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Frank Lee
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 Posted - 11/14/2005 : 11:24:57
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Are we paying attention to this issue?
I hope we are!
Updated: 1:20 a.m. ET Nov. 13, 2005
HANOI - Scientists in Vietnam, where bird flu has killed 42 people,
said the deadly H5N1 influenza virus had mutated into a more dangerous form
that could breed more effectively in mammals, state media reported on Sunday. The online newspaper Vnexpress quoted Cao Bao Van, director of the Molecule Biology Department of the Pasteur Institute, Vietnam’s center of bird flu research as saying the decoding of 24 samples of the virus taken from poultry and humans showed significant antigen variation. An antigen is any foreign substance that stimulates the body’s immune system to produce antibodies
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 11:40:29
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Frank Lee
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 12:03:20
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Originally posted by Suicide_Samurai
Why would we care? We'll all be dead by then!
Based on the Asian population in the East end of London, (I have a house in Ilford),you should expect to see symptomatic people in your area (UK), by Feb 2006
We should pay attntion to this issue... |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 12:18:31
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Bird flu over the cuckoo's nest!
Sorry about the whole living in Ilford thing, I wouldn't wish Essex on anyone.
 I have joined the Cult Of Frank/And I have dearly paid |
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Frank Lee
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 12:23:23
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Originally posted by Suicide_Samurai
Why would we care? We'll all be dead by then!
Virgin Airlines Buys Tamiflu
Richard Branson, Chairman of Virgin Group Ltd. said today that his company is looking into machines and new technologies to put on aircraft to kill germs in anticipation a bird flu pandemic. He said his company has purchased 10,000 doses of the drug Tamiflu for his staff.
In response to questions about companies hoarding Tamiflu, Branson said, "We've bought [Tamiflu] because our staff is on the front line”.
Branson also said that despite Virgin's best efforts to protect staff and passengers if the flu starts spreading person to person,
"it will most certainly affect the airline industry".
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Frank Lee
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 12:26:49
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
Bird flu over the cuckoo's nest!
Sorry about the whole living in Ilford thing, I wouldn't wish Essex on anyone.
I have joined the Cult Of Frank/And I have dearly paid
Oh...it was not so bad.. |
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Frank Lee
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 12:38:03
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No brain-no pain
I spent time in New Orleans plucking people off of roofs because they could'nt bother to pay attention to the state of the levy holding back the water from their homes...now they don't have homes.
A City with a lot of visitors like New Orleans is a prime place to demonstrate and MAKE local and State politicians responsive...but not enough people payed attention to the issue. Now all they can do is point fingers and play the blame game.
Why would people, who don't trust the government's desire or competence to come to their aid, allow themselves to be dependant on that government. This Avian Flu issue is something we need to pay attention to and prepare for. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either not very smart or not very honest.
The Influenza Pandemic of 1918
The influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more people than the Great War, known today as World War I (WWI), at somewhere between 20 and 100 million people. It has been cited as the most devastating epidemic in recorded world history. More people died of influenza in a single year than in four-years of the Black Death Bubonic Plague from 1347 to 1351. Known as "Spanish Flu" or "La Grippe" the influenza of 1918-1919 was a global disaster.
In the fall of 1918 the Great War in Europe was winding down and peace was on the horizon. The Americans had joined in the fight, bringing the Allies closer to victory against the Germans. Deep within the trenches these men lived through some of the most brutal conditions of life, which it seemed could not be any worse. Then, in pockets across the globe, something erupted that seemed as benign as the common cold. The influenza of that season, however, was far more than a cold. In the two years that this scourge ravaged the earth, a fifth of the world's population was infected. The flu was most deadly for people ages 20 to 40. This pattern of morbidity was unusual for influenza which is usually a killer of the elderly and young children. It infected 28% of all Americans (Tice). An estimated 675,000 Americans died of influenza during the pandemic, ten times as many as in the world war. Of the U.S. soldiers who died in Europe, half of them fell to the influenza virus and not to the enemy (Deseret News). An estimated 43,000 servicemen mobilized for WWI died of influenza (Crosby). 1918 would go down as unforgettable year of suffering and death and yet of peace. As noted in the Journal of the American Medical Association final edition of 1918:
"The 1918 has gone: a year momentous as the termination of the most cruel war in the annals of the human race; a year which marked, the end at least for a time, of man's destruction of man; unfortunately a year in which developed a most fatal infectious disease causing the death of hundreds of thousands of human beings. Medical science for four and one-half years devoted itself to putting men on the firing line and keeping them there. Now it must turn with its whole might to combating the greatest enemy of all--infectious disease," (12/28/1918).
An Emergency Hospital for Influenza Patients
The effect of the influenza epidemic was so severe that the average life span in the US was depressed by 10 years. The influenza virus had a profound virulence, with a mortality rate at 2.5% compared to the previous influenza epidemics, which were less than 0.1%. The death rate for 15 to 34-year-olds of influenza and pneumonia were 20 times higher in 1918 than in previous years. People were struck with illness on the street and died rapid deaths. One anectode shared of 1918 was of four women playing bridge together late into the night. Overnight, three of the women died from influenza. Others told stories of people on their way to work suddenly developing the flu and dying within hours. One physician writes that patients with seemingly ordinary influenza would rapidly "develop the most viscous type of pneumonia that has ever been seen" and later when cyanosis appeared in the patients, "it is simply a struggle for air until they suffocate," (Grist, 1979). Another physician recalls that the influenza patients "died struggling to clear their airways of a blood-tinged froth that sometimes gushed from their nose and mouth," (Starr, 1976). The physicians of the time were helpless against this powerful agent of influenza.
The influenza pandemic circled the globe. Most of humanity felt the effects of this strain of the influenza virus. It spread following the path of its human carriers, along trade routes and shipping lines. Outbreaks swept through North America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Brazil and the South Pacific. In India the mortality rate was extremely high at around 50 deaths from influenza per 1,000 people (Brown). The Great War, with its mass movements of men in armies and aboard ships, probably aided in its rapid diffusion and attack. The origins of the deadly flu disease were unknown but widely speculated upon. Some of the allies thought of the epidemic as a biological warfare tool of the Germans. Many thought it was a result of the trench warfare, the use of mustard gases and the generated "smoke and fumes" of the war. A national campaign began using the ready rhetoric of war to fight the new enemy of microscopic proportions. A study attempted to reason why the disease had been so devastating in certain localized regions, looking at the climate, the weather and the racial composition of cities. They found humidity to be linked with more severe epidemics as it "fosters the dissemination of the bacteria," (Committee on Atmosphere and Man, 1923). Meanwhile the new sciences of the infectious agents and immunology were racing to come up with a vaccine or therapy to stop the epidemics.
The origins of this influenza variant is not precisely known. It is thought to have originated in China in a rare genetic shift of the influenza virus. The recombination of its surface proteins created a virus novel to almost everyone and a loss of herd immunity. Recently the virus has been reconstructed from the tissue of a dead soldier and is now being genetically characterized. The name of Spanish Flu came from the early affliction and large mortalities in Spain (BMJ,10/19/1918) where it allegedly killed 8 million in May (BMJ, 7/13/1918). However, a first wave of influenza appeared early in the spring of 1918 in Kansas and in military camps throughout the US. Few noticed the epidemic in the midst of the war. Wilson had just given his 14 point address. There was virtually no response or acknowledgment to the epidemics in March and April in the military camps. It was unfortunate that no steps were taken to prepare for the usual recrudescence of the virulent influenza strain in the winter. The lack of action was later criticized when the epidemic could not be ignored in the winter of 1918 (BMJ, 1918). These first epidemics at training camps were a sign of what was coming in greater magnitude in the fall and winter of 1918 to the entire world.
The war brought the virus back into the US for the second wave of the epidemic. It first arrived in Boston in September of 1918 through the port busy with war shipments of machinery and supplies. The war also enabled the virus to spread and diffuse. Men across the nation were mobilizing to join the military and the cause. As they came together, they brought the virus with them and to those they contacted. The virus killed almost 200,000 in October of 1918 alone. In November 11 of 1918 the end of the war enabled a resurgence. As people celebrated Armistice Day with parades and large parties, a complete disaster from the public health standpoint, a rebirth of the epidemic occurred in some cities. The flu that winter was beyond imagination as millions were infected and thousands died. Just as the war had affected the course of influenza, influenza affected the war. Entire fleets were ill with the disease and men on the front were too sick to fight. The flu was devastating to both sides, killing more men than their own weapons could.
In 1918 children would skip rope to the rhyme
I had a little bird,
Its name was Enza.
I opened the window,
And in-flu-enza.
quote:
Originally posted by Frank Lee
Are we paying attention to this issue?
I hope we are!
Updated: 1:20 a.m. ET Nov. 13, 2005
HANOI - Scientists in Vietnam, where bird flu has killed 42 people,
said the deadly H5N1 influenza virus had mutated into a more dangerous form
that could breed more effectively in mammals, state media reported on Sunday. The online newspaper Vnexpress quoted Cao Bao Van, director of the Molecule Biology Department of the Pasteur Institute, Vietnam’s center of bird flu research as saying the decoding of 24 samples of the virus taken from poultry and humans showed significant antigen variation. An antigen is any foreign substance that stimulates the body’s immune system to produce antibodies
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Little Black Francis
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 12:54:07
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What? Are you selling the cure?
I'd rather get the virus than read all that shit.
Put your topic in the right section next time moron.
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Frank Lee
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 13:05:56
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Originally posted by Little Black Francis
What? Are you selling the cure?
I'd rather get the virus than read all that shit.
Put your topic in the right section next time moron.
... Tell your mom to save me a plate.
A spent a lot of time picking people like you and idiots who would listen to people like you off of roofs in New Orleans...
and only a Moron would not care about a Pandemic...must be natures way of natural selection :-)
If it's over your head, had you thought of just not reading it?
Go back to the same old sill crap you spend all your time talking about |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 13:09:05
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Originally posted by Frank Lee
Go back to the same old sill crap you spend all your time talking about
This belongs in General Chat. This is the Sill Crap section!
 "I seem to have rejoined the cult of FB.Net!"
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Frank Lee
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 13:11:06
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Hard to spot infection
International travel on all carriers to and from the United States for 2005 was forecast at 137 million people, government estimates show. About 16 percent were on Pacific flights. U.S. airlines handle about half the traffic.
But Georges Benjamin, executive director of the American Public Health Association who led a recent CDC- sponsored study of quarantine planning, said a more robust approach is needed.
The difficulty of quickly locating passengers who may have been exposed to infectious agents posed a “significant” gap in the quarantine system, the study concluded.
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Frank Lee
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 13:17:46
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All Forums
Frank Black Chat
General Frank Black Chat
I don't want to waste time or break up a circus but I followed the above path, where are the serious people? What link should I use?
"The cult of the informed"
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 13:31:21
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And the words "General Frank Black Chat" didn't clue you in to the fact that posts are supposed to be about Frank Black?
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
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Frank Lee
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 13:35:32
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 13:39:33
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| This section of the forum is suppose to be about Frank Black, and your unwillingness to believe what people who have 2000+ on this forum have said seems arrogant. Stuff not about Frank Black or the Pixies belongs in "General Chat". And why did you join this forum to spread information about avian flu? It seems strange. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 13:41:31
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It's very sill. ;)
"I seem to have rejoined the cult of FB.Net!"
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Frank Lee
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 13:47:38
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If people think that things just go away because they ignore them, I can put you in contact with about a million people who would disagree
Like people who didn’t think they needed to spend time thinking about a tsunami warning system, people who don’t have earthquake codes for their buildings, people who think no matter what happens…somebody will show up and take care of the problem for them.
We need to take a little time out from what we think is soooo important and make sure we don't end up at the short end of the stick on this issue.
Reference http://www.hhs.gov/pandemicflu/plan/pdf/HHSPandemicInfluenzaPlan.pdf
you should be aware that pursuant to the amendment of Executive Order 13295, (amended April 1, 2005) and which reads:
Reference http://www.hhs.gov/pandemicflu/plan/pdf/HHSPandemicInfluenzaPlan.pdf
1. By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 361(b) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 264(b)), it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Based upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services, in consultation with the Surgeon General, and for the purpose set forth in section 1 of Executive Order 13295 of April 4, 2003, section 1 of such order is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:
"(c) Influenza caused by novel or reemergent Influenza viruses that are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic.".
Sec. 2. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, entities, officers, employees or agents, or any other person.
GEORGE W. BUSH
THE WHITE HOUSE,
April 1, 2005.
2. ORIGINAL EXECUTIVE ORDER
Executive Order 13295 of April 4, 2003
Revised List of Quarantinable Communicable Diseases
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 361(b) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 264(b)), it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Based upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services (the ``Secretary''), in consultation with the Surgeon General, and for the purpose of specifying certain communicable diseases for regulations providing for the apprehension, detention, or conditional release of individuals to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of suspected communicable diseases, the following communicable diseases are hereby specified pursuant to section 361(b) of the Public Health Service Act:
(a) Cholera; Diphtheria; infectious Tuberculosis; Plague; Smallpox; Yellow Fever; and Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers (Lassa, Marburg, Ebola, Crimean-Congo, South American, and others not yet isolated or named).
(b) Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which is a disease associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, is transmitted from person to person predominantly by the aerosolized or droplet route, and, if spread in the population, would have severe public health consequences.
Sec. 2. The Secretary, in the Secretary's discretion, shall determine whether a particular condition constitutes a communicable disease of the type specified in section 1 of this order.
Sec. 3. The functions of the President under sections 362 and 364(a) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 265 and 267(a)) are assigned to the Secretary.
Sec. 4. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit enforceable at law or equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, entities, officers, employees or agents, or any other person.
Sec. 5. Executive Order 12452 of December 22, 1983, is hereby revoked.
[signed:] George W. Bush
THE WHITE HOUSE,
April 4, 2003.
pandemic Influenza has been added to the list of quarantinable diseases and the movement of civilian personnel can be restricted by the government. You should interpret that as meaning, for good cause, and in compliance with the Federal Department of Health and Human (HHS) Services, Pandemic Influenza Plan, (November 2005), The State you reside in, in cooperation with other City, County and Federal Government authorities can effect the follow types of Quarantines:
#61623; Block your entry into another part of the city you reside in, (Zip Code Quarantine),
#61623; Block your exit out of the city you reside in and confine you to your home, (Quarantine to Residence),
#61623; Block your entry into another city if you do not reside there, (Barricade Quarantine),
#61623; Remove you from your residence and quarantine you to an official quarantine site operated by appropriate civil or military medical personnel, (Close Quarantine).
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Frank Lee
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 13:53:07
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I learned a long time ago, if you want to help people...you have to go where they are.
Don't worry...after the information is out, for those who are smart enough to want it...you can go back to making noise at the back of the classroom, but there is likely to be a test at the end...better get some one's notes :-)
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Originally posted by darwin
This section of the forum is suppose to be about Frank Black, and your unwillingness to believe what people who have 2000+ on this forum have said seems arrogant. Stuff not about Frank Black or the Pixies belongs in "General Chat". And why did you join this forum to spread information about avian flu? It seems strange.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 13:55:53
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Asian birds-is that one of those 'pay' sites?
BTW, the patronising teacher act=big no no.
"I seem to have rejoined the cult of FB.Net!"
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Frank Lee
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 14:03:02
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Only games have rules and a Pandemic is no game. I only jumped in to help people not to play.
Not worried about the "no-no" factor :-)
quote:
Originally posted by Carl
Asian birds-is that one of those 'pay' sites?
BTW, the patronising teacher act=big no no.
"I seem to have rejoined the cult of FB.Net!"
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 15:16:26
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It it so a game! Don't you remember the commercial?
VOICEOVER: It's Pandemic! Be the first to get your chicken to the henhouse without catching Avian Flu.
SINGER: Pandemic! It's the game that'll make ya sick! Pandemic! So you'd better roll those dice quick!
OBNOXIOUS LITTLE KID: I won!
VOICEOVER: Pandemic. New, from Milton Bradley.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to clean the crap off my sill.
"If you doze much longer, then life turns to dreaming. If you doze much longer, then dreams turn to nightmares." |
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therewererumours
* Dog in the Sand *
Ireland
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 15:45:39
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A man too long without sleep
He took a wrong turn and people just laughed
A duck that is not there
But he knows that it was
It made a flap and a qauck
He's really hurt because
People don't care
People think he's a creep
He will not stop, he keeps on talking
Just a tie and a suit
He's a lonely persuader
Fist-throwing crusader
Against invaders
Won't be mute
Sorry Mr. Lee, nobodies going to take you seriously if you keep flouting forum rules.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 15:51:11
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Originally posted by therewererumours
A duck that is not there
"I seem to have rejoined the cult of FB.Net!"
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Angry Elvis
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 15:57:11
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http://www.fumento.com/disease/flu2005.html
something interesting i read today
nothing beats being well informed
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Edited by - Angry Elvis on 11/14/2005 16:07:51 |
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Frank Lee
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 16:16:22
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Thank ya...thank ya very much :-)
I hope those who spend soooo much time playing, at least know someone who takes a little time to get some wisdom knowledge.
quote:
Originally posted by Angry Elvis
http://www.fumento.com/disease/flu2005.html
something interesting i read today
nothing beats being well informed
***i'm just a hunka hunka burnin love***
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Frank Lee
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 16:25:31
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A lot of people take me very seriously…by-the-way, most of the rules you have been trained to play by are designed to make sure you lose the game and keeping you at play and away from serious issues is one of those rules.
I see the keep em dumb and keep em down folks are still pretty good at what they do.
quote:
Originally posted by therewererumours
A man too long without sleep
He took a wrong turn and people just laughed
A duck that is not there
But he knows that it was
It made a flap and a qauck
He's really hurt because
People don't care
People think he's a creep
He will not stop, he keeps on talking
Just a tie and a suit
He's a lonely persuader
Fist-throwing crusader
Against invaders
Won't be mute
Sorry Mr. Lee, nobodies going to take you seriously if you keep flouting forum rules.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2005 : 16:52:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Frank Lee
A lot of people take me very seriously…by-the-way, most of the rules you have been trained to play by are designed to make sure you lose the game and keeping you at play and away from serious issues is one of those rules.
I see the keep em dumb and keep em down folks are still pretty good at what they do.
I also see "lot of people take me very seriously" as further proof that the "keep them dumb" strategy is working pretty well. |
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/15/2005 : 09:18:35
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I see a lot of so-called-press statements and dubious internet links and not a whole lot in the way of actual scientific proof or even discussion as to why the new antigen variation is going to be easier transmitted through the mammalian population. Also, why is it you are the harbinger of doom mister lee? I believe if we were going to suffer a pandemic very soon there would be more publication about this.
I don't think calling people names and posting in the wrong section of the forum is going to make anyone listen to you, but I have a feeling you just like the bit where you get to feel righteous most anyway.
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/15/2005 : 10:00:12
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4438342.stm
quote:
Suicides raise fears over Tamiflu
Tamiflu
European regulators say there is no need to amend product warnings
Medicines regulators are monitoring the antiviral Tamiflu after reports from Japan that two teenagers who had taken the drug committed suicide.
The European Medicines Evaluation Agency said it was aware of the cases.
But it said there was no evidence there was a direct link between Tamiflu and the teenagers' suicides, and said flu itself could lead to delusions.
Tamiflu, the main weapon against a flu pandemic, is being stockpiled by governments including the UK's.
RIP Virgin Airways :(
That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.
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Devils Islander
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Posted - 11/15/2005 : 11:20:25
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I saw a chicken with two heads. 
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
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Posted - 11/15/2005 : 14:10:39
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quote:
Originally posted by Frank Lee
A lot of people take me very seriously…by-the-way, most of the rules you have been trained to play by are designed to make sure you lose the game and keeping you at play and away from serious issues is one of those rules.
I see the keep em dumb and keep em down folks are still pretty good at what they do.
I understand the points you're trying to make and all but really: what on earth are you talking about here?
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/15/2005 : 14:14:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Frank Lee
Are we paying attention to this issue?
I hope we are!
Updated: 1:20 a.m. ET Nov. 13, 2005
HANOI - Scientists in Vietnam, where bird flu has killed 42 people,
said the deadly H5N1 influenza virus had mutated into a more dangerous form
that could breed more effectively in mammals, state media reported on Sunday. The online newspaper Vnexpress quoted Cao Bao Van, director of the Molecule Biology Department of the Pasteur Institute, Vietnam’s center of bird flu research as saying the decoding of 24 samples of the virus taken from poultry and humans showed significant antigen variation. An antigen is any foreign substance that stimulates the body’s immune system to produce antibodies
Frank Lee, my dear, I don't give a damn.
(sorry all)
That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 11/15/2005 : 14:19:46
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It's so good to have you back, Llamasteve.
I got some heaven in my head
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starmekitten
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/15/2005 : 14:21:49
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ah llama, I chuckled
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
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Posted - 11/15/2005 : 14:34:55
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He's so good with those clever words, ain't he, kitty?
I got some heaven in my head
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 11/15/2005 : 14:35:43
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does Frank have the flu?
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Avian Influenza Has Mutated
