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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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 Posted - 04/12/2006 : 09:26:10
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i guess i don't understand what "general chat" means then
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur |
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 09:40:49
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I'm happy with more topics. Lists confine several topics to one thread. This, to me, is the problem. I'm not sure the latest "Movie's" thread is any better, to be honest. It's not 100 pages, but it's still a list. I'd rather see you start a thread about Alien vs. Predator. Certainly it's more valid a thread than many that have come up previously.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 09:41:17
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Oh, and stickies. Yes, I can move ones that I've done, but I can't touch Dave's. I'll ask him to stop by.
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 10:05:37
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Dean, should we also try and clean up FB General Chat - does anyone really care about the EverythingEnglish.com merch anymore?
-Brian
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 10:07:08
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I've sent Dave a list of all stickies to be removed and that one is on there. I have about 10 threads listed. I'll cc you a copy if you want.
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 10:08:34
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If you want to, sure.
I'm interested to see how General Chat looks in a few days...
-Brian
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 10:20:57
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I'm in favor of killing the massive 'lists'. What a nightmarish thread to stumble upon...
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Fartbone
- FB Fan -
USA
171 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2006 : 12:14:56
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look lorena, the yuppies are arguing over the internet again
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dayanara
* Dog in the Sand *
Australia
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 12:27:04
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i'm kind of confused about locking the movie threads. surely you don't want a new topic every single time one of us sees a new film? sounds awful cluttery.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 12:30:03
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No, you're right, but I don't think that's what would happen. More likely, when people see movies they love or hate enough they will, which is I guess what we'd like. We'd like discussion on the particular movie, not just adding it to a list with an "I hate it" or even a full discussion of why which is largely ignored.
I'd still rather have a lot of threads that I can pick and choose than one thread containing everything that I have to hunt through to find what interests me.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 12:31:20
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I'm happy with more topics. Lists confine several topics to one thread. This, to me, is the problem. I'm not sure the latest "Movie's" thread is any better, to be honest. It's not 100 pages, but it's still a list. I'd rather see you start a thread about Alien vs. Predator. Certainly it's more valid a thread than many that have come up previously.
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
but there has been plenty of discussion in that thread. again, i don't really understand the reasoning.. but then i guess it is hard for all those people who don't read them to have to look at them. i know some people are very sensitive about that kind of thing
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Fartbone
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 12:34:03
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this thread should read, "hey guys, how about we pull the rug from under all of you"
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 12:37:29
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wait a second, so we're not allowed to have a movie thread now?
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 12:39:50
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Exactly Floop. It's hard for people who may otherwise discuss A vs P to see it buried in amidst everything else. It's not that posting in the thread was a bad thing, it's the result, which is people seeing nothing in the topics list except what amount to a thread called "Movies" when they could instead see "Floop vs Alien vs Predator" and so on.
Some lists are okay, when the point of the content is a list of things that don't really merit discussion but it just makes the substance of the forum less accessible. As Dayanara also pointed out, the opposite could be just as bad or probably worse - if everyone posted a topic about any silly thing all the time. We've seen these oscillations between little going on and lots of silly threads in the past, it seems to even out.
Hopefully that explains why I've locked the last two of your threads. General chat doesn't need threads that are basically 'threads about general chat'. I hope you understand it's nothing personal with the locking, just trying to set the stage now so we all can build more readable stuff.
Fartbone, if you have a specific complaint, I'd be happy to address it. Otherwise...
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 12:49:10
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Exactly Floop. It's hard for people who may otherwise discuss A vs P to see it buried in amidst everything else. It's not that posting in the thread was a bad thing, it's the result, which is people seeing nothing in the topics list except what amount to a thread called "Movies" when they could instead see "Floop vs Alien vs Predator" and so on.
um, but maybe people who are interested in discussing a movie might look at / post in the "movie" thread??? this place would be out of control if someone started a thread for every single movie / gig / book that's discussed in those threads.
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Fartbone
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 13:05:20
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Fartbone, if you have a specific complaint, I'd be happy to address it. Otherwise...
I'm assuming STFU!. allright, just tattoo my number to my arm and shelve me away
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 13:46:11
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I agree Floop, but I don't think that's going to happen unless you wilfully do that. Creating a thread to say "I watched movie x" and that's it is not what I'm talking about here. I don't want that and that would clutter up the forum, but I think people are smart enough not to post topics like that without having anything to say. And if you have something to say about a movie, then it could be a thread. Until recently, it had always been this way. Threads about bands, albums, different movies, tv shows. Take a look.
Having a general movies thread is like having a thread called General Chat. Instead of having topics like your "Movies" thread that can easily be seen, they have to open the thread and scroll through thousands of pages of conversation on other topics to find conversation about a movie. This way, it's more organized and easier to navigate. There will be times where maybe there are too many. Certainly if people DO post every little thought that comes to their mind as a thread, that would be a problem. But historically that's rarely something that's happened.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 14:01:08
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what do you mean it's rarely happened? isn't that what everyone was bitching about the last time everyone was bitching? too many topics.
re: the movies thread. i can see your argument, but again, i don't think that was just a list thread. there were discussions in there. i think people are probably less apt to post about something they saw because they won't feel like it warrents a whole new thread. whereas with that thread, there was a lot of activity.
like i said, i enjoyed it because i liked hearing what people were watching, what they thought etc but i understand that you insist on ruining my life.
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 14:07:35
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It has happened, yes. People have posted ridiculous threads which are meant to be silly one-liners and clutter things up. Not naming names. But I'd rather have that cycle and be able to see what movies/albums/etc are drawing attention then having one thread and having to sift.
I have an idea though. If there are topics that are coming up enough, like movies (is this the case?), we could create another subforum of general chat for that. Not too many, I don't want the forum list huge either, but one or two wouldn't be the end of the world. Thoughts?
I'm trying to make things better, not worse. Honest.
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 14:20:08
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I've suggested that numerous times
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 14:21:18
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Hey, funny, I was just going to suggest that subforum idea. "Books", "Movies", "Non-FB Music", that sort of thing. Make everybody happy. Might be worth a shot.
The experts they file in by the roomful / Watching him dying young
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 14:28:22
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I know, LBF, I've heard people suggest it but our forum's never been quite busy enough to partition. I'm not sure it is now. I don't want to create dead forums but I think we'll see how General Chat does first, and if it does go the way Floop is thinking, i.e. overload, I'll divide it that way and move the threads as needed.
I think that at this point in the forum where things are pretty slow it'll end up being a moot point, but still worth considering. I got the impression that most people were for the idea, and the only real detractors are <brace yourself>Floop and Fartbone so I think it's safe to say that it warrants a trial before I go creating.
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 14:36:12
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This is where I start lobbying for a 'Hardcore Porn' subforum.
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chickenwithtwoheads
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 14:59:45
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
I know, LBF, I've heard people suggest it but our forum's never been quite busy enough to partition. I'm not sure it is now.
Perhaps the forum's never been busy enough due to the lack of partions.
Some 'less succesful' topics slowly disappear and move to the second page of the General chat page, but could be relevant after a couple of weeks.
But at that point, the topic is out of sight, and wil die eventually (like most of the topics on the 129 (!) pages of the General chat).
When subforums are created (like 'General', 'Music', 'Movies', 'Literature', etc, more topics will be kept alive at the same time.
But in case this forum stays the way it is: can we create topics to discuss certain genres (like film noir, sci-fi, horror, silent movies, whatever)?
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 15:12:01
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Yeah. Topics are supposed to be about one thing. A genre is a thing. A movie is a thing. An album or band is a thing.
A topic with discussion about a bunch of things is what we're trying to get away from.
Maybe I should get Tre or Brian to explain, I seem to have trouble.
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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chickenwithtwoheads
= Cult of Ray =
Netherlands
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 15:20:06
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Maybe I should get Tre or Brian or Dave to explain, I seem to have trouble.
Perfectly clear to me.
Let see, which movie deserves it's own thread, Hellraiser I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X or XI?
Or all of them?
Damn, so many things to choose from, I just can't decide!
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2006 : 15:22:14
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in all fairness, "this topic will suck" was about one thing
"I don't have any money to buy new clothes and if they paid me to get some I'd probably buy more hoodies." - Mark Wainfur |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 15:25:23
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I think we should leave the Hellraiser topics to Vovat. Incidently, where is Vovat?
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pixiestu
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 15:30:41
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Didn't Vovat say he wouldn't be here much a few days ago in the 'what's on your mind' thread (RIP). I can't remember why though.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 15:45:02
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Aaah yes. You see, we DID learn something in that thread. I just instantly forgot it is all.
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a guy in a rover
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 16:22:26
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Delete them I reckon, if you went to a cool gig or heard a cool album then start a new thread. Thats if its worth discussing. If you went to a James Blunt gig then take a screwdriver to your face.
A pig or a goat well, they wouldn’t let you be mistreated
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 17:20:29
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The rationale behind locking the movies thread is to do with keeping it uniform. These threads have been locked, they can be unlocked, I could have happily gone round deleting them because I am power crazy and have a new button to use. A case could be put by members who have a particular fondness for any of those threads to keep them but when you start making exceptions the reason behind doing it in the first place is lost.
Even in those threads that foster some element of discussion (and I was at loathe to lock the what are you reading thread myself as I post there a lot) have the same if not a higher amount of listing. For every discussion around one given thing there would be ten buried factual posts.
Speaking of the reading thread, there was a discussion about Nabrakov in there that would have made an interesting thread all on it's own and could have been missed by anyone who skims past the bulk threads.
It's not that we want a new thread for every book/movie/gig that you read/see/attend but it is a way of applying a filtering if you like. If you see a film, read a book or attend a gig that particularly captures your imagination and you feel like sharing and opening discussion of that actor/author/ band then you do. It's not about posting everything.
The hope is that the locking of these threads will spark more pertinant posting. People have commented on the lack of threads with substance. It may be that more is needed to increase the discussion than just this measure but at least things are being tried. If it is a wrong move then the threads are only locked and can, if needs be (which I doubt myself), be unlocked. You have to give this a fair chance though. It's been a few hours since I locked all the threads; please give it a bit of time to see how it goes.
Things are being tried to make the forum run better. Loads of effort goes in from Dean and Brian in all aspects of forum world trying to make the site as good as it can be. Problems crop up and solutions are thrown about and this was one solution 99% of the forum agreed with so we went with it. On most other forums you wouldn't have even been asked.
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 18:00:36
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well thanks for asking. i come and go on this forum (about each day) and can only imagine the effort you good people put into it.
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 18:34:02
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