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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
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 Posted - 12/21/2005 : 18:37:20
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It's three years since he died, on Dec. 22, 2002. I know I am not the only fb.netter who loves him and respects his work.
I got some heaven in my head
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 20:17:43
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A good man indeed. The Clash were such a pivotal band for me I don't even know where to begin. I drove my mom crazy playing their damn records. First time I realized intellect and music could actually go together!
I always sort of commended them for never reuniting as well though they were constantly offered. Maybe they did it out of dignity...or maybe Joe still felt bad about that Cut the Crap record! |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 20:49:36
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As sad as Joe's death was, it somehow doesn't haunt me all that much when folks die of natural causes. He had a bad ticker and it took him down. That's life.
But Kirsty MacColl, Lennon, or D Boon... those are the ones that really seem to linger. |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 21:59:26
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| You don't usually expect a death of natural cause at 50 though, bad genes I guess. And weren't they a few weeks from induction to the Rock and Roll hall of fame, where they were all going to play together for the first time since their break up? |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 12/22/2005 : 11:19:48
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RIP Joe. A one off.
 "Yo! Ho Ho! Merry Christmas!" |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 12/22/2005 : 17:11:23
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/23/2005 : 04:28:41
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Straight to Hell?
I think not.
 I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 12/20/2006 : 19:45:37
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I'm starting my annual memorial for Joe two days early, people. I've got "Streetcore" on heavy rotation over here and from that fine album I give you these lines by Joe, which perfectly describe him:
"You didn’t even once relent
You cast a long shadow
And that is your testament"
Somewhere in your soul, there's always
rock
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roll
I got some heaven in my head
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 12/21/2006 : 17:57:21
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Rest In Peace, Joe. |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2006 : 21:23:11
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I miss Joe too but be still got Mick.
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/22/2006 : 07:03:59
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I miss Joe too but we still got Mick.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 12/30/2006 : 09:08:00
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http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1547447_4%7C%7C1179523%7C0_0_,00.html
London Calling
Ringing from the U.K., ex-Clash guitarist Mick Jones chats EW up about his late bandmate Joe Strummer, a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame tribute to the punk legends opening this weekend, and a soon-to-be released box set of all their U.K. singles by Clark Collis
CLASH CITY ROCKERS Jones (left) with the band in 1980
Guitarist and singer Mick Jones has kept busy over the past couple of years producing The Libertines and playing with his own band Carbon/Silicon (check out their website for more details). But this fall the spotlight will fall on a little old band that he used to play with back in the day: The Clash. On Nov. 14, Sony is releasing The Clash The Singles box set which boasts all 19 of the punk legends' U.K. singles and b-sides. Meanwhile, on Oct. 20, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in Cleveland will unveil an exhibition about the group. Jones has donated a large number of Clash-related artifacts as has Lucinda Strummer, the widow of frontman Joe Strummer who died in 2002 at age 50. EW rang Mr. Jones at home in London to chat about his late friend, hygenically doubtful Dr. Martens, and the best way to teach someone how to play the bass.
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: The Clash were a band who operated so much in the moment. Is it weird to have yourself archived in this way with the box set and the exhibition?
MICK JONES: Especially if you're alive, yeah!
The box set has written tributes from a vast array of people including Shane MacGowan from The Pogues, Trainspotting author Irvine Welsh, and Blur-turned-Gorillaz frontman Damon Albarn. What was it like reading them?
That was pretty good, wasn't it? It's kind of amazing, really, that we made such an impression on people. It does your head in.
Speaking of Damon Albarn, your Clash bandmate Paul Simonon has formed a new band with him called The Good, The Bad & The Queen (whose album is due stateside Jan. 23). Is it true you taught Paul how to play bass in the first place?
Well, for a little bit. It was a pretty frustrating experience. But it wasn't very long before we decided to take the strings off the bass and paint the notes on the neck. After that, I just had to shout out ''G'' and he'd go to it. But he became a very good bass player very soon.
The Clash recorded at least ten albums' worth of material in five years. Do you look at today's bands and think, ''You lazy bastards!''
Well, it's funny. When I first worked with the Libertines I sort of didn't do anything for at least two weeks. I just sat and gawped. And they must have thought I was the lazy bastard. I was just sitting and watching them because I couldn't work out how I was going to do it, you know. Then I eventually realized that the only way was to get everybody playing together.
Amongst other artefacts, you've donated a pair of Dr. Martens boots. Would these be Clash-era Dockers?
Yeah, they're ones that I wore, off and on.
Have they been cleaned since?
Probably not.
So do they still have that distinctive smell of youthful rebellion and...feet?
They're alright, I think.
Did you and Joe have a comfortable working relationship?
Most of the time it was very comfortable…considering we were [practicing while] sitting around on boxes!
Do you have a favorite memory of him?
I have so many. Joe's lyrics was the music. I used to look at his lyrics and I'd know straight away what the tune was a lot of the time.
When was the last time you saw Joe?
On the Friday before [he died]. We had a nice evening in the Groucho Club [a celeb-friendly London drinking establishment]. It was totally by accident that we were there, both of us. We had a lovely evening just talking over old times. But he actually had a heart defect. He had it all his life, and he never knew. It could have been at any time. So, in the end, we were grateful for the time that we did have.
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
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Posted - 01/01/2007 : 02:04:50
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he is sadly missed!
The waxworks were an immensely eloquent dissertation on the wonderful ordinariness of mankind. |
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FightClub08
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Posted - 03/22/2007 : 20:26:38
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I've been searching for a thread about Joe Strummer good thing I found this one to pay respect to him and the band..
Joe's my biggest hero, not only because he was a great musician, but as a person and I know that some of you might be thinking "Yeah, he just like him because he was a rebel and the singer of The Clash" well, no... just listen to these songs (Yalla Yalla, Redemption Song) and you'll see what I'm talking about, he gave it all in his songs, when he was singing, he was a great man.
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danjersey
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 03/22/2007 : 21:38:38
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2007 : 12:47:24
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http://music.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2045475,00.html
Paris calling
Rachid Taha was just one of the musicians inspired by the Clash's visit to Paris in 1981. John Lewis explores the band's enduring influence in France
Friday March 30, 2007
The Guardian
The French-Algerian singer Rachid Taha has a story about the first time he met the Clash. It was September 1981, and Taha bumped into all four members of the band just before they were due to play at the Théâtre Mogador in Paris. Taha gave them a copy of a demo tape by his band, Carte de Séjour (Residence Permit), an outfit from Lyon who combined Algerian rai with funk and punk rock.
"They looked interested," remembers Taha, "but when they didn't get in touch, I thought nothing of it. Then, a few months later, I heard Rock the Casbah." He cackles mischievously. "Maybe they did hear it after all."
The incident has since gone down in French rock legend. Taha has recorded his own Arabised version of the song, entitled Rock el Kasbah, something he's since performed live with the Clash's Mick Jones. Jones only vaguely remembers meeting Taha in 1981, but both he and Joe Strummer did eventually get heavily into Taha's music. "Joe heard some Rachid tracks on Andy Kershaw's radio show some time in the 1990s," says Jones. "He used to ring me up and tell me about this fantastic Algerian guy that I should listen to. In fact, Joe and Rachid were going to meet up, but then Joe went and died. I'm not sure he knew that he'd actually met him at the Mogador all those years ago."
Rachid Taha wasn't the only musician to be inspired by the Clash on that seven-night residency. Just as the Sex Pistols show at Manchester's Lesser Free Trade Hall in June 1976 served as the catalyst for Morrissey, Ian Curtis, Mark E Smith and Mick Hucknall, the Clash's run at the Théâtre Mogador five years later was witnessed by a veritable who's who of French rock. Manu Chao was in the audience with friends who would later form Mano Negra, as was Helno and his ramshackle world music combo les Négresses Vertes, gypsy rockers Lo'Jo, members of anarchist punk collective Bérurier Noir, and Kortatu, the Basque ska-punk band formed by Fermin Muguruza.
"The gigs were important for many reasons," says Jean-Daniel Beauvallet, editor of the French rock and arts weekly Les Inrockuptibles, who was also at Mogador in 1981. "French pop was always very apolitical. In May 1968, leftwingers were suspicious of music, and pop music in particular, and that suspicion continued for many years. Even when punk kicked off in France in 1977 with bands like the Stinky Toys - who played on the same bill as the Sex Pistols in London - it was very much an arty fashion movement for rich kids. It had none of the anger you got in England at the time. But the Clash changed all that. Mogador '81 was May 1968 gone rock'n'roll: the slogans, the graffiti, the combat fatigues, the air of revolution. It was all there."
"The Clash were militant and hedonistic in equal measure," says Rachid Taha. "And that was exciting to me. You could be a rebel and be in the biggest rock'n' roll band in the world! It was also clear that they loved music. Joe Strummer had nothing to do with that terrible punk cynicism. By the time of Mogador '81 they weren't just a rock'n'roll band, they were doing hip-hop, reggae, ska, country and western, disco, but making it sound their own. I think that's what gave French musicians the confidence to do the same with whatever music they were into. In some ways, they introduced us to the world."
Andy Kershaw sees the Clash's influence on a certain generation of French musicians as immeasurable. "It's clear that Rachid has been incredibly influenced by Joe Strummer. His demeanour, his stage movements, his vocal style, even his dress sense. I think you see that in a lot of French bands - they do like their leather trousers, don't they? But it's also the musical effect that the Clash had on people. It came down to the Clash having very broad enthusiasms themselves. All that silly punk rock nonsense about 1977 being 'year zero', when Joe was pretending he'd never been in a pub rock band and Mick was pretending that he'd never been a Mott the Hoople fan. I think that the Clash were at their best when they relaxed and let all those influences come through. You look at London Calling and it's like the history of rock'n'roll - blues, country, ska, reggae. By the time you got to Sandinista, there was hip-hop and world music creeping in too."
At Mogador, the Clash were joined onstage by Futura 2000, a graffiti artist and rapper from Brooklyn who they'd met earlier that year while playing a residency at Bond's in New York. Futura 2000 sprayed hip-hop tags on a huge fresco behind the band ("We were choking on the fumes all night," says Jones) and then took to the front of the stage to rap on The Leader and This Is Radio Clash.
"Hip-hop was still in its infancy then," says Beauvallet. "There hadn't been any big rap hits in America or England, let alone France, at that point. A lot of the big names in French hip-hop, like Supreme NTM or Assassin, were heavily influenced by the Clash. I'm pretty sure that NTM were at Mogador."
The Théâtre Mogador - a magnificent music hall near Gare St-Lazare - squeezed in around 500 more than its official 2,000 capacity each night for the sold-out residency. The Clash - along with their large retinue and support acts the Beat and Wah! - stayed out in a tower block on the eastern banlieues of Paris. "There were too many of us to stay at a fancy hotel all week," says Jones. "So we were out in what looked like a rough estate in the suburbs. I remember hearing a lot of hip-hop and Arabic music that week. Generally, we spent a lot of time in France. We played proper tours there, not just one date in Paris, like most British bands did, but the whole country. They went mad for it. They love their rock'n'roll."
"In France, they just got the Clash immediately," says Philippe Manoeuvre, chief editor of the French magazine Rock&Folk and another punter at the Mogador. "There was never any backlash. I remember the NME being very picky about the second Clash LP and later stuff like Sandinista, but the French just ate it up. Joe Strummer was immediately understood in France. Something in his haircut, his style, his leather jacket was really right with the French public."
Manoeuvre's magazine has been championing a new generation of bands in the Clash mould, like 16-year-old rockers Second Sex ("when they played their first concert, people were pinching themselves - they were so like the Clash!" says Manoeuvre), les Shades, Naast, the Plasticines, the Parisians and Brooklyn. None of the members of these bands were even born when the Clash played Mogador. Most of them feature on a new French punk compilation called Paris Calling.
If the 1980s wave of French punk from the likes of Mano Negra, Bérurier Noir, les Negresses Vertes and Rachid Taha were drawing from the Clash's methodology - the haphazard mix of genres, the outlaw politics, the clumsy appropriation of world music sources - the Paris Calling wave of bands take a much more literal influence from the Clash, playing simple 1960s garage rock riffs and three-chord pop songs. They even sing in English, which hampers their chances of getting airplay on French radio, where government controls ensure that at least 60% of output is French language.
"It's pure hedonism," says Yarol Poupaud, who compiled, recorded and produced the album. "These kids are the children of the generation who grew up during May '68. They can see that those political battles are lost. For them, the revolution is in the head. It's in clothes, in the way they look. Forming a band becomes a political act. They sing in English because it sounds cool - most of them don't even know what they're singing half the time! And, while they love the Clash, it's Mick Jones's protégé Pete Doherty who they worship. Many of these bands met at one of the Libertines gigs in Paris, which had a similar effect to Mogador '81."
Others are more sceptical about them. "These bands are all lovely kids, very cute, well brought-up from good, upper-class families," says Jean-Daniel Beauvallet from Les Inrockuptibles. "They went to the best schools in France. But they're all incredibly apolitical. Pete Doherty is their hero - what French kid wouldn't love him? There he is, stumbling around with a Gauloise in his mouth, wearing those tight trousers that French kids love, carrying a slim volume of Rimbaud or Baudrillard. Bands like Second Sex and Naast tell you that they love the Clash, but it sometimes seems that they actually just like the iconography, you know - Mick's trousers, Paul Simonon's haircut. They're more interested in a Mick Rock book of Clash photographs than they are in actually listening to Sandinista. Maybe they should all go and listen to some Rachid Taha."
· Rachid Taha plays the Barbican, London (0845 120 7500), on April 6. Paris Calling is out on April 2 on Tracks Records |
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 13:17:19
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I'm digging up this post because I'm listening to the very first show of "Joe Strummer's London Calling", which he did for the BBC World Service between 1998 and 2001.
Extracts of the show were used in Julien Temple's film "Joe Strummer: The Future is Unwritten" which I saw last Saturday. Back home I poked around the Internet to see if these shows were available for download, and look: http://www.clashcity.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13995 (scroll down for a convenient post linking to all available shows).
Tonight I started playing the first show and the intro almost made me jump with surprise. FRANK BLACK ladies and gentlemen! The intro music is a mix between Olé Mulholland and The Marsist. It doesn't get any cooler than that.
I enjoyed the film, by the way.
"Les Blackolero, y sont forts en sacramant" - Czar | 06/26/2007 | 20:10:34
free music | Blackolero | Frank Black & Pixies Tributes |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
USA
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 13:24:26
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I can't seem to get any of the downloads. I have to register at that site I guess?
I'm proud to say I'm the one that caused Kathryn's Joe kick last year and hence this thread at the time. I've been listening to him a lot lately. Made this video with a tune of Global a go go.
Mega Bottle ride
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RhSe8WVBkDI
Wait a minute. This thread is from 2005. I'm not sure I got her on her Mesacaleros kick way back then.
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 14:29:56
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For your information, KOK, I was born on a Mescaleros/Joe kick.
But seriously now, that's a nice vid. You have a knack for making the Central Coast look hip instead of dull.
Jediroller, thank you thank you thank you.
Re: Carl's most excellent post ("Paris calling"): Mick Jones was supposed to join Rachid Taha last month in Montreal for Rock Le Casbah but his plane out of London was delayed. Bummed Out City.
I got some heaven in my head
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Brackish
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 10:50:03
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For those in San Francisco, the annual Joe Strummer tribute show, Endless Strummer, is Saturday September 1st at Bottom of the Hill. Looks to be a good show.
http://www.bottomofthehill.com
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 12:05:51
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Originally posted by Carl
Kath, Taha is playing a free gig here on the 26th, I must check it out!:
Festival Of World Cultures - Rachid Taha.
Can I crash on your couch, Carl?
Seriously, his free show here was awesomeness itself.
I got some heaven in my head
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 12:14:47
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*clears couch*
Don't forget the beer!
"I hate how the reptile dreams it's a mammal. Scaley monster: be what you are!!" - Erebus. |
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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 14:43:26
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quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
For your information, KOK, I was born on a Mescaleros/Joe kick.
But seriously now, that's a nice vid. You have a knack for making the Central Coast look hip instead of dull.
Jediroller, thank you thank you thank you.
Re: Carl's most excellent post ("Paris calling"): Mick Jones was supposed to join Rachid Taha last month in Montreal for Rock Le Casbah but his plane out of London was delayed. Bummed Out City.
I got some heaven in my head
You knew not of the Mescaleros before I introduced you to them. Don't lie.
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 11:29:29
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Thank you, Jedi. You blackolero boys are so generous and cool.
Editing to add this Clash-related story that's really about freedom in the quote age of terrorism:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/4879918.stm
Terror fear over Clash fan's song
A phone salesman was hauled off a London-bound plane by police after his taste in music aroused terrorism fears.
Harraj Mann, 23, asked a taxi driver to play The Clash's London Calling through the vehicle's stereo.
But the cabbie rang police after he heard the song which includes the line: "War is declared and battle come down".
Police said Mr Mann, from Hartlepool, was released without charge after his arrest on board a Bmi plane at Durham Tees Valley Airport.
Durham Police said a security check revealed he did not pose a threat.
A spokeswoman also said that it was not just the music Mr Mann requested, but the "overall impression" he gave that aroused the taxi driver's suspicion.
She said: "By the time it was established the man did not pose a security risk, the plane had taken off.
"Safety is paramount and we respond to concerns from members of the public in the way they would expect us to.
There's caution and then there's taking it to the point where it's absurd and ludicrous.
Harraj Mann
"In this case the report was made with the best of intentions and we would not want to discourage people from contacting us with genuine concerns regarding security."
Mr Mann, a mobile phone salesman of Indian origin, missed his flight to Heathrow last Thursday because of the security check and took a taxi back to Hartlepool. He said he was questioned under the Terrorism Act.
He told BBC Radio Five Live: "I said to staff you've taken me off my flight due to my taste in music, in a more colourful way.
"I mean where does it stop? What if I was wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt, what if I was wearing odd socks, you know.
"I mean obviously the political climate these days is like walking on egg shells, but I mean there's caution and then there's taking it to the point where it's absurd and ludicrous."
The contentious lyrics by the 1970s Clash song include the lines: "London calling from the faraway towns, now war is declared and battle come down.
"London calling to the underworld, come out of the cupboard, you boys and girls."
In June 2004, Mike Devine, 35, from Bristol, was questioned by Special Branch after he had sent text messages of the lyrics from The Clash's song Tommy Gun. They included the words "gun" and "jet airliner".
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 12:19:32
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courtesy of erebus
"I think you have to grow up and realize that we're facing religious fanatics who would kill everyone in the world who doesn't do what they say. The more time you give them the more bombs they'll get." - Joe Strummer, November 2001
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15771
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 12:55:01
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What did he have to say about Indian mobile phone salesmen?
 Awesome! I fuckin' shot this!
"Les Blackolero, y sont forts en sacramant" - Czar | 06/26/2007 | 20:10:34
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 13:14:45
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"I think you have to grow up and realize that we're buying cheap phones that could sterilise everyone in the world who puts them in their trouser pockets. The more time you give them the more testes they'll get." - Joe Strummer, November 2001
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jediroller
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hammerhands
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 12:17:30
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"To celebrate Strummer’s fierce sense of individuality"
Fender
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Carl
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RIP Joe Strummer
