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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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 Posted - 03/17/2006 : 02:06:58
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So is this a good for film or not?
Arguments For:
- It's beautifully shot
- The soundtrack is great
- The fact that nothing much happens goes so much against the grain that its difficult for people to get their heads around
- Its subtly, and really well-acted
- It has Scarlett Johannsson
Arguments Against:
- Nothing happens
- Therefore, the film is a triumph of style and substance
- It's predictable and contrived
- Pretty? It's just shots of the city at night and Scarlett Johannsson looking pensive
- It has Scarlett Johannsson
(Thanks to a certain forum member for certain arguments)
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 02:19:18
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| It has Scarlett Johansson |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 02:26:08
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(in underwear)
Denis
I love Guitar Wolf from the Erath! |
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 02:31:49
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It's boring it does nothing it goes nowhere it says nothing and I stand by my reasoning.
Romeo and Juliet, not as good as I remember either. |
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
France
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 02:47:19
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Originally posted by cassandra is
(and I was really excited to see it)
This was my boss/film guru's opinion: people come at it having heard so much about it, expecting to see something it's not.
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 02:50:29
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i thought it was ok.
i came out of the cinema in love with scarlett johansson
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 02:51:35
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Film struck a chord with me because I saw it when I first came to Barcelona, before getting to know more people who were living here longerterm I was meeting a lot of people for spells like that, small fleeting friendships but with an undeniable connection, there seemed to be deeper resonances in everything we said no matter how goofy. I liked it, it was a gentle film.
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 02:53:00
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 02:54:07
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Also, just as an indignant aside (and it is so tempting to edit your post here but I am above this)
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The fact that nothing much happens goes so much against the grain that its difficult for people to get their heads around
It's not against the grain at all it's a pointless arty excercise. If nothing much happened but there was reason for it, if nothing much happened and it showed something by it then fine. The trouble with this is nothing much happens because it is a non-story and should have been a non film. Also, I recollect another argument I had about films where I was arguing the point that love and romance in films was irksome because it made it all about overblown grandiose gestures and a certain forum member made their argument along the lines of, well if it weren't for that it wouldn't be much of a film would it.... which means that for a film to be compelling, by their own rationale, something has to happen or there has to be a point to it.
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Arguments Against:
- Nothing happens
- Therefore, the film is a triumph of style and substance
Stop defending it in the againsts. I said it is style over substance when someone elses argument had descended to "but it is really stylish"
Anyway. Carry on.
Bitter? about what? |
Edited by - starmekitten on 03/17/2006 02:54:42 |
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:01:10
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I don't know.
That's just a technique to discredit one another arguments
It works well with those who don't like Amelie Poulain neither. |
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:06:12
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Originally posted by starmekitten
Also, just as an indignant aside (and it is so tempting to edit your post here but I am above this)
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The fact that nothing much happens goes so much against the grain that its difficult for people to get their heads around
It's not against the grain at all it's a pointless arty excercise. If nothing much happened but there was reason for it, if nothing much happened and it showed something by it then fine. The trouble with this is nothing much happens because it is a non-story and should have been a non film. Also, I recollect another argument I had about films where I was arguing the point that love and romance in films was irksome because it made it all about overblown grandiose gestures and a certain forum member made their argument along the lines of, well if it weren't for that it wouldn't be much of a film would it.... which means that for a film to be compelling, by their own rationale, something has to happen or there has to be a point to it.
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Arguments Against:
- Nothing happens
- Therefore, the film is a triumph of style and substance
Stop defending it in the againsts. I said it is style over substance when someone elses argument had descended to "but it is really stylish"
Anyway. Carry on.
Bitter? about what?
Sorry, my mistake, I meant style over substance. And hey? Where have I stated an opinion here? I'm chairing.
I have to point out that there was a case made that Romeo & Juliet is not a great love story (points taken), but the style in the film made up for it. Does the same logic not apply to Lost In Translation? It's not even a proper love story - that they fall in love is never fully concluded - but it still manages to be held in great affection by lots of people, which seems to signify that there's something there that does resonate with people?
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:08:13
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When Date Movie tops the charts I don't think you can use the lots of people argument.
People are fools.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:11:13
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You're all stupid. It was a great movie. End of the debate.
Denis
I love Guitar Wolf from the Erath! |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:11:33
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Hey, you try to twist my logic back on me, don't be put out if I try and do the same!
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:14:16
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Originally posted by vilainde
You're all stupid. It was a great movie. End of the debate.
Denis
I love Guitar Wolf from the Erath!
Heretics! |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:16:17
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Why don´t we all just lighten the tone and talk about abortion?
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:20:10
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The main difference between Romeo and Juliet and Lost in Translation is, to my mind, that Romeo and Juliet is what it is and it makes no bones about it. The story is flawed but it doesn't pretend to be otherwise, Romeo is emo and fickle and flighty and the two young lovers are young and idealistic and a bit daft. As a stylistic excercise in this version it is pulled off very well because it is totall overblown and out there.
Lost in Translation almost pretends to be something it isn't. It's a story of two lonely people trying to make a connection, fine. But instead of doing this sublty as suggested I think it is as emotionally manipulative as any blockbuster that sells. The undefined feeling between the two leads feels false to me. The arty wandering around face-with-awe scenes don't resonate. It's trying to be something instead of just being which is why I think it's stupid. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:25:42
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I'm going back to just chairing, my mind is too filled with 8-digit numbers to properly make my point, given that I'm ineloquent at the best of times.
So. A poll.
You have one vote from two options, use it wisely. Lost In Translation: good film or bad film?
Cheeseman1000 votes: good film
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PixieSteve
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Poland
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:26:40
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good film
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:28:35
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:29:50
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if you didn't notice, your names are next to your posts already..
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 03:36:19
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lol
vilainde (that's me): good film
Denis
I love Guitar Wolf from the Erath! |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 04:53:50
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Originally posted by Newo
I liked it, it was a gentle film.
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Gravy boat! Stay in the now!
That's pretty much how I feel.
 I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1734 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2006 : 05:29:06
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2006 : 05:53:52
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good film
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2006 : 06:06:21
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
quote:
Originally posted by Newo
I liked it, it was a gentle film.
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Gravy boat! Stay in the now!
That's pretty much how I feel.
I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
You there! Use your vote!
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Edited by - Cheeseman1000 on 03/17/2006 07:08:00 |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 06:30:31
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That feeling of isolation/boredom/whatever you get when watching it, to me, is the greatest thing about the movie. You feel like you're there.
 "If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2006 : 06:44:54
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Originally posted by cassandra is
And the jokes upon japanese culture are just a bunch of bad stereotypes, which isn't enough to make me laugh.
It is not about Japan at all. It's the inner Japan we all have in us.
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 06:48:01
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Are you turning japanese Monsieur? I really think so.
Denis
I love Guitar Wolf from the Erath! |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 07:01:27
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it's good to see that she's expanding her repertoire with her next film, about being a troubled teenage girl.
lost in translation is highly overrated. i'd rather watch a Jim Jarmusch film, or a Wong Kar Wai film, or any of the other people she tried to rip off.. |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 07:04:39
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Originally posted by floop
it's good to see that she's expanding her repertoire with her next film, about being a troubled teenage girl.
lost in translation is highly overrated
It has something to do with the troubled teenage girls' monthly budget for movies, I think.
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/17/2006 : 07:17:34
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good film.
That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.
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cassandra is
> Teenager of the Year <
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2006 : 07:31:12
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good is the new bad
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
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The Lost In Translation Debate
