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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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 Posted - 03/06/2006 : 10:21:15
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Something like "Mwah-hah-hah-haah." I´d imagine when you distribute food to kill African babies, you´ve already had a care-what-people-think bypass.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 10:24:04
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
Taking the Nestle story as an example, what is their response when challenged about this?
 I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
More tote bags and free samples.
I remember in one pediatercian (sp?) office that we used they had 5 can pyramid of baby formula right next to the fucking baby scale. Implying the message, "Your baby isn't heavy enough? Give them formula." And a few years switch them to sugar water. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 10:33:49
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Kind of off topic,
but I've been supplementing Jonas with formula and the no-name brand has just slightly better nutritional value and is half the price.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2006 : 10:36:44
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Well no more Lion Bars for me then. I'll stick to Snickers and Picnics.
Mars and Cadbury are OK right?
I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 10:42:27
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UEA have a boycott on nestle... you can't buy any nestle products on campus. recently there was another vote to see if we wanted to keep the boycott, the other argument was freedom of choice - you can boycott if you want, but don't make the decision for everyone else. what yer think?
(the boycott stayed btw)
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2006 : 11:13:35
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Most of people who talk about boycotting a company don't know what they're talking about. In some cases, the effect is the opposite of what you wanted to achieve.
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zub_the_goat
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
639 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2006 : 11:17:07
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2006 : 11:29:26
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sounds like a bitter frenchman
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2006 : 11:36:52
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I don't want people to think i defend them because they are French, but what the fuck do French wine producers have to do with nuclear testing?
Let's take the example of Carolyana, who buys stuff at local small shops because she feels that American companies are buying Canadian ones. By doing this, there is a transfer of wealth from Carolyna to these shops owners. If everyone does this, there will be more small shops and less big supermarkets, malls or whatever you call them. This will make Canadian retail sector less developed, and Canadian economy less efficient.
I'm not saying it is always a bad thing, but boycott is justice by the masses and cannot replace law.
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2006 : 11:48:02
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Actually I didn't say I shop Canadian and always in smaller shops.
I said I shop Canadian (we do have some big companies here) and/or when and if I can I shop at mom and pop type stores.
I shop Canadian because I feel there are enough thriving american corporations and I'd rather give my dollars to the Canadian stores, supporting my own country's economy.
And if I can shop smaller it tends to be at things like the local farmer's market. I'd rather give the little guy my bucks than somebody like Loblaw's.
Its a delicate balance.
But that is where your mistake is. This thread is not about economic efficiency, but perhaps more about distribution of wealth and humanity.
Either way monsieur, I doubt everyone would do this, and even if we did I could argue that instead of making this sector less developed as you say, we could be giving everyone more of a choice than let's say Wal-Mart. Conversely, if noone did this, perhaps all we'd have to shop at is Wal-Mart. You took business, you know that basically the world is made up of a handful of transnationals. How long before it is only just one or two? Efficiency at what price?
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2006 : 11:50:12
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Originally posted by vilainde
In Paris right now there's an exhibition of photographies of LA and they have ads in the subway, and yesterday I saw someone had written over one of the ads:
"AMERIKA
BOIKOT"
Made me chuckle.
Denis
I love Guitar Wolf from the Erath!
there is a sharp contrast to French people when they are in France and French people when they come vacationing in the US.
i've met several Frenchies in California who could not stop telling me how much they loved Los Angeles and how the people here are so friendly..
not the same attitude when you talk to Frenchies in France
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 11:54:03
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the french people visiting california obviously aren't the type to say anything other than that.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2006 : 11:55:12
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
the french people visiting california obviously aren't the type to say anything other than that.
aren't all French people the same? |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2006 : 12:03:15
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i've met several Frenchies in California who could not stop telling me how much they loved Los Angeles and how the people here are so friendly..
That's because you were looking so hot in your US army T-shirt...
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 12:39:07
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
Actually I didn't say I shop Canadian and always in smaller shops.
I said I shop Canadian (we do have some big companies here) and/or when and if I can I shop at mom and pop type stores.
I shop Canadian because I feel there are enough thriving american corporations and I'd rather give my dollars to the Canadian stores, supporting my own country's economy.
And if I can shop smaller it tends to be at things like the local farmer's market. I'd rather give the little guy my bucks than somebody like Loblaw's.
Its a delicate balance.
But that is where your mistake is. This thread is not about economic efficiency, but perhaps more about distribution of wealth and humanity.
Either way monsieur, I doubt everyone would do this, and even if we did I could argue that instead of making this sector less developed as you say, we could be giving everyone more of a choice than let's say Wal-Mart. Conversely, if noone did this, perhaps all we'd have to shop at is Wal-Mart. You took business, you know that basically the world is made up of a handful of transnationals. How long before it is only just one or two? Efficiency at what price?
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Don't believe the hype.
I suppose you are familiar with Ricardo's theory of comparative advantages. It is one of the very few theories that most economists agree upon.
If Canadian aluminium production is more efficient than the US one, and US retail is more efficient, than it is rational that Canada abandons its retail companies and the US imports its aluminium from Canada.
This is not just a theory. Take the example of France vs UK. Each time a French company is about to be acquired, politicians try to prevent a foreign player from coming into our domestic market. In the UK, there has been a "laissez faire" policy at least since Thatcher. Well, the development of our neighbour country has been much faster than ours over this period. Actually, many UK companies have never been so strong. I know that this has been made at a certain social cost. But we are about to pay that social cost in France too, and we're ten years late.
Secondly, I think that the fear of a "big brother" controlling all the world's economy is irrational. The history is full of examples of broken monopolies. Especially now, because the technology is changing everything so quickly. Some people complain about Google's supremacy. That company didn't exist 10 years ago. Look at the US telecom sector. ATT/SouthBell was announced this morning. Basically, they are rebuilding Ma Bell again (it was dismantled years ago). Economy is about destroying/recreating (see Schumpeter). Historical evidence is clearly against the idea of a trend towards a single company dominating everything.
True there are some sectors where your freedom of choice is limited. That's why you have anti-trust watchdogs in every developed country. I don't know how they work in the USA, but they are doing a good job in Europe.
As for your humanity issues, I don't see why protecting Canadian economy is "humane". I am not sure that the fat guys sitting at boards of Canadian companies are nicer than their American (or French) counterparts. If you truly want to redistribute wealth, save your money by shopping at Wal Mart and send it to Somalia.
I am being a little bit agressive here. I don't necessarily disagree with you that much, I just want to underline the fact that people who point out some very noble reasons for boyoctting a company or some other political action usually do it to defend their own little interest.
Of course, I very often buy stuff at my local small shop. I like the guy who works there, and I find it charming that his small shop is still working, although there is a supermarket just accross the street.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2006 : 12:48:55
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2006 : 12:54:03
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As for your humanity issues, I don't see why protecting Canadian economy is "humane". I am not sure that the fat guys sitting at boards of Canadian companies are nicer than their American (or French) counterparts. If you truly want to redistribute wealth, save your money by shopping at Wal Mart and send it to Somalia.
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Again, a better distribution of wealth and/or and humanity.
In Canada, we have our own Wal-Mart, its called Zellers. Ever since Wal-Mart, Zellers hasn't been doing too well. The prices are similar, so I shop there, for a better distribution of wealth. Unless you count the fact that we are quickly losing our Canadian culture to Americanization, that could be considered inhumane...
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2006 : 13:15:15
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I think if the public really knew what a giant cocksuck our economic system was, Alan Greenspan would be chased down the street and strung up by his turkey neck.
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes its laws."
- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 14:06:28
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Originally posted by dayanara
i plan on boycotting this forum until the slacker mods return and dave goes back into exile, a worthy cause if there ever was one.
i hate anyone who doesn't like me.
Agreed!
Smell ya later. =P
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
4496 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2006 : 14:10:57
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Originally posted by starmekittenMonsanto give GM a bad name. I'm quite avidly pro GM
What about GM are you in favor of?
"Live life like you're gonna die...because you are." - William Shatner, You'll Have Time / Has Been |
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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos
Canada
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 14:16:51
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Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
Well no more Lion Bars for me then. I'll stick to Snickers and Picnics.
Mars and Cadbury are OK right?
Actually, chocolate itself is a very hot topic (much like coffee.)
Most (if not all) of the chocolate the big companies use comes from farms where children are forced into labor:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=chocolate+child+labor
'Fair trade' is the term to look for on chocolate (and coffee.) Organic is generally fair trade as well. (And, frankly, tastes a million times better than the crap you get from these big companies.)
"Live life like you're gonna die...because you are." - William Shatner, You'll Have Time / Has Been |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 15:34:34
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Monsieur, UK companies are doing better than French because Britain is better than France. It's not economics, its common sense.
I have to agree with Noisy on the Fair Trade tasting better though, the coffee is excellent, and I swear by the bananas.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 17:06:08
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So, who should we NOT boycott? Is there any company that ISN'T evil, or at least affiliated with evil?
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 18:36:47
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
'Fair trade' is the term to look for on chocolate (and coffee.) Organic is generally fair trade as well. (And, frankly, tastes a million times better than the crap you get from these big companies.)
and so it should. it costs a million times more.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 03/06/2006 : 20:31:22
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Nestle do so many sweets, and coffee and stuff. I usually feel a bit guilty when I see their logo on the wrapper of chocolate/sweets I'm eating....
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 02:48:02
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Monsieur Posted - 03/06/2006 : 12:39:07
I think that the fear of a "big brother" controlling all the world's economy is irrational.
We can afford to have these opinions because we´re of the three billion people on planet living on more than two dollars a day, though maybe the other half of the planet might wonder about the rationality of the idea they´re living under a control system while they´re you know, feeding sugared water to their children in lieu of food and making sportswear in a factory where they get searched at gunpoint upon leaving a shift with no bathroom breaks and the occasional beating with a piece of shoe leather.
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2006 : 04:36:32
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I don't see how your statement is opposite to mine.
Slavery is not new.
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 04:50:20
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Originally posted by Dave Noisy
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Originally posted by starmekittenMonsanto give GM a bad name. I'm quite avidly pro GM
What about GM are you in favor of?
There are many many benefits to GM crops. The ability to grow crops in unfavourable conditions, edible vaccines and so on. It's the theory I entirely approve of I don't approve of the way companies like monsanto use the technology.
I know a lot of people are anti-GM but I don't really understand their reasoning (or lack of often enough) for it. |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 05:14:24
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Monsieur Posted - 03/07/2006 : 04:36:32
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I don't see how your statement is opposite to mine.
Slavery is not new.
Well good then, I´d prefer not to set myself up in opposition to anybody. Slavery may not be new, though the scale of it today is. For centuries we lived under overt, physical control and now we´ve got covert finiancial control. I´ll give you an example of how the strategy works: South Africa during apartheid you´ve got overt and violent control, overseen by family Oppenheimer who owned 80% of companies on countries´ stockmarket and nearly all the diamonds and gold. Apartheid ends, South Africa joins the haha free world and afterward family Oppenheimer own 80% of companies on countries´ stockmarket and nearly all the diamonds and gold. The power structure doesn´t change a bit, just the superficie, basically we´ve come up with some pretty fiendish new ways of convincing people they´re not slaves.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 05:22:52
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Does it matter? Who cares if some family or organisation controls the diamonds? What you have in South Africa is not superficial change, and don't try and spout other ideas: since the end of Apartheid, you have an (admittedly flawed) government changing policies so that you don't have state-sanctioned segregation any more. This changes life for millions of poor South Africans far more than stockmarkets.
There is still a huge problem of poverty in South Africa - unless you've seen it, you wouldn't believe it. The family Oppenheimer has nothing to do with that - it's a third world, African country. Please don't go thinking that there are easy solutions and easy targets to blame.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 05:27:20
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Cheeseman1000 Posted - 03/07/2006 : 05:22:52
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Who cares if some family or organisation controls the diamonds?
So control of the precious resources of a country has no bearing on the control of the country...
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 07:11:04
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Originally posted by Newo
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Cheeseman1000 Posted - 03/07/2006 : 05:22:52
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Who cares if some family or organisation controls the diamonds?
So control of the precious resources of a country has no bearing on the control of the country...
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So control of the diamonds is not going to stop poverty in South Africa.
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Fartbone
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 07:18:43
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I try to boycott morons but then I wouldn't have pixiesmusic.com
Horale Cabrones |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 08:30:15
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Unless you count the fact that we are quickly losing our Canadian culture to Americanization
Canadian culture!!! Hahahaha.
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2006 : 08:41:41
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| My trouble with Monsanto is they are producing a GM Canola that has the potential to become a dominant weed. But I'm not at all sure what I would boycott. |
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Who to Boycott and why
