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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 06/15/2006 : 08:58:36
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Originally posted by Erebus
I'll take Bush over anything the Dems have offered since Harry Truman or maybe Kennedy.
Is the that "notoriously incompetent Bush administration" that you referred to yesterday?
Better to stumble toward the solution than to dance away from it.
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marcus4realius
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Posted - 06/15/2006 : 09:08:41
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"Clinton is a shithead." Ray Bradbury
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ScottP
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/15/2006 : 09:42:56
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Originally posted by Erebus
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I just hope our friends from other parts of the world realize that there are very few American citizens who support George W. Bush's absolutely embarrassing representation of this great country and it's people.
I think America might do better than be concerned about what the international community and the Democrats find embarrassing.
I'm satified with 66% of my country's citizens caring about the international community. I really don't classify people into political categories, either. People are much too complicated for that. This 66%, to me, represents folks who accept the fact that the world doesn't revolve around U.S. policy, or at least, are willing to try and understand that there are differences we can easily live with.
Bush seems like a person who is full of fear and weakness. His over-reacting to many situations is a solid indication of this. He's not much of an intellectual either. So, why do some support this? Possibly, the few that support him are afraid of being unpatriotic? Maybe they are inherently fearful as well? Either way, a 33% approval rating is nothing to be proud of and I'm glad most of my country feels this way. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2006 : 10:10:12
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Bush Apologizes to L.A. Times Reporter
By NEDRA PICKLER
The Associated Press
Wednesday, June 14, 2006; 8:22 PM
WASHINGTON -- President Bush, who often teases members of the White House press corps, apologized Wednesday after he poked fun at a reporter for wearing sunglasses without realizing they were needed for vision loss.
The exchange occurred at a news conference in the Rose Garden.
Bush called on Los Angeles Times reporter Peter Wallsten and asked if he was going to ask his question with his "shades" on.
"For the viewers, there's no sun," Bush said to the television cameras.
But even though the sun was behind the clouds, Wallsten still needs the sunglasses because he has Stargardt's disease, a form of macular degeneration that causes progressive vision loss. The condition causes Wallsten to be sensitive to glare and even on a cloudy day, can cause pain and increase the loss of sight.
Wallsten said Bush called his cell phone later in the day to apologize and tell him that he didn't know he had the disease. Wallsten said he interrupted and told the president that no apology was necessary and that he didn't feel offended since he hadn't told anyone at the White House about his condition.
"He said, `I needle you guys out of affection,'" Wallsten said. "I said, 'I understand that, but I don't want you to treat me any differently because of this.'"
Wallsten said the president said he would not treat him differently, so Wallsten encouraged him to "needle away."
"He said, `I will. Next time I'll just use a different needle,'" Wallsten said.
Wallsten said he thought that was a pretty good line. And his only complaint is that the president didn't answer his question at the news conference.
Wallsten, who is also author of a book coming out next month titled "One Party Country: The Republican Plan for Dominance in the 21st Century," had asked about White House credibility now in the aftermath of top aide Karl Rove having been cleared in the CIA leak investigation. But Bush said he wouldn't comment with another top White House aide still facing prosecution in the case.
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marcus4realius
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Posted - 06/15/2006 : 11:08:02
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Nice that he admits to the little inconsequential things.
He should try it on his real mistakes. |
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Carl
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Posted - 06/15/2006 : 11:41:34
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And let's not forget that Bush is verbally handicapped. Everbody takes the piss out of him for that, but nobody bats an eylid. ;)
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marcus4realius
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Posted - 06/15/2006 : 12:02:29
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Originally posted by Erebus
Bush Apologizes to L.A. Times Reporter
By NEDRA PICKLER
The Associated Press
Wednesday, June 14, 2006; 8:22 PM
WASHINGTON -- President Bush, who often teases members of the White House press corps, apologized Wednesday after he poked fun at a reporter for wearing sunglasses without realizing they were needed for vision loss.
The exchange occurred at a news conference in the Rose Garden.
Bush called on Los Angeles Times reporter Peter Wallsten and asked if he was going to ask his question with his "shades" on.
"For the viewers, there's no sun," Bush said to the television cameras.
But even though the sun was behind the clouds, Wallsten still needs the sunglasses because he has Stargardt's disease, a form of macular degeneration that causes progressive vision loss. The condition causes Wallsten to be sensitive to glare and even on a cloudy day, can cause pain and increase the loss of sight.
Wallsten said Bush called his cell phone later in the day to apologize and tell him that he didn't know he had the disease. Wallsten said he interrupted and told the president that no apology was necessary and that he didn't feel offended since he hadn't told anyone at the White House about his condition.
"He said, `I needle you guys out of affection,'" Wallsten said. "I said, 'I understand that, but I don't want you to treat me any differently because of this.'"
Wallsten said the president said he would not treat him differently, so Wallsten encouraged him to "needle away."
"He said, `I will. Next time I'll just use a different needle,'" Wallsten said.
Wallsten said he thought that was a pretty good line. And his only complaint is that the president didn't answer his question at the news conference.
Wallsten, who is also author of a book coming out next month titled "One Party Country: The Republican Plan for Dominance in the 21st Century," had asked about White House credibility now in the aftermath of top aide Karl Rove having been cleared in the CIA leak investigation. But Bush said he wouldn't comment with another top White House aide still facing prosecution in the case.
2500 DEAD American Soldiers
Hundreds of Thousands of Dead citizens of Iraq
Commander-in-chief plays goofy gus with the press.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2006 : 15:35:32
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Originally posted by marcus4realius
2500 DEAD American Soldiers
Hundreds of Thousands of Dead citizens of Iraq
Commander-in-chief plays goofy gus with the press.
Aren't you proud guys...aren't you beaming with American Pride!!!!!!
Certainly many us are proud of our people in uniform and, yes, even of the war leadership, but much less so of civilians generally, especially the antiwar movement and the press. It may surprise you to hear that I don’t regard myself as much of a patriot. I admit that I don’t see much in the world of politics and men to be proud of, but having said that, I can also say that when it comes to the grand scale, one of the few decent things in recent Western history is the way Bush and the American military has responded to the threat posed by the Islamofascists. I don’t expect you to understand that.
I truly believe that without the breadth and intensity of opinions such as those expressed by you above and elsewhere, the number of war dead would be less than half of what it is and the war itself would be much closer to victory, broadly defined. You guys are the best allies the Islamofascists could want. Without you, the enemy would have absoluteIy no chance of attaining its goals. I don’t suppose your reading of the day included this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/14/AR2006061402025.html
I wish I knew what has happened to Western culture. The best I can come up with is that the constant and pervasive propaganda that has been fed young people since the Vietnam War, via public schools and the media, has succeeded. The sixties liberals took their places across the domains of opinion formation and have unrelentingly spread their shallow, subversive social philosophies until we now find ourselves living in societies largely composed of moral cripples. In that, at least, our cultural enemies are right about the West, surely. The questions now are whether there are still enough men left to save you and whether you are worth saving. I feel for our young people in Iraq and elsewhere, for their deaths and suffering, but especially because they are aware that millions of their own people back home are daily doing everything they can to aid their enemies. This might be excusable if you had even the slightest idea regarding the fundamentals underlying the threats and challenges at hand, or if you could propose any sound alternative to the war, but you’ve got nothing beyond deluded hopes, angry words, and your impotent, corrupt United Nations.
It’s so frustrating to spend time trying to reach minds that increasing seem as though they reside in the bodies of an entirely separate species. I suppose I continue to try out of an attempt address the concerns of those who might be described as borderline cases, to help retain some of those on my side of the fence and perhaps even reach a few who are beginning to see what is going on in the world today. This is discouraging, so I must remind myself, and you, that, yes, I am proud of those thousands of humble human beings, so cavalierly dismissed as just a bunch of society’s losers, disproportionately from the ignorant American south, too stupid to get into a decent university, who at this very moment lie buried across our nation, or are eating hot dust, homesick on the other side of the globe, hurting inside at the thought that maybe half their nation has abandoned them, all the while wondering which of these approaching disciples of the religion of peace will be next to detonate a bomb strapped to his body.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 06/15/2006 : 15:40:44
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Originally posted by Erebus
It’s so frustrating to spend time trying to reach minds that increasing seem as though they reside in the bodies of an entirely separate species.
Yep. |
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 06:18:59
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>I just hope our friends from other parts of the world realize that there are very few American >citizens who support George W. Bush's absolutely embarrassing representation of this great country >and it's people.
Well, they say that you get the leaders you deserve. |
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marcus4realius
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 06:31:54
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by Erebus
It’s so frustrating to spend time trying to reach minds that increasing seem as though they reside in the bodies of an entirely separate species.
Yep.
Yeah, I agree it sounds like projecting to me too.
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marcus4realius
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 06:34:17
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by marcus4realius
2500 DEAD American Soldiers
Hundreds of Thousands of Dead citizens of Iraq
Commander-in-chief plays goofy gus with the press.
Aren't you proud guys...aren't you beaming with American Pride!!!!!!
Certainly many us are proud of our people in uniform and, yes, even of the war leadership, but much less so of civilians generally, especially the antiwar movement and the press. It may surprise you to hear that I don’t regard myself as much of a patriot. I admit that I don’t see much in the world of politics and men to be proud of, but having said that, I can also say that when it comes to the grand scale, one of the few decent things in recent Western history is the way Bush and the American military has responded to the threat posed by the Islamofascists. I don’t expect you to understand that.
I truly believe that without the breadth and intensity of opinions such as those expressed by you above and elsewhere, the number of war dead would be less than half of what it is and the war itself would be much closer to victory, broadly defined. You guys are the best allies the Islamofascists could want. Without you, the enemy would have absoluteIy no chance of attaining its goals. I don’t suppose your reading of the day included this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/14/AR2006061402025.html
I wish I knew what has happened to Western culture. The best I can come up with is that the constant and pervasive propaganda that has been fed young people since the Vietnam War, via public schools and the media, has succeeded. The sixties liberals took their places across the domains of opinion formation and have unrelentingly spread their shallow, subversive social philosophies until we now find ourselves living in societies largely composed of moral cripples. In that, at least, our cultural enemies are right about the West, surely. The questions now are whether there are still enough men left to save you and whether you are worth saving. I feel for our young people in Iraq and elsewhere, for their deaths and suffering, but especially because they are aware that millions of their own people back home are daily doing everything they can to aid their enemies. This might be excusable if you had even the slightest idea regarding the fundamentals underlying the threats and challenges at hand, or if you could propose any sound alternative to the war, but you’ve got nothing beyond deluded hopes, angry words, and your impotent, corrupt United Nations.
It’s so frustrating to spend time trying to reach minds that increasing seem as though they reside in the bodies of an entirely separate species. I suppose I continue to try out of an attempt address the concerns of those who might be described as borderline cases, to help retain some of those on my side of the fence and perhaps even reach a few who are beginning to see what is going on in the world today. This is discouraging, so I must remind myself, and you, that, yes, I am proud of those thousands of humble human beings, so cavalierly dismissed as just a bunch of society’s losers, disproportionately from the ignorant American south, too stupid to get into a decent university, who at this very moment lie buried across our nation, or are eating hot dust, homesick on the other side of the globe, hurting inside at the thought that maybe half their nation has abandoned them, all the while wondering which of these approaching disciples of the religion of peace will be next to detonate a bomb strapped to his body.
What the hell? Are you SERIOUSLY saying Liberals hate the troops and our Islamofacist sympathizers?? What tripe. What utter bullshit...how fucking dare you.
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 07:58:18
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by marcus4realius
2500 DEAD American Soldiers
Hundreds of Thousands of Dead citizens of Iraq
Commander-in-chief plays goofy gus with the press.
Aren't you proud guys...aren't you beaming with American Pride!!!!!!
Certainly many us are proud of our people in uniform and, yes, even of the war leadership, but much less so of civilians generally, especially the antiwar movement and the press. It may surprise you to hear that I don’t regard myself as much of a patriot. I admit that I don’t see much in the world of politics and men to be proud of, but having said that, I can also say that when it comes to the grand scale, one of the few decent things in recent Western history is the way Bush and the American military has responded to the threat posed by the Islamofascists. I don’t expect you to understand that.
I truly believe that without the breadth and intensity of opinions such as those expressed by you above and elsewhere, the number of war dead would be less than half of what it is and the war itself would be much closer to victory, broadly defined. You guys are the best allies the Islamofascists could want. Without you, the enemy would have absoluteIy no chance of attaining its goals. I don’t suppose your reading of the day included this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/14/AR2006061402025.html
I wish I knew what has happened to Western culture. The best I can come up with is that the constant and pervasive propaganda that has been fed young people since the Vietnam War, via public schools and the media, has succeeded. The sixties liberals took their places across the domains of opinion formation and have unrelentingly spread their shallow, subversive social philosophies until we now find ourselves living in societies largely composed of moral cripples. In that, at least, our cultural enemies are right about the West, surely. The questions now are whether there are still enough men left to save you and whether you are worth saving. I feel for our young people in Iraq and elsewhere, for their deaths and suffering, but especially because they are aware that millions of their own people back home are daily doing everything they can to aid their enemies. This might be excusable if you had even the slightest idea regarding the fundamentals underlying the threats and challenges at hand, or if you could propose any sound alternative to the war, but you’ve got nothing beyond deluded hopes, angry words, and your impotent, corrupt United Nations.
It’s so frustrating to spend time trying to reach minds that increasing seem as though they reside in the bodies of an entirely separate species. I suppose I continue to try out of an attempt address the concerns of those who might be described as borderline cases, to help retain some of those on my side of the fence and perhaps even reach a few who are beginning to see what is going on in the world today. This is discouraging, so I must remind myself, and you, that, yes, I am proud of those thousands of humble human beings, so cavalierly dismissed as just a bunch of society’s losers, disproportionately from the ignorant American south, too stupid to get into a decent university, who at this very moment lie buried across our nation, or are eating hot dust, homesick on the other side of the globe, hurting inside at the thought that maybe half their nation has abandoned them, all the while wondering which of these approaching disciples of the religion of peace will be next to detonate a bomb strapped to his body.
you indeed are a moron. |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 09:31:01
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erebus, while frequently you say things that make me want to highfive you, as days go by I find it harder and harder to tell the difference between you and the guys you carry so much bile about.
p.s. though I´m in agreement about the United Nations, the corrupt part anyway. I figure we´ve got a few more years of the US military duped into playing bad cop before the UN step in with a nice neat solution of a world government to make sure we uh never see such carnage again.
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speedy_m
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 09:36:19
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Either the liberals secretly took over in the 60s with pervasive propoganda, or the right wing did. It can't be both.
And further to Erebus' comments re: wetsern liberalism being an "ally" to Islamofacism; does that mean that the pacisfist monks of Tibet are in fact "allies" of the opressive powers that have abused them?
he's back jack smoking crack find him if you want to get found
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Newo
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 09:46:36
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Well the head of Pakistani intelligence service ICI, General Mahmoud Ahmad, was on an official visit with his CIA counterparts the week surrounding September 11 after he´d channelled funds to the hijackers, but that´d be an ally we´d have to disbelieve what we see on teevee to consider so uh yeah, monks, smoke em out.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 09:46:59
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I ask that the mods in this instance not enforce the "no personal insults" rule. I do not feel insulted, not in the least. Nor do I think this involves any threat to the broader civility of the forum. Passions will run high but we don't want to protect in such a way that makes it impossible to discuss highly controversial topics.
While I would say that many of those who are working hard against Bush and this war are indeed "sympathizers", most are merely this generation's version of what Stalin called "useful idiots". However, it is the latter who do more damage if only because the former are usually dismissed by the average citizen. But in any case, there can be no doubt that widespread opposition to the war, of both the rabid and ostensibly respectable varieties, is the best weapon in the Bin Laden arsenal.
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speedy_m
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 09:50:02
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All of the "useful idiots" who came out in droves to vote for Bush because they didn't want gays to get married are definitely on top of all the complex issues in the Middle East, I'm sure.
he's back jack smoking crack find him if you want to get found
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Newo
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 09:59:23
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Another usage of "useful idiot", the one I´m more familiar with, is to describe a thirdrate criminal protected by security services till he drives a truck laden with homemade explosive to a governmental building which black-op agents have rigged to detonate from the inside to the purpose of having a public begging for harsher legislation.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 10:10:00
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Originally posted by speedy_m
And further to Erebus' comments re: wetsern liberalism being an "ally" to Islamofacism; does that mean that the pacisfist monks of Tibet are in fact "allies" of the opressive powers that have abused them?
I think the analogy does not hold because the Chinese displaced a legitimate government whereas the same cannot be said of the invasion of Iraq. And in Iraq coalition forces are fighting an enemy that has tyrannical ambitions beyond the conflict at hand, but in Tibet it is the "oppressive powers" that are tyrannical. Both the monks in Tibet and the coalition forces in Iraq are on the side of freedom against tyranny and murder. Look at the elections in Iraq and at the general improvement of the condition of the Iraqi people. The American forces there are hardly oppressive and, despite all the absurd talk of "blood for oil", very much look forward to the day when they can leave Iraq. So, no, not all opposition to war is the same, just as all war is not the same.
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Newo
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 10:12:52
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erebus, have you been to Iraq?
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 10:26:03
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Originally posted by Erebus
I think the analogy does not hold because the Chinese displaced a legitimate government whereas the same cannot be said of the invasion of Iraq.
What is a legitimate government? Does it have to be a democracy to be legitimate? Because I can't see how Saddam's governmate wasn't legitimate. It was brutal, but certainly functioning. Or is legitimate just who like (i.e. Cuba, North Korea, and Iran aren't legitimate). |
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speedy_m
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 10:33:21
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By most political science definitions Saddam's government was not legitimate. It is generally considered that the people (vis-a-vis democracy) give a government legitimacy.
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speedy_m
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 10:39:18
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Taking this line of reasoning (and I belive it be sound) to an (perhaps) extreme, one could justify invading the US, based on the illegitimacy of the Bush adminstration following the election debacle of 2000. But then Bush is not guilty of killing his own people, like Saddam. Just people in other countries. Which is okay, because the ends justify the means. The ends being quieting a global terrorism threat and securing oil reserves. Correct if I'm wrong. And killing people slowing by encouraging a contiuned suburban, car-centric, sedentary lifestyle is okay because it's all in the name of the free market economy and the American way of life and do something subversively horrible over the long term is not as bad blowing up a building. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh hell, don't read my ramblings on this, read the ramblings of a professional: http://www.kunstler.com
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 10:40:49
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| I don't think Tibet was ever a democracy, thus the Chinese didn't overthrow a legitimate governmate. There needs to be a different term if "legitimate" requires democracy. |
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marcus4realius
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 10:42:14
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People like Erebus will be hoisted by their own petard.
I will say no more about it. |
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Newo
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 10:52:15
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When Germans found out what they´d supported in the name of protecting the homeland from tyranny, most of the petardhoisting was selfadministered.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 12:54:17
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Perhaps "legitimate" was not the best term, but all this is quite beside the point. The Palestinians presently have elected leadership that may be "legitimate" while otherwise being of little merit. I don't believe anyone here seriously doubts the soundness of my larger point to the effect that the analogy between opposition voices on Tibet and those on Iraq is fundamentally flawed.
I have never been to Iraq, but I take the question to suggest that I am wrong, or at least unqualified, to believe that conditions in Iraq are much better than they have been for a long time. For starters, I suggest you check these links out.
http://author.nationalreview.com/?q=MjE4OA==
http://www.kmax.ws/b/goodnewsiniraq.htm
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2005/20050704_1941.html
or go to ask.com to search for “good news in Iraq” or some similar phrase.
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ScottP
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 12:59:48
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Well, they say that you get the leaders you deserve.
I've never heard that saying. But it was surely made by an unhappy, bitter, asshole.
If you do the math regarding Bush's popularity ratings, nearly half of the people who voted for him would take their vote back today. They feel tricked, in other words. I doubt the citizens of Germany felt any different as Hitler's plan became obvious. Did they deserve him as a leader? No. They were simply tricked. The statement is arrogant, mean, and thoroughly invalid. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Canada
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 13:32:52
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Perhaps, but perhaps not. His second term has not been much different than his first and this trickery you speak of was apparent to even those from the most shallow part of the gene pool, but it was ignored, laughed at as "crackpot conspiracy theories" (by which I refer to WMD in Iraq as my example), and supported.
If you choose to ignore fact, you can't be surprised to learn you're living a fiction.
Actually, that came out sounding more harsh than I intended. I suppose we should live in a world where we don't have to question our government, our media, our ...
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VoVat
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 14:44:58
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Either the liberals secretly took over in the 60s with pervasive propoganda, or the right wing did. It can't be both.
I think it COULD be both. Not totally, mind you, but I'm sure mainstream thought today incorporates both right-wing and left-wing propaganda, or at least what would have been viewed as such back in the sixties. But then, in the sixties, black people drinking from the same water fountains as white people was considered a radical left-wing idea by a substantial number of Americans.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 14:52:57
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Originally posted by Erebus
Perhaps "legitimate" was not the best term, but all this is quite beside the point. The Palestinians presently have elected leadership that may be "legitimate" while otherwise being of little merit. I don't believe anyone here seriously doubts the soundness of my larger point to the effect that the analogy between opposition voices on Tibet and those on Iraq is fundamentally flawed.
I think you think toppling another government is "justified" if you don't like that government. Therefore, there is no moral (or legal) difference between attacking Tibet, Iraq, Palenstine, Israel, or Cuba. |
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a guy in a rover
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 15:07:14
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Erebus, while I respect everyone's right to political beliefs, I couldn't let this thread flow any longer without pointing out one simple flaw with your position as a Bush apologist.
The guy is fucking retarded. Okay, it has become hip to criticise him and jump on the Bush-baiting bandwagon (see Green Day) but unfortunately its one thing you cannot hide from, aside from anything to do with his war-mongering, his domestic/foreign policy, the economy, whatever, is that the guy acts like he has had a full frontal lobotomy. He has been making political satirists obselete since his election, the only President to be given his own phrase for his constant shit talking (Bushism). This is a man who has said, among other things
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., 5 August 2004
"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." —Saginaw, Mich., 29 September 2000 (referring to a dispute over Upper Klamath Lake)
"They misunderestimated me." —Bentonville, Arkansas, 6 November 2000
How you can say he is better than anything the Democrats have put forward is clearly horseshit.
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Newo
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 15:07:16
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It´s only difficult to envision the right and the left taking over together when you´re prone to sticking geographical coordinates on something as elusive as an opinion. How scientific!
Erebus, I guess grasping the situation in a country would, instead of us having a view refracted through the opinions of a bunch of journalists and spokesmen we´ve never even met, involve flying there, finding out how it smells and sitting down to dinner with some of the natives.
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Edited by - Newo on 06/16/2006 15:09:12 |
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Newo
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Posted - 06/16/2006 : 15:21:33
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I don´t feel it does any good to go assassinating Bush´s character though Roverguy, rich as the material is. He may be thick as a post but those who are making him talk are formidably intelligent (if not wise, I´d consider wisdom to be a blend of intelligence and compassion). Plus, check out his speeches as a governor ten years ago, he was a compelling public speaker. Fastforward to him stumbling and shuffling through an election "debate" ten years later would indicate some serious degeneration. I spose when you´re a governor you have to be on your toes and talk about locally important stuff whereas when you´re a puppet in front of 300 million you can just be wheeled out to slur some vague garbage about good versus evil.
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President Bush's Handicap Gaffe
