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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *

Austria
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Posted - 01/16/2006 :  08:10:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
it's been 100 years since this man was born...


i love to read that:

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_beckett.html

my fav' is:

"We are all born mad. Some remain so."


beckett is one of m heroes. i know that FB is a beckett fan too, but i think i got into beckett even before i got into FB...


I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band

Edited by - two reelers on 01/16/2006 08:11:47

Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
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Posted - 01/16/2006 :  10:47:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I didn't know today was the 100th anniversary of his birth. Here's to Mr.B.

pas de dutchie!
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =

394 Posts

Posted - 01/16/2006 :  18:04:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I havenīt read or seen anything by Becket yet, but I know Becket went to psychoanalysis with Wilfred Bion, one of the 20th century true geniuses. There has been a lot of speculation about wether the two influenced each other or not - regardless, they both ended up being declared geniuses - not bad.
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1485 Posts

Posted - 01/16/2006 :  18:10:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ivandivel

I havenīt read or seen anything by Becket yet, but I know Becket went to psychoanalysis with Wilfred Bion, one of the 20th century true geniuses. There has been a lot of speculation about wether the two influenced each other or not - regardless, they both ended up being declared geniuses - not bad.



I tried reading something by him long ago and never got past the first few pages. Where's a good place to start with this guy?
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~

Belgium
15320 Posts

Posted - 01/16/2006 :  18:35:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Waiting for Godot is his most famous and, in my opinion, most accessible work.

Totally off topic, Beckett and Joe Strummer died on the same day (different years) -- Dec. 22.




I got some heaven in my head

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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~

Spain
2674 Posts

Posted - 01/17/2006 :  06:29:34  Show Profile  Click to see Newo's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
"Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better."

All the best Irish writers are the ones who basically told their country to fuck off.

p.s. Kathryn, if Play ever gets put on near you, go see. His most accessible is Eleutheria, a wonderful doorslamming boulevard farce.

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Buy your best friend flowers. Buy your lover a beer. Covet thy father. Covet thy neighbour's father. Honour thy lover's beer. Covet thy neighbour's father's wife's sister. Take her to bingo night.

Edited by - Newo on 01/17/2006 06:31:07
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
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Posted - 01/17/2006 :  06:31:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Newo, how you been?
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =

394 Posts

Posted - 01/17/2006 :  16:50:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HeywoodJablome

quote:
Originally posted by ivandivel

I havenīt read or seen anything by Becket yet, but I know Becket went to psychoanalysis with Wilfred Bion, one of the 20th century true geniuses. There has been a lot of speculation about wether the two influenced each other or not - regardless, they both ended up being declared geniuses - not bad.



I tried reading something by him long ago and never got past the first few pages. Where's a good place to start with this guy?



Becket or Bion? Since I havenīt read Becket, maybe you were referring to Bion? Canīt help you much though. Experiences in groups and Second thoughts are both classics - however his books require carefull reading and knowledge of both basic and not so basic concepts of psychoanalysis. Itīs hardly the guy to start off with. Thomas Ogden have written several books, deeply influenced by Bion (and others as well). "The matrix of the mind" has some good chapters which may shed some light on Bion as well as putting his ideas in a broader perspective.

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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~

Spain
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Posted - 01/18/2006 :  02:29:49  Show Profile  Click to see Newo's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
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HeywoodJablome Posted - 01/17/2006 : 06:31:06
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Newo, how you been?


Iīve been well thanks Justin, the last couple months I was away finishing my novel and then went to Ireland for a couple weeks to relax. You?

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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
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Posted - 01/18/2006 :  03:22:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ducky as well, thanks!
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *

Austria
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Posted - 01/20/2006 :  02:02:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Carl

I didn't know today was the 100th anniversary of his birth. Here's to Mr.B.

pas de dutchie!



well, not today. just this year. i think his birthday is somewhere about april.

i also didn't read too much of him, i just find him to be an extremely interesting figure. his thoughts, his attitudes, his life, his solitude. i'm just reading a very good biography (entitled "damned to fame"), by james knowlson.

a good point to start ? difficult. either you like it or you don't. maybe start with the biography. or a collection of short stories. for more prosa, try "molloy". don't start with "how it is". i'm not sure if reading the plays is a good thing, i never did. perhaps. what is his point, message, whatever ? i don't know. for myself, i found an answer. if i would be forced to "explain" his work in sentence, it would be: "there are no answers, because there are no questions." and "reduction" is maybe the word.

btw, i don't think beckett told his country to fuck off. in none of his books or (very rare) statements. how do you come to that conclusion?

his psycho-analysist in the 30'ies was bion, yes. they got along pretty well.

I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
11546 Posts

Posted - 01/20/2006 :  07:46:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by two reelers

quote:
Originally posted by Carl

I didn't know today was the 100th anniversary of his birth. Here's to Mr.B.

pas de dutchie!



well, not today. just this year. i think his birthday is somewhere about april.


I see. I'm in a Beckett trance.

pas de dutchie!
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *

Austria
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Posted - 01/20/2006 :  08:09:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote



I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *

France
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Posted - 01/20/2006 :  09:18:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I only read Molloy, which I found excellent. The first part was very difficult to read, it's like being trapped in the brain of a retarded guy.




I will show you fear in a handful of dust
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