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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
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925 Posts |
 Posted - 04/20/2006 : 19:30:09
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I just got back from watching loudQuietloud at the Boston Independent Film Festival. My friend won 2 all access sponsor passes from a contest held by Zipcar, so my wife and I got to skip the line and see it for free!
Anyhow, it's f-ing fantastic! I was absolutely amazed by the candid footage they had. Conversations between Kelley and Kim, Joey's wife's sonogram, Frank with his wife and son at the Aquarium, David coping with the death of his Dad. The piece de la resistance was a shot of Frank doing a phone interview lying on a hotel bed in nothing but a pair of black Calvin Klein underwear. There was so much going on in their personal lives during the tour it's amazing that they pulled it off as well as they did.
The film does a great job balancing live footage with the behind the scenes stuff, although I can't ever stand shots of the audience so that was distracting to me. Do whatever you have to do to get out and see the movie. It's definitely worth seeing.
Will I ever reach 1000?
For more information on rock, visit www.timfranklin.net |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2006 : 19:37:07
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A4C, you've really whetted my appetite now! I wanna see! I wanna see!
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2006 : 20:10:55
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Wow, thanks Tim! Wasn't really interested but I must say you've piqued my curiosity.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 04/21/2006 : 01:20:16
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Hey! I wear black CK underwear too! Cool!
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2006 : 06:17:04
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Frank wears it because it stands for Charles Kitterige, not Calvin Klein! ;)
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mrgrieves1971
= Cult of Ray =
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2006 : 18:15:13
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| Damn! I had no idea it was playing. I could walk to the Somerville theater I live that close. It doesn't look like there were any other showings. I can't believe I missed it. |
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Atheist4Catholics
= Cult of Ray =
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2006 : 21:29:54
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I think I saw it scheduled to play at Zeitgeist in Inman Square. I'm not sure when, but I'll check when I'm down there tomorrow...
Will I ever reach 1000?
For more information on rock, visit www.timfranklin.net |
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Holy Fingers
- FB Fan -
USA
149 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2006 : 19:23:16
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I can't find any trace of it in Syracuse, NY.
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the acorahs
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
181 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2006 : 09:45:58
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oops, this is from the topic i rather stupidly started, when i should have posted in here:
Well, i watched it last night and it is pretty weird and some bits very uncomfortable to watch. David's 'breakdown' was particularly horrible, as he seemed to come across as the cheeriest pixie (he at least tried speaking to the others...) Although there is a bit when all the pixies are in a car talking to david which is pretty nice and they really, despite not talking to each other much, seemed like a band who care about each other (I won't go into more details and ruin it for those not fortunate to have watched it yet)
Kim seemed alright, but perhaps a bit over-reliant on kelley, but i guess she is battling alcohol and drugs and all that, so needs support (best line in the film kim: "yeah it is a beer, but it is only 5%" kelley: "ALL beer is 5% kim" ..... something like that anyway)
Charles was funny, clearly playing up to the camera "i am cute etc etc"
Joey had a hard time, it was difficult to watch him talk to his daughter on her birthday via webcam, and struggle with the soundtrack thing
the extras are pretty good, although there isn't as many as i would have liked, and the concert footage was pretty decent as well- although focussed on members of the crowd who seemed well aware that the cameras were on them "oooh look a cam pointing at me- best start head banging and doing devil horns/METAAAAAAL hand sign thing"
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2564 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2006 : 12:41:19
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So is this out on DVD now in the UK?
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Crispy Water
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
819 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2006 : 12:46:53
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I watched it last night and thought it was kind of trashy. It was made to come off like a reality TV show or something. I never would have thought the Pixies name would be attached to a soap opera, and I'm no short of floored that they even agreed to do this. It's not that I don't feel for some of the struggles they were going through, I just don't believe it's really my business.
It seems the producers just took the worst, most dramatic of all they could find and made the movie out of that. Stuff like the "Something Against You" onstage fiasco doesn't bug me - it happened on stage - but a lot of the footage was very personal and the sort of situation I would never allow somebody to film. The deleted scenes on the DVD are far more tasteful and I think they should have made up the bulk of the film.
I did like how they showed the band fucking up "Hey" at their practice at the beginning, then at the end there's a flat-out stunning version from the end of the tour. That was a decent touch.
All in all, I guess the filmmakers did their job - they stayed out of the way and "documented" what was going on. I would love to know who made all the editing decisions, though. Just get the DVD and watch the deleted scenes, then ask yourself why all that (except the nauseating Daniel Lanois segment) got snipped.
Whoever made this is obviously a student of selling turmoil. Anyone who has to watch these to be reminded that rock stars are human too needs to get a grip. Everybody has problems; it's just easier to ignore one's own by placing all one's attention upon those of others. Am I the only one who feels this way?
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benji
> Teenager of the Year <
New Zealand
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Posted - 11/05/2006 : 16:13:10
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crispy,
i think frank feels pretty much the same way you do...
he's stated that he's not particularly impressed with it...
all i can say, thank god for polio! brian |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2006 : 08:18:45
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Originally posted by pixiestu
So is this out on DVD now in the UK?
Yeah, I think it was just released today, actually. I'm gonna try and pick it up during the week, if I see it.
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mcil
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United Kingdom
148 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2006 : 08:53:27
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I got it through the post on Saturday morning: super!
I really liked it, after the first show they're all amazed at how well they were received and everything, I really liked that stuff. And the guy in the deleted scenes who tells Kim to listen to the Breeders because she has the same name as the singer... I liked that.
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2564 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2006 : 03:17:30
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I'll try to pick it up during the week too, can't wait to see it!
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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 11/07/2006 : 05:08:06
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| Don't get too excited. I thought it was a bit crap. Has it's moments, but not worth the big fuss. |
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FrequencyOfGlow
- FB Fan -
USA
157 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2006 : 12:47:59
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I saw it last night. I was instantly pissed off that the opening image is a quote from Kurt Cobain, as if the true impact of the band could not be relayed were it not for the quote from the "more popular" band. The Pixies should be enjoyed on their own terms, not because Kurt or Bono or f-ing Paul Anka dug them.
The film took a little while to get going. The recording of the actual music (maybe it was the sound at the Music Box) seemed a bit flat. Didn't get the full punch.
As the movie got deeper and deeper into the interpersonal (or woeful lack thereof) interactions, the interest level picked up. It was difficult to see David's breakdown. Particularly because I was at that show and i remember what it was like in the audience. I thought they did a fine job of portraying his struggle with pathos and respect.
Joey seems like the ambassador, the spiritual leader.
I loved the look on Kim's face as she read the book given to her by the rabid fan who had started listening to the Pixies because of that same book. She seemed positively mortified by the level of idol worship. Precisely the reason I have stopped screaming like a moron at Frank shows.
Other than that, it was just good to see the whole gang and to get a clearer insight into the method behind the madness.
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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 11/07/2006 : 14:12:16
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Originally posted by FrequencyOfGlow
I loved the look on Kim's face as she read the book given to her by the rabid fan who had started listening to the Pixies because of that same book. She seemed positively mortified by the level of idol worship. Precisely the reason I have stopped screaming like a moron at Frank shows.
That was a fantastic moment in the film and I also liked that it ended on footage of her band practicing. I suppose it is good for those unguarded moments of which there were quite a few.
Absolutely none of them were unexpected though. I suppose I'd read the reviews about it being painful watching, expecting the painful aspect to be from the emotional insight into backstage. Turned out it was just the story we all already know. |
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
2463 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2006 : 10:14:46
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| I like the doc, they've clearly put an awful lot of effort in. I think that's 'In Heaven' Charles plays on the church organ in Iceland. The focus on Dave Lovering's 'breakdown' is rather cruel, though. |
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Adam
= Cult of Ray =
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2006 : 04:31:53
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Thanks for the overview. This dvd sounds terrible. Does it focus on the music at all? I personally don't need to know what is going on in their personal lives. If FB wants to talk about that in an interview or here on the forums that's one thing, but videoing people going through personal matters is another.
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rodney
- FB Fan -
USA
127 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2006 : 05:56:26
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I will see the film this weekend and will have more comments then, I'm sure. In the meantime, I'm always interested in the stories behind my favorite bands and musicians. Seeing them as regular people simply makes me respect them more. There are reasons that the music came from where it did, and knowing the personalities and foibles of the people who created it helps it to make more sense. It's not as if David having a breakdown on film is going to make him a bad drummer or a bad person. It just makes him a normal guy dealing with problems in the same way that millions of other normal guys deal with them.
The Cobain quote is overused, but it's signifigant in that it does show the impact that The Pixies have had on popular culture. That impact is part of what makes a band that's barely sold half a million copies of a single record in nearly 15 years so special.
Plus, let's not forget that this film was made with cooperation from the band. I don't see why Frank posting on this forum about his life is considered more desirable than him saying "Sure, come and film my life for a few months and make a movie about it". It all seems the same to me. |
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Adam
= Cult of Ray =
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2006 : 08:41:29
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Because on this forum, I don't have to read it. I don't have to buy this DVD either, which I won't. I don't really get intersted in his political views, or where he shops or what he drives, etc. What I do like is when he starts mentioning other bands/musicans that he is into or who was on the new album. I've discovered a lot of new music that way, some good, some bad. So let me know how that DVD turns out for you.
7/27/99 9:30 Club DC
6/18/00 Fletcher's Baltimore |
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2564 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2006 : 12:41:51
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I bought this today and watched it straight away. I think it's pretty good, although it's nothing that I wasn't expecting. I suppose I was a little surprised at how personal some of the footage actally was.
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Originally posted by the acorahs
Charles was funny, clearly playing up to the camera "i am cute etc etc"
Hehe, I liked that bit in the doccumentary 
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2006 : 12:54:34
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Bought and watched it today (also treated myself to the Deluxe Extended King Kong, "Why?" I hear you groan!). Aside from the skewering things to create drama, in particular the whole 'Dave breakdown' thing, I quite enjoyed it. It's quite candid, and there are some funny sweet, and touching moments. It's quite nicely shot in places, and Daniel Lanois' score is nice and subtle. The deleted scenes are interesting too. Really, fair play to the band for allowing such access, they could have said "No, piss off, we're stressed enough with the reunion as it is!!" As for the band 'tensions', they seemed to get along pretty well to me. What do you expect?! Oh, and it was funny to see Tiven pop up!!
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ejcampbell
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Posted - 11/11/2006 : 08:55:16
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Watched the DVD last night and was initially unimpressed with it. Like stated above, nothing here that Pixies fans don't already know.
However, after browsing through the extras, I watched a deleted scene of Albini and Deal being interviewed where she said it was "absurd" to stand in front of so many crazed people just to play music, but how she acted just as crazy at a Stooges show. Even though she knows how the gimmick works, she's still sucked into the experience.
Part of some fans' disappointment over this doc may be that it's not really about the Pixies or for Pixies fans. This is really more about performance and the mystery of how it changes people, performer and audience alike. The Pixies are incidental; this movie's about the frame not the painting.
That being said though, I think the movie does a beautiful job of exploring that mystery. It's almost fair to call this a documentary about religion, the limited salvation that performing in a rock band has on the performers. Most of the movie illustrates how much better the Pixies individually get after they reunite as the Pixies collectively: Kim needs rock and roll to keep her straight, Joey needs it to provide for his family, Charles needs it to reboot his new life (all of his Pixies-related ideas that make it into the movie involve the band starting anew -- changing their name, playing club dates, writing soundtracks for horror movies).
David Lovering is the exception. If this is a religious movie, it's a humble one. His story is the most tragic because not everything be made better by playing in a rock band. That's also why I've come around on the infamous Cobain quote at the beginning. Most of us on this board are sick of seeing it in every article about Frank Black, but this movie may be the only deserved use of it since it was first said.
The Cobain quote at the start and the girl's cover band at the end serve as bookends. Because one is famous and the other's not, we may forget that they're both admitting to the same level of fan worship. Cobain is seen as verification, the anonymous fan as mortifying, but they're both by-products, equally separate from the band they love.
At the end of the movie, I was disappointed that there wasn't more Pixies material, more scenes of them on stage, more more! Even though the thrust of the flick keeps hammering the point that these people are no different than you or me, I still get suckered in. I got suckered in at the reunion shows. I got suckered in at the Frank solo shows. I'll get suckered in this weekend at the Black Keys show.
And for the record, I will be "screaming like a moron." That's the mystery, and the movie does the job of preserving it. It's only rock and roll, but et cetera et cetera. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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pixie punk
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 11/11/2006 : 10:49:27
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Got it yesterday and definetly it provoked different emotions.I laughed and smiled watching little Julian dancing to Vamos and his reaction at the aquiarium,hose parts were terrific!!!Dave's part definetly made me sad( everyone reacts differently when you lose someone you love specially a parent,Charles wrote Bullet and that's all we know).Loved seeing The Martinis playing Free and being the great parents they are.Obviously seeing the footage of the reunion show and rehearsals made it for me.That's All Folks!!!
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2564 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2006 : 15:43:19
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I hadn't watched the extras until just now but I do think it would have been nice to include some of them in the main feature. It seems like every deleted scene shows the band getting on great with each other but instead they included parts that deliberately made the band seem distant with each other.
The part with the guy telling Kim Deal she has the same name as the singer of the Breeders was funny, but I can't tell if he was serious or not?
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Jefrey
= Cult of Ray =
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2006 : 16:46:22
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I was pleasantly surprised. In this era, if you don't know that documentaries are all slanted towards an "angle" you must be living in a cave. I think the band is disappointed by the angle the film makers took, since as you can see by the deleted scenes, they clearly had fun and talked to each other some of the time. There was even a scene where Frank and Kim were walking somewhere and he kind of put his arm around her. They may be a disfunctional family, but it's clear that they care about each other.
Add the sort of melancholy Lanois music, and it made the film itself a little over dramatic. But you do get to see some great stuff. If you're on the fence about seeing it, I would definitely still check it out. You're not going to see many films like this that show you what a band does just hanging out with their families, or doing mundane interviews in hotel rooms.
I think the non-celebrity public tend to think that celebrities are all off doing something improtant every minute of their lives, and it's a great look to see that Joey Santiago has to get up and feed his kids cereal in the morning just like everyone else. |
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Wee Mac
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Posted - 11/12/2006 : 01:42:33
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The makers commentary is worth listening to, gives a better impression of what the documentary makers intended. In it they explained that the original cut of the film was getting on for 3hrs long, and included the 'deleted scenes'. They had to do some serious editing to keep things to a reasonable length and is why they included those scenes that they felt should have been in the main feature as extras.
Personally, I don't think there was any malice/misinformation intended by using the scenes they did choose as they explained that they had limited footage they could use unless they wanted a film about four people sitting around not doing or saying an awfull lot.
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/12/2006 : 05:56:00
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 14:31:19
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It seems like every deleted scene shows the band getting on great with each other but instead they included parts that deliberately made the band seem distant with each other.
Yeah, especially the 'Horror Movies' deleted scene, they're just like a bunch of old friends! The clip of Julian saying "Is this for the extras or the main feature?", or something, haha!! The scenes with Mr. John Murphy are priceless, with Frank meeting and old frlame and the box of memorabilia! Nice to see Errol, too! And Dave showing his metal detector booty, with the Kiss badge! Never mind the reunion, he has a nice few quid with that lot! The Iceland scenes were nice. As for the main feature, It was nice to see Kim and Dave's parents make an appearance. Very sad about Dave's Dad. He seemed like a very kind, gentle man. I liked that bit with Frank and family taking a stroll. "Honey, what are we doing?" "We're following your children into a cornfield!" (or something like that!!). Kim panicking before the first show, and elated after, was funny, too! "I've got blisters on my fingers!" The Deals are so sweet and funny! Also the guys looking bored in the cafateria and Frank singing Where Is My Mind? and messing with his cellphone! And sliding off the couch during the photoshoot. Joey's Kid's are so sweet! I didn't know the Brixton Academy show's were the fastest selling in the venue's history!
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houstonguthrie
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Posted - 11/13/2006 : 10:51:47
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I loved it - I enjoyed it all the way through. In the commentary - they were pretty dismissive about Charles' solo career. In the film they didn't really say anything about it one way or another but in the commentary you can tell they don't think too much of it.
They're more impressed with Kim's success with the Breeders - sighting her as "by far the most succesful since the split" - what - Because of Cannonball?? whoopdy friggin doo - Want You Coo Coo Cannonball
all Charles has done is churn out about 10+ incredible albums in that same time frame
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kfs
= Cult of Ray =
USA
889 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2006 : 06:54:28
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| I am disappointed. I ordered my copy of the DVD from Plexi-in Europe. It arrived yesterday and I put it in the player...all I got was a message like "unable to play due to area restrictions." I'm probably going to give it away to someone here who hasn't got a copy yet. Anyone interested? |
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IS
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Posted - 11/14/2006 : 07:31:48
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The deleted scene with Kim in the music store killed me. When the clerk got her credit information, you see that moment of recognition when he sees her name, the as he looks up to see if it's her, and she just happens to look away at that exact moment. The he goes on to ask her if she listens to the Breeders!! Hah hah!! When she asks someone off camera, in complete confusion "Is he fucking with me?" HAH HAH HAH!! Fucking priceless...I loved it. I love Kim Deal...
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bflat
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/14/2006 : 11:48:53
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| Really, I think there is more to the Pixies albums than quietloudquiet. I'm sure there are more cliched titles for the film they could have come up with, but not many. |
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Just saw loud QUIETloud...
