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Cheeseman1000
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 Posted - 02/06/2006 : 07:24:16
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Originally posted by vilainde
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
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Originally posted by cassandra is
religions are one of the greatest diseases of the world
Are you going to qualify that?
I beg your pardon?
Denis
I love Guitar Wolf from the Erath!
If you need me to put it in simpler English Denis, you need only ask.
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vilainde
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 07:25:50
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Originally posted by Carl
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Originally posted by Frog in the Sand
Btw, can anyone explain me how these, uh, scandalous cartoons managed to go almost unnoticed for more than 3 months? :-o
Really?! They werem't done for the paper? Obviously it's because they were put on the cover of the paper.
From what I understand the cartoons originally appeared in a newspaper in September '05 with very little reaction.
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Z_Zoquis
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 07:27:15
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| Seems to me that much of the point of the cartoons is the notion that the Muslim faith has been "hijacked" by violent extremists. It also seems to me that that point is being proven true. The problem (as has been suggested) is that whenever this stuff happens and you see interviews with the supposed moderate Muslims, they almost invariably refuse to condemn the people doing the violence. Oh sure, they'll condemn the idea of violent fundamentalism, but the specific individuals involved are still referred to as martyrs, or heros, or people just expressing the depth of their "faith." There really seems to be an inherent subtext of violence that is accepted in the faith. |
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vilainde
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 07:30:50
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
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Originally posted by vilainde
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
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Originally posted by cassandra is
religions are one of the greatest diseases of the world
Are you going to qualify that?
I beg your pardon?
Denis
If you need me to put it in simpler English Denis, you need only ask.
That's the idea actually; I'm not sure I understand what "qualify" means in your sentence. I guess the general idea is that you felt offended by cassandra's comment and I can understand why. Now I'm not going further into this debate. My position is: I hate all religions, but I don't hate the individuals who believe, as those include such cool people as Mrs Denis, and you. End of my participation, but keep debating, it gives some interesting reading.
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cassandra is
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Cheeseman1000
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 07:41:08
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I guess I just thought it was a fairly sweeping statement without any basis given, maybe I took it a little too personally.
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 07:42:06
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did you watch the root of all evil programs, cheese?
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Thomas
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 07:52:37
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Not all satire cartoons are meant to be funny. Some are, but this one was not meant to be taken funny. I (a non Muslim / non practicing faithless ‘catholic’) “view” the description of the cartoon, since I haven’t seen it, as a wake up call to the faithful of the Prophet Mohammed to be mad at groups/terrorists that kill and spread fear in the name of him. If they truly thought about it instead of jumping to conclusions they would probably “see” what the cartoonist was trying to say. The cartoonist probably knew nothing about the use of the Prophet Mohammed as a drawing was prohibited in the Muslim faith. Satire cartoons are used to make you think and maybe get a discussion started. If you say he should have known the Muslim community would look past his meaning and only see the drawing of the Prophet Mohammed as a terrorist. Then you too, my friend, also only see the Muslim community as threatening.
People are too fragile.
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How would Americans react if LE MONDE's headline was "All Americans are fat assholes"? I am pretty sure that would create anti-French riots in the USA.
Man you’ve got us pegged. We would take to the streets like blind animals using French toast and French fries as deadly weapons. French onion soup would be our secret weapon. Commence the carpet bombing of the French Embassy with our secret weapon. Just try to stop us. Mwahahahahahaha.
I’m sure you comment is a joke and meant as sarcasm. Just like my answer. Instead of a sarcastic answer back they riot and burn.
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Originally posted by cassandra is
religions are one of the greatest diseases of the world
So true!
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Frog in the Sand
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 07:52:55
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Originally posted by vilainde
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Originally posted by Carl
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Originally posted by Frog in the Sand
Btw, can anyone explain me how these, uh, scandalous cartoons managed to go almost unnoticed for more than 3 months? :-o
Really?! They werem't done for the paper? Obviously it's because they were put on the cover of the paper.
From what I understand the cartoons originally appeared in a newspaper in September '05 with very little reaction.
That's right. Thus my question :)
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Cheeseman1000
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 07:57:35
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
did you watch the root of all evil programs, cheese?
Your mum
I saw some of them. Richard Starkey is more extreme in his views than any Christian I've met. He doesn't really have a pleasant manner about him either...
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 08:00:18
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ringo..?
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Thomas
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 08:00:26
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
did you watch the root of all evil programs, cheese?
Your mum
I saw some of them. Richard Starkey is more extreme in his views than any Christian I've met. He doesn't really have a pleasant manner about him either...
Who knew.
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 08:01:00
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lmfao
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Cheeseman1000
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 08:09:05
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I stand corrected, I have no doubt Ringo's a nice guy. He answers all his fan mail. I meant David Starkey.
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Llamadance
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 08:12:43
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Do you mean Richard Dawkins?
That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 08:16:46
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ahahahahaha.
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Cheeseman1000
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 08:22:03
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I had a long weekend.
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 08:23:07
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Cheeseman's greatest hits!
karma
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 08:31:58
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Originally posted by PixieSteve
Cheeseman's greatest hits!
karma
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lonely persuader
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 09:43:08
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but the americans did go a bit looney when france said it was'nt a good idea to into iraq and suddenly the french fries were dubbed "freedom" fries. Now that is pretty stupid. Talk about a baby with a rattler.
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Z_Zoquis
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 09:51:30
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Yeah, renaming french fries and boycotting french wine is pretty similar to rioting, burning down embassies and calling for the murder of innocent people. Good point.
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Monsieur
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 09:51:47
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Attacking religions is stupid. Religions are what you put in them. I remember Rilke compared God to those little wooden knives children used to play with - two kids were given the same knife and after a year their knives were totally different (note that the choice of "children" and "knives" is not innocent).
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 09:53:58
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Not similar, ZZ, but immature.
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Monsieur
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 10:06:36
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Originally posted by Z_Zoquis
Yeah, renaming french fries and boycotting french wine is pretty similar to rioting, burning down embassies and calling for the murder of innocent people. Good point.
I consider drafted Iraqi soldiers (not terrorists) who got killed by America as innocent people. Not to mention civilian casualties.
That war was meant to destroy weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist.
It was also meant to make Iraq become a better place to live. Right now, it is pretty much like Dante's Inferno in Iraq.
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astrology
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cassandra is
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Monsieur
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PixieSteve
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 10:36:40
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meh, tolerance, i can be quite intolerant towards religious people. the main thing i have against religion is that most of the stuff they believe makes me lol.
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lonely persuader
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 11:10:27
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>Humans don't need religion, although they suffer from existential questions (which is natural and >inherent like you said). Religion give them bad answers.
religions do more than that, they also provide a basic framework to live happy lives. I agree is can be done without religion but then everyone needs to be a socrates or something. To expect everyone in the world to disect their actions in a philophical way is ridiculous. People busting their asses to earn a livin in their jobs want a set of rules (not neccessaryly laws) (10 commandents for example) with which to live moral lives.
Also, Muhammad (c. 570–632)
Muslims believe that in 610, at about the age of forty, while praying in one of these mountain caves called Hira, he was visited by the Angel Gabriel who commanded him to memorize and recite the verses sent by God.
Muhammad and Jesus lived. and not very long ago at that. By the works written down (2000 years is not very long) it is more than a possibility that Jesus was different than the rest of us.
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 11:15:05
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I would agree with you Cassandra if you'd change that from religion to extremism. Many religious people are tolerant and accepting of other religions. I imagine we have a few examples here. You just don't see news stories with headlines like "Jewish man has Christian friend!" because it's not news. It happens all the time.
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cassandra is
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 11:40:07
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Nope, but I know plenty of individuals who also don't support various combinations of the above who have no religious affiliation. Still, your point is taken.
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Monsieur
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 12:00:20
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Divorce is legal in many religions.
Religion is either revealed or a mirror of human nature. If you believe it was revealed than you cannot criticize religion. If you think it is a mirror of human nature than by ctitisizing religion you attack people.
I am not against the principle of Religion, I am against individuals.
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starmekitten
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Posted - 02/06/2006 : 12:06:26
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Religion isn't a disease it's an easy target.
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