle Workman
Billy Block - Drums
Levon Helm - Drums
Simon Kirke - Tambourine
Jon Tiven - Alto Saxophone
Frank Black - Vocals
2. Johnny Barleycorn
Recorded October 2005
Frank Black - Vocals
Billy Block - Drums, Backing Vocals
Marty Brown - Backing Vocals
Jack Kidney - Tenor Saxophone
Buddy Miller - Backing Vocals
Spooner Oldham - Backing Vocals
Brooks Watson - Backing Vocals
3. Fast Man
Recorded October 7, 2004
Arranged by Lyle Workman
Frank Black - Vocals
P.F. Sloan - Backing Vocals
4. You Can't Crucify Yourself
Recorded October 2005
Frank Black - Vocals
Billy Block - Drums
Jack Kidney - Harmonica
5. Dirty Old Town
Recorded October 2005
Written by Ewan MacCall
Frank Black - Vocals
Billy Block - Drums
Marty Brown - Vocals, Bass
Buddy Miller - Guitar
6. Wanderlust
Recorded October 7, 2004
Arranged by Lyle Workman
Frank Black - Vocals
Jon Tiven - Slide Guitar
7. Seven Days
Recorded October 7, 2004
Arranged by Lyle Workman
Frank Black - Vocals
Wayne Jackson - Trumpet
Jon Tiven - Alto Sax
8. Raider Man
Recorded September 2005
Frank Black - Vocals, Guitar
Duane Jarvis - Guitar
9. The End of the Summer
Recorded October 7, 2004
Arranged by Lyle Workman
Adapted from "Le Sicilienne" by Gabriel Faure
Frank Black - Vocals
Billy Swan - Backing Vocals
Planet Swan - Backing Vocals
Sierra Swan - Backing Vocals
10. Dog Sleep
Recorded October 7, 2004
Arranged by Lyle Workman
Written by Frank Black and Reid Paley
Frank Black - Vocals, Ukelele
Bob Babbitt - Bass
Billy Block - Drums
Levon Helm - Drums
Wayne Jackson - Trombone
Ian McLagan - Keyboards
Tom Petersson - Bass
Lyle Workman - Guitar
11. When The Paint Grows Darker Still
Recorded October 7, 2004
Arranged by Lyle Workman
Frank Black - Vocals
12. I'm Not Dead (I'm In Pittsburgh)
Recorded October 7, 2004
Arranged by Lyle Workman
Written by Frank Black and Reid Paley
Frank Black - Vocals, Guitar
13. Golden Shore
Recorded October 7, 2004
Arranged by Lyle Workman
Written by Frank Black and Reid Paley
Frank Black - Vocals
Jack Clement - Dobro, Backing Vocals
CD 2
1. In The Time Of My Ruin
Recorded January 2006
Duane Jarvis - Guitar
P.F. Sloan - Piano
Jim Keltner - Drums
Carol Kaye - Bass
Dave Philips - Pedal Steel Guitar
Frank Black - Vocals
2. Down To You
Recorded October 7, 2004
Arranged by Lyle Workman
Written By Frank Black and Reid Paley
Frank Black - Vocals
3. Highway To Lowdown
Recorded April 2004
Frank Black - Vocals
Anton Fig - Drums
4. Kiss My Ring
Recorded April 2004
Frank Black - Vocals
Spooner Oldham - Keyboards
5. My Terrible Ways
Recorded October 2005
Frank Black - Vocals
Billy Block - Drums
David Hood - Bass
Buddy Miller - Guitar
6. Fitzgerald
Recorded October 2005
Frank Black - Vocals
Billy Block - Drums
Jack Kidney - Harmonica
Spooner Oldham - Keyboards
7. Elijah
Recorded October 2005
Frank Black - Vocals
Billy Block - Drums
Rich Gilbert - Pedal Steel Guitar
David Hood - Bass
Jack Kidney - Harmonica
8. It's Just Not Your Moment
Recorded January 2006
Frank Black - Vocals, Guitar
Violet Clark-Thompson - Backing Vocals
Steve Ferrone - Drums
Duane Jarvis - Guitar
Carol Kaye - Bass
Dave Philips - Pedal Steel Guitar
P.F. Sloan - Piano
9. The Real El Rey
Recorded January 2006
Frank Black - Vocals, Guitar
Steve Ferrone - Drums
Duane Jarvis - Guitar
Carol Kaye - Bass
Dave Philips - Pedal Steel Guitar
P.F. Sloan - Piano
10. Where The Wind Is Going
Recorded April 2004
Frank Black - Vocals, Guitar
Steve Cropper - Guitar
David Hood - Bass
Spooner Oldham - Keyboards
Akil Thompson - Drums
Reggie Young - Guitar
11. Holland Town
Recorded October 7, 2004
Arranged by Lyle Workman
Frank Black - Vocals, Ukelele
12. Sad Old World
Recorded October 2005
Frank Black - Vocals
Billy Block - Drums
Rich Gilbert - Pedal steel guitar
David Hood - Bass
Jack Kidney - Tenor saxophone
Spooner Oldham - Keyboards
13. Don't Cry That Way
Recorded January 2006
Frank Black - Vocals, Guitar
Duane Jarvis - Guitar
Carol Kaye - Bass, Arpeggio Guitar
Jim Keltner - Drums
Dave Philips - Pedal Steel Guitar
P.F. Sloan - Piano
14. Fare Thee Well
Recorded October 2004
Traditional, Arranged by Frank Black
Frank Black - Vocals
-Brian - http://bvsrant.blogspot.com |
Edited by - Broken Face on 09/07/2006 11:15:22 |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 06/22/2006 : 00:11:43
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Great work, Brian. You should add the instruments next to the musicians' names. What else to add...
* Oct. 2004 session: it's said it took place between the Pixies gig in Nashville and Tampa. Nashville was on Oct. 6th and Tampa on Oct. 8th, so the session was on the 7th.
* Lyle Workman is credited on the guitar, I guess for the Oct '04 session.
* About the LA session it's said "A birthday party for Black in L.A. triggers the last four tracks." Who knows which are these 4 songs though.
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vilainde
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Posted - 06/22/2006 : 02:12:28
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So I browsed through Tiven's posts. That was long and tedious but I found some tidbits of info:
* Where The Wind Is Going: "was from the last day of the HONEYCOMB sessions with Cropper and Reggie Young on guitars, Spooner on keys, David Hood on bass, and I believe Akil Thompson on drums (although my memory does play tricks on me and it could have been his dad Chester)."
* "'Fare Thee Well' was remixed in Chicago, likewise 'Kiss My Ring' and 'Highway To Lowdown." But not 'Where The Wind', that's the Nashville mix."
Dogsleep: "is from the sessions at Jack's a few months later, and it's Levon Helm and Billy Block on drums, Bob Babbitt and Tom Petersson on basses, Ian McLagan on keys, mostly Lyle on guitar but there could be a little Cropper & Duane Jarvis creeping in, Wayne Jackson on trombone, and Frank Black on vocals and a taste of the ukelele." "That's Lyle playing the guitar solo at the end."
* If Your Poison Gets You: "Drums is actually a combination of Levon Helm and Billy Block, with Simon Kirke on tambourine. And lonely persuader, that's me on alto sax."
* In The Time Of My Ruin: "Duane Jarvis-gtr, P.F. Sloan-piano, Jim Keltner-drums, Carol Kaye-bass, Dave Phillips-pedal steel, Frank Black-vocals."
* "End of last year I convinced P.F. to make a new album, which I produced, which includes several old songs as well as a bunch of new ones. As I was doing it I was at the same time finishing off mixes of FASTMANRAIDERMAN, and corralled P.F. to sing harmonies on "Fast Man," which turned out beautifully."
* LA Session: "So we have Keltner and Ferrone each on two tracks. Kaye, Sloan, Jarvis, and a pedal steel player our artist brought who y'all may be familiar with named Dave Phillips playing on all four."
Denis
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/22/2006 : 06:36:38
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This is very helpful, thanks! I wish I could be of some assistance, but I'm afraid I don't know a damn thing about this stuff.
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 06/22/2006 : 07:14:37
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Well done, gents!
 "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." |
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Carl
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Posted - 06/22/2006 : 07:44:29
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Wow, that's great research! The pics are great, too!
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/22/2006 : 12:51:12
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Perhaps I can be of some assistance, afterall. Since Jack Clement is the only dobro player listed and "Golden Shore" has a dobro in it, that would probably mean Mr. Clement plays the dobro in that song, and probably provides backing vocals as well.
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Broken Face
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Frog in the Sand
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Posted - 06/22/2006 : 13:05:24
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Great job guys. So, apparently the 4 songs that were recorded in LA are "In the Time", "It's Just Not", "Sad Old World" and "Don't Cry That Way"?...
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Broken Face
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Posted - 06/22/2006 : 13:07:06
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Well, i know for certain that "In the TIme" and "Its Just Not" were. And by tone/deduction, i think the other two are "The Real El Eay" and "Sad Old World." "Don't Cry..." sounds more Nashville to me.
-Brian - http://bvsrant.blogspot.com |
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Frog in the Sand
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Posted - 06/22/2006 : 13:16:03
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Oh. Yes. The Real El Rey. You're certainly right.
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 06/22/2006 : 13:20:38
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I'd have to say that Dog Sleep, Johnny Barleycorn, and a lot of disc 1 was in LA, but could be wrong...
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." |
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Broken Face
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Posted - 06/22/2006 : 13:29:55
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I'm pretty sure its not for two reasons Dean. #1 - the tracklisting for disc 1 was leaked in late January 06, less than a month after the LA recording sessions. I think that turnaround is a bit too quick. #2 - there is clearly Baritone sax and trombone on those two tracks, and Wayne Jackson is only (apparently) playing on the 24 hour marathon session. Ditto for Lyle's guitar solo on "Dog Sleep" - Lyle wasn't present in L.A.
-Brian - http://bvsrant.blogspot.com |
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 06/22/2006 : 13:37:58
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Hmm... well put. I think they could turn it around that fast, but the Lyle solo is a good argument.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." |
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fbc
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Posted - 06/22/2006 : 14:54:34
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| (I've been told) Billy Block, Spooner Oldham, Marty Brown and Brooks Waton (house engineer) sang back up for Johnny Barleycorn's chorus, at The Cowboy Arms Hotel. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 06/22/2006 : 19:36:16
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| thank you everyone for this thread and all the other awesome stuff you put together. this is great, the photos are great. thanks one and all!!!!!!! |
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Jontiven
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Posted - 06/23/2006 : 04:15:07
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I can confirm the 4 LA tracks are Don't Cry, Moment, ruin, and El Ray.
I only play alto sax on "If Your Poison," by the way.
Glad y'all are diggin it. Thanks.
bye,
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Ziggy
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Posted - 06/23/2006 : 04:38:35
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| Yeah, fascinating info, great to see people working together on this. |
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Frog in the Sand
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Posted - 06/23/2006 : 04:46:10
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Thanks Jon. I like your production, especially on the October '04 and '05 sessions. Imho it's livelier and less ethereal than on HC.
Brian, looks like we were both right (or wrong) :)
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Frog in the Sand
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Posted - 06/23/2006 : 04:54:05
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Btw, I wonder when / where "Sad Old World" was recorded?...
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PowerSurge
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Posted - 06/23/2006 : 05:58:37
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| You guys are ambitious, but your efforts are appreciated. |
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fbc
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Posted - 06/23/2006 : 08:20:39
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| Jon, is there any chance you can name Barleycorn's backing singers, please (for the love of this thread and my curiosity)? |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/23/2006 : 10:15:35
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Is the second bass in "Dog Sleep" that enters on the line "gettin' that dog sleep..." a contrabass or an electric bass? It's got that really thick sound that makes me think it's a contrabass.
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Daisy Girl
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Posted - 06/23/2006 : 16:08:29
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| Thanks for putting this together. Did I read in another thread the lyrics and meanings of the songs?? if so, where is it?? thanks. |
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Jontiven
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Posted - 06/23/2006 : 19:24:00
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All the bass is electric, Dogsleep has two bassists, Bob Babbitt and Tom Petersson.
Backgrounds on Johnny B are Marty Brown, Billy Block, and I think Buddy Miller's in there as well.
I forgot that I'm playing alto on "Seven Days" as well as the section with Wayne Jackson.
"Sad Old World" was cut Oct 05 with Reggie, Cropp & Buddy et al.
I will consult with Big Boss Man and see if he'd object to me putting my semi-complete credits up.
Keep up the good work, lads and lassies.
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fbc
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Posted - 06/24/2006 : 03:33:21
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| (Thanks for the reply, JT. I hope you can fill in more of the blanks) |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/24/2006 : 08:55:10
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Mr. Tiven, thanks for clearing that up. Another question about "Dog Sleep": apparently, according to the above credits, there are two drum sets on that one. It sounds to my ears like it might be one drummer on the left and the other one on the right. Is that correct? If so, which drummer is which?
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NimrodsSon
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Posted - 06/24/2006 : 09:05:02
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Nevermind, I've concluded that theory is likely incorrect.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 06/27/2006 : 06:08:33
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We're a bit stuck here. Just 2-3 thoughts I had:
* Dave Philips plays pedal steel on all 4 songs from the LA Session.
* It's Just Not Your Moment has female background vocals, that can only be Mrs Thompson-Clark.
* What does a mandoguitar sound like? And a ukulele? There's a strange sounding instrument on Holland Town, not sure it's an actual guitar.
* Also, I hear more than 2 guitars on Raider Man. Was there anyone else playing besides Frank and Duane, or did they do overdubs?
Denis
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Broken Face
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Posted - 06/27/2006 : 08:00:21
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A mandoguitar sounds like a combo between (shock shock) a mandolin and a guitar - i don't hear one in the mix, but i also haven't really focused on it yet. I think there must have been overdubs on "Raiderman" and good call on the Violet and Dave Philips thing. Also, listening to "The End of the Summer" i've discovered i'm pretty sure that is where the Swan family is singing. I'll add all this in soon.
-Brian - http://bvsrant.blogspot.com |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 17:41:14
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Major bumb! Shouldn't this be stickied?!
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Broken Face
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/29/2006 : 10:59:26
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Commendations for this Broken. For weeks I've had the printed version of this topmost on a clipboard which has made many trips back and forth from my sound system to my PC. Very valuable. Thank you.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 07/30/2006 : 08:45:03
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Yeah, listening to the album I was going 'Who's playing on what?' Thanks again, BF.
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callahan
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Posted - 08/01/2006 : 15:21:16
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Incredible! Thank you for doing all that work!
I passed a cow and the cow was brown. My pyjamas clung to me like a shroud! Like a shroud! |
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Broken Face
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USA
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Posted - 08/28/2006 : 06:12:36
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I just cleaned up a few things - i'm hoping that perhaps now that we've all had longer to absorb the album we could get this back up and moving.
-Brian - http://bvsrant.blogspot.com |
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Fast Man Raider Man Extended Liner Notes
