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PixieSteve
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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 Posted - 01/19/2006 : 20:58:31
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this March, Canada will once again slaughter hundreds of thousands of baby seals.
http://www.stopthesealhunt.com
sometimes we support animal cruelty without even knowing it. one way to take action is to not buy Canadian products. Sealing is supported entirely by the Canadian fishing industry, so if you're buying Canadian sea food, you're supporting the seal slaughter..
find out where your fish comes from, and don't buy from places that supply Canadian (like Red Lobster)
http://www.harpseals.org/helpstop/boycott.html
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 01/19/2006 : 21:01:19
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Kirk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
633 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2006 : 21:05:55
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So-I-had-a-few-extra-minutes-to-read-the-website-Critique
"Title: I'm an Asshole; I Wear Fur"
-it should be reversed and modified to "I wear fur from farms that torture animals in the process, in which makes me an asshole"
"People who buy fur need to know that they're paying for the torture of millions of rabbits, minks, foxes, and other animals who are beaten, electrocuted, and skinned alive on fur farms."
-not true in all cases. Most fur around here comes from hunting.
Don't let anyone fool youfur never has been and never will be "in."
-actually it has.
"From rabbits and minks to dogs and cats, the fate of all animals on fur farms is the same. They are crammed into wire cages with many other animals, where they pace in urine and feces for the entire span of their miserable lives."
-not true in all cases.
"Anyone who can watch video footage of animals as they writhe in pain after having their skin ripped off and say, 'Put that on my coat collar,' needs serious help."
-...help with finding the coat their size and possible alterations.
"and we have just the sticker to do the trick."
-There just had to be a business behind all this information.
"Wouldn't it be a pity if these stickers were on every fur hat and scarf and on every dressing room wall and cash register of stores that sold fur?"
-Vandalism.
"We would never tell you to do such a thingwe'll leave it up to you where you place your stickers."
-Lie
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 03:10:03
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Steve, that is sick. Turned it off after 5 seconds, I see where it's going.
We watched a film at high school with little chicks having their beaks chopped off and elephants being electrocuted.
Several years later i've still made no active steps in helping the animals plight. Not even bought a sticker.
I'm an asshole. |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 03:40:20
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meh, i'm no PETA dude or anything. i just found the video interesting. probably how 0.01% of animals are skinned, but still. the shot of that animal alive and moving after being completely skinned alive is siiick.
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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 03:48:53
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 07:13:29
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Originally posted by floop
this March, Canada will once again slaughter hundreds of thousands of baby seals.
http://www.stopthesealhunt.com
sometimes we support animal cruelty without even knowing it. one way to take action is to not buy Canadian products. Sealing is supported entirely by the Canadian fishing industry, so if you're buying Canadian sea food, you're supporting the seal slaughter..
find out where your fish comes from, and don't buy from places that supply Canadian (like Red Lobster)
http://www.harpseals.org/helpstop/boycott.html
Should american products be banned because Procter Gamble is an American company that owns Gilette which repeatedly mistreats animals so that Pamela Anderson can shave her you-know-what?
I am against animal mistreatment, but what is it with americans and seals and whales? |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 07:22:31
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Originally posted by ivandivel
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Originally posted by floop
this March, Canada will once again slaughter hundreds of thousands of baby seals.
http://www.stopthesealhunt.com
sometimes we support animal cruelty without even knowing it. one way to take action is to not buy Canadian products. Sealing is supported entirely by the Canadian fishing industry, so if you're buying Canadian sea food, you're supporting the seal slaughter..
find out where your fish comes from, and don't buy from places that supply Canadian (like Red Lobster)
http://www.harpseals.org/helpstop/boycott.html
Should american products be banned because Procter Gamble is an American company that owns Gilette which repeatedly mistreats animals so that Pamela Anderson can shave her you-know-what?
I am against animal mistreatment, but what is it with americans and seals and whales?
i'd say stop buying Gilette if you want to have a direct effect on that company. just like not buying from the Canadian fishing industry will have a direct effect on them (the ones who support an industry that beats baby animals to death and skins them alive)
for the record, i doubt Pamela Anderson actually shaves. she seems more like a waxing type |
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 07:38:36
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by ivandivel
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Originally posted by floop
this March, Canada will once again slaughter hundreds of thousands of baby seals.
http://www.stopthesealhunt.com
sometimes we support animal cruelty without even knowing it. one way to take action is to not buy Canadian products. Sealing is supported entirely by the Canadian fishing industry, so if you're buying Canadian sea food, you're supporting the seal slaughter..
find out where your fish comes from, and don't buy from places that supply Canadian (like Red Lobster)
http://www.harpseals.org/helpstop/boycott.html
Should american products be banned because Procter Gamble is an American company that owns Gilette which repeatedly mistreats animals so that Pamela Anderson can shave her you-know-what?
I am against animal mistreatment, but what is it with americans and seals and whales?
i'd say stop buying Gilette if you want to have a direct effect on that company. just like not buying from the Canadian fishing industry will have a direct effect on them (the ones who support an industry that beats baby animals to death and skins them alive)
for the record, i doubt Pamela Anderson actually shaves. she seems more like a waxing type
He he, can you wax that "thang"? That sound terrible. Ok, but what about executing lamb (known as baby sheep in the USA)and calves (babycows) and other small animals that taste great? As you probably know, they are not treated like little babies on the way to the slaughterhouse or during the slaughter. There's some disgusting stuff going on in those houses. McDonalds, Burger King - killing all those mother and father cows. Again - what is it with seals and whales and americans? Could it be Disney and Nemo?
I think boycotting is great, i agree. I am just curious about why the sea animals. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2006 : 07:51:12
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i don't think most Americans (or most people) are even aware of the seal slaughter. it got a lot of press back in the 70's and 80's, and then was actually ended in the 80's. but only for a few years.. now it's back in full swing. spread the word.
last year i worked on this project about a marine mammal activist, Paul Watson, and learned (and saw) quite a few things that effected me (like baby seals being kicked in the face and then skinned alive while their mothers sat next to them crying, and then continued to try to nurse the corpse days after they were dead). so i guess i'm personally partial to marine animal protection. |
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2006 : 09:32:20
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Oi, Canada! NO!! |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 09:53:41
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Floop, if you want to become an animal activist, I say remove that Pamela Anderson video from your desktop. You will boycott Gilette AND Canada.
Although I am very sensitive to any suffering, be it animal or human (I am not able to watch that video you're talking about) let's remember that in some parts of the world humans get the same treatment.
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 11:04:17
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That goes for trees too.
Hank the 8th was a duplicated man
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 11:34:57
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Originally posted by lonely persuader
just as a matter of fact. Is there a reason the animal is alive when skinned? it seems like it would be alot easier if it were dead?
I'd like to know the answer to this as well.
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 12:03:47
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cause it makes fantastic viewing
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2006 : 12:15:28
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
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Originally posted by lonely persuader
just as a matter of fact. Is there a reason the animal is alive when skinned? it seems like it would be alot easier if it were dead?
I'd like to know the answer to this as well.
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Don't believe the hype.
sometimes they don't take the time to wait till they've clubbed them to death. it's faster to just club them once and then start skinning (or not even club them at all).
they claim that they kill all the seals in a "humane" manner, but it's not true. that's why it's illegal to photograph or come within a mile of a seal hunt in Canada. because it's an embarassment |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 12:22:10
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That doesn't make sense to me.
How difficult can it be to club a baby seal to death?
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2006 : 12:32:27
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it's not that difficult at all. but it's even easier to just not bother.. these guys are trying to get as many seals as they can, so they don't always waste time making sure it's done in a "humane" manner.
rent the movie HUNT WITHOUT PITY if you don't believe me. |
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Narfk
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 13:40:56
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| Though this is not really the point this make me think of people who critisize experiments on animals for biology. I used to be against that but I've met people working in labs ; they respect the animals as much as possible and see to it that they don't suffer. And this is useful for medicine. Wearing a fur coat is not. |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 18:22:01
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 18:34:12
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This is more a reply to Floops response than animal mistreatment in general. Paul Watson - now thatīs a man that know how to push the emo-button. I will not get technical and get into his credibility - I am sure he saw some horrible things in his life. I am also sure you were told how awfully he`s been treated, maybe he's right. If you're interested in how the hunt is conducted, I would advice you to get information from someone not so heavily and emotionally involved in it as he is - it tends to cloud ones mind (I know you did not ask for it).
I am not in favor of animal mistreatment, nor do I favor hunting endangered animals. I am highly sceptical about the use of animals in much of the so-called science going on. I did not click the links because I am sure it is horrible. However, what bothers me is how this is portrayed.
First of all: people that kill whales and seals are evildoers and form the unholy axis of saltwaterevil. This is evident from the fact that they enjoy killing and watching mothers cry, "trying to get as many as they can", "sometimes they don't take the time to wait till they've clubbed them to death. it's faster to just club them once and then start skinning (or not even club them at all)". The evil is further pointed out by refering to the seals as babies. This is the "moral" argument Americans have become famous for and really made into an art since Bush came into power.
Second: killing seals and babyseals are fundamentaly different than killing babycows. It is never said so, but I think the lack of response and emotional uproar over slaughterhouses in general prove my point. I never understood this distinction. I think most people would have difficulties eating that burger or stake if they knew how animals were treated on their way.
Anyway - stop the mistreatment of all creatures. And kill Disney.
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floop
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Posted - 01/20/2006 : 20:50:03
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Originally posted by ivandivel
This is more a reply to Floops response than animal mistreatment in general. Paul Watson - now thatīs a man that know how to push the emo-button.
He does know how to manipulate the media, that's for sure. But that's part of his philosophy. sometimes the only way to raise awareness and draw attention to issues is through extreme actions, and to give the media something they can't ignore.
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I will not get technical and get into his credibility -
i'm not sure what you mean. i understand how he's a very controversial figure, but i don't see how his "credibility" would be in question.
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If you're interested in how the hunt is conducted, I would advice you to get information from someone not so heavily and emotionally involved in it as he is - it tends to cloud ones mind (I know you did not ask for it).
i've heard both sides of the story. seen interviews with sealers, government officials, buisness owners - and made an educated opinion for myself.
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I am not in favor of animal mistreatment, nor do I favor hunting endangered animals. I am highly sceptical about the use of animals in much of the so-called science going on. I did not click the links because I am sure it is horrible. However, what bothers me is how this is portrayed.
First of all: people that kill whales and seals are evildoers and form the unholy axis of saltwaterevil. This is evident from the fact that they enjoy killing and watching mothers cry, "trying to get as many as they can", "sometimes they don't take the time to wait till they've clubbed them to death. it's faster to just club them once and then start skinning (or not even club them at all)". The evil is further pointed out by refering to the seals as babies. This is the "moral" argument Americans have become famous for and really made into an art since Bush came into power.
everything you've quoted me on is simple fact. they are called "babies" because they are literally baby seals (a few weeks old) still nursing on their mothers. (nice try with tying to change the topic to George Bush though..)
you're right, there are all kinds of fucked up things happening to animals, but i think the Canadian seal slaughter is up there near the top of the list. and, like i said, i have a personal connection to it so for me it has more significance |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 01/21/2006 : 11:47:46
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This is a good topic. I have never worn fur. I come from a family that has a long tradition of not wearing fur. I have fake fur stuff and like that.
For several years the fashion industry seemed to be improving in that area but now it seeems like this season fur is back "in."
What I just found out about when surfing around that really disturbed me is how "down" is collected. It thought it was collected from birds naturally shedding their feathers. That is not the case. They are treated very cruely. I feel guilty b/c prior to knowing this I have purchased several down items throughout my life. I won't anymore.
I also haven't purchased new leather goods for about a year, because think that is mean as well.
The other thing to think about is perfume. Some perfume is made from whale parts. So it's always good to look into where that is coming from to make sure it doesn't come from a whale.
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/21/2006 : 18:18:38
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by ivandivel
This is more a reply to Floops response than animal mistreatment in general. Paul Watson - now thatīs a man that know how to push the emo-button.
He does know how to manipulate the media, that's for sure. But that's part of his philosophy. sometimes the only way to raise awareness and draw attention to issues is through extreme actions, and to give the media something they can't ignore.
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I will not get technical and get into his credibility -
i'm not sure what you mean. i understand how he's a very controversial figure, but i don't see how his "credibility" would be in question.
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If you're interested in how the hunt is conducted, I would advice you to get information from someone not so heavily and emotionally involved in it as he is - it tends to cloud ones mind (I know you did not ask for it).
i've heard both sides of the story. seen interviews with sealers, government officials, buisness owners - and made an educated opinion for myself.
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I am not in favor of animal mistreatment, nor do I favor hunting endangered animals. I am highly sceptical about the use of animals in much of the so-called science going on. I did not click the links because I am sure it is horrible. However, what bothers me is how this is portrayed.
First of all: people that kill whales and seals are evildoers and form the unholy axis of saltwaterevil. This is evident from the fact that they enjoy killing and watching mothers cry, "trying to get as many as they can", "sometimes they don't take the time to wait till they've clubbed them to death. it's faster to just club them once and then start skinning (or not even club them at all)". The evil is further pointed out by refering to the seals as babies. This is the "moral" argument Americans have become famous for and really made into an art since Bush came into power.
everything you've quoted me on is simple fact. they are called "babies" because they are literally baby seals (a few weeks old) still nursing on their mothers. (nice try with tying to change the topic to George Bush though..)
you're right, there are all kinds of fucked up things happening to animals, but i think the Canadian seal slaughter is up there near the top of the list. and, like i said, i have a personal connection to it so for me it has more significance
Watson's credibility (and actions) have been the topic of many debates, he has done and said things that have made people react - positively and negatively. I have no knowledge about him or sealing in details - I can't judge his "scientific" claims. I don't like the emo-thing though.
Nice try, but I was not changing the topic to George Bush. The comparison with Bush is valid. You guys are very fond of morals, fingerpointing and implying evil. I think you're an educated person - and you know of course that there exists no such thing as "simple facts" (i think Bush believes in simple facts though, but I am not going to change the subject here:). Especially when the emotional investment is so high, as in the case of "babies".
Further, I'm not sure, but I think you`re wrong about the "baby"-thing. They're called calves (again, I think). However, this would not evoke the same outcry, would it? That's why we don't say baby-cows and father-cows, who would eat the meat then?
I understand the personal connection thing, but I would be suprised if it didn't color your replies. Anyway - I still think the industrialisation of animals is by far the worst thing of it all. Cows and pigs in meat-factories among the worst. It also causes the least outcry, and I think the fact that they are not called father-cows, mother-cows and baby cows, in fact - not even cows but meat, stake, beef and hamburgers, is what makes the pubilc silently eat their stake while sobbing over "babies" in the wild. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 01/21/2006 : 22:22:37
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 poor seals. why are they picking on them?
like what is the offical reason and what are the conspiracy theories?
And why did they start clubbing them again and then no one caught on until now? (or so it seems)
I remember being little and having this sticker of this organization to protect baby seals. I thought people were watching out for this or am I just out of it? |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 01/21/2006 : 22:46:43
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| I think they're called 'pups' (or at least that's what my seal-studying friend calls them) and it's against the law to club farm animals to death and you sure as hell can't skin one alive. |
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 01/21/2006 : 22:55:38
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 01/22/2006 : 01:24:58
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Originally posted by darwin
I think they're called 'pups' (or at least that's what my seal-studying friend calls them) and it's against the law to club farm animals to death and you sure as hell can't skin one alive.
What is the legal way to kill them?
And how do they manage to bypass that?
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 01/22/2006 : 07:56:44
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Originally posted by darwin
I think they're called 'pups' (or at least that's what my seal-studying friend calls them) and it's against the law to club farm animals to death and you sure as hell can't skin one alive.
Ok, thanks for the info, that sounds likely. My point was the outcry over seals. There have been done "undercover" filming of animal transport and slaughter both in Europe and in the USA - it is very, very ugly - and the mistreatment has been turned into a efficient system. You don't club a cow - how inefficient. You place it on a hook, cut itīs throat. Yeah. You can hear them "moo" while hanging there.
The stuff done may be illegal, but this is a powerfull industry and no-one seems to care (what happened to the Florida milk supply story on Fox-news?). And that is my point. A couple of whalers in Greenland or the Azores , or Canadian fishermen make a much more comfortable target than local farmers (who after all supply the industry). Thus you don't eat cows but meat, and seals sure are sweet.
I also wonder if hunting seals (and whales) would be accepted if the methods were to change. I donīt think so - because so much of the arguments are emotionally flavored and morally based. But i'd be interested in reading opinions about other methods (like shooting them). |
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
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Posted - 01/22/2006 : 08:39:24
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 01/22/2006 : 09:32:00
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| To paraphrase a quote by I think it was Susan Serandon is that in 50 years of so we'll look back and say that was the time we thought it was ok to eat animals and treat them badly. I do think people will start treating animals more humanely, but it's just going to take time. |
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 01/22/2006 : 09:33:34
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anyone see legally blonde 2? they did a great job in addressing the main issues of animal cruelty. it really opened my eyes...
 "I joined the Cult of Frank/ cause I'm a real go-getter!" |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 01/22/2006 : 09:41:57
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2006 : 09:52:15
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Originally posted by ivandivel
Watson's credibility (and actions) have been the topic of many debates, he has done and said things that have made people react - positively and negatively. I have no knowledge about him or sealing in details - I can't judge his "scientific" claims. I don't like the emo-thing though.
it's ironic that you say you have no knowledge about Paul Watson or sealing, yet seem to have strong convictions about it. and on top of that, suggest to me that i should seek more information before making an opinion about it.
it sounds like you're the one who should do a little research..
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Nice try, but I was not changing the topic to George Bush. The comparison with Bush is valid. You guys are very fond of morals, fingerpointing and implying evil.
now you're trying to change the topic to George Bush again. again, nice try.
by the way, Paul Watson is Canadian.. so you're whole Americans-appealing-to-the-emotional argument is out the window on that one
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I think you're an educated person - and you know of course that there exists no such thing as "simple facts" (i think Bush believes in simple facts though, but I am not going to change the subject here:). Especially when the emotional investment is so high, as in the case of "babies". Further, I'm not sure, but I think you`re wrong about the "baby"-thing. They're called calves (again, I think). However, this would not evoke the same outcry, would it? That's why we don't say baby-cows and father-cows, who would eat the meat then?
recently-born infants still nursing on their mothers are babies. that is a simple fact.
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I understand the personal connection thing, but I would be suprised if it didn't color your replies.
i could say the fact that you're Canadian (assuming you are) colors your replies. usually Canadians get very sensitive about this issue.
i guess i don't understand the point of your argument ivan. so it's wrong to appeal to the emotions on these kinds of issues? how can these kinds of issues not involve emotions?
also, i'm not arguing that there aren't other atrocities going on. i'm just discussion this particular one, which i don't think a lot of people know about |
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fumanbru
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 01/22/2006 : 09:52:44
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Actually I only saw the first one... what did they say about it?
they said you shouldn't hit baby seals.....
just kidding. it was a comedy. they didn't hit upon the baby seal issue. but very funny.
"When Elle discovers that her lovable chihuahua Bruiser's mom is locked in a cruel animal testing facility, she heads to D.C. to fight for animal rights, give Washington a makeover and prove once and for all that America is theland of the free, and the home of the blonde!"
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