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lonely persuader
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
488 Posts |
 Posted - 10/10/2005 : 08:19:32
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Ive read some of the other stuff about the album...
Im not gonna start a rant but I think there are a few obvious flaws with the album?
Firstly to be honest the song writing is good but i think some of the lyrics are weak, just did'nt give em the time. he has been saying recently that you don't have to produce an amazing album on every outing or something like that, but he does seem to leave stuff that he could easily improve upon.....
1. good song, lyrics and playing
2. don't like when he reverses the line to "today, i burn"... its cheasy.. "no snow on me and so he said thence forth", he was streaching there and he knows it...
3. just poor lyrics in some parts (near begining)
4. not a great song.
5. he's not able to sing this type of song.
6. up beat, nice, i guess no obviously bad lyrics, and his singing is
good. reminds me of someone else.
7. grand
8. sorry but Jean's voice is bad. Song is corn-y. worst song on album.
9. pretty good, one of the best songs and suited to his voice.
10. also very good, one good quirky number, and i must say the intro is class. If the album was full of these strange dark numbers it would be very good. his voice is too high on this song however. lyrics are also good thought.
11. near the best song on the album. Till it ends. Lyrics and music are class in the begining. Till the slow bit at the end which is just god' damn wrong. How many syllabels does he try to queeze into the lines at the end "i believe in your place in the sun", "can we have a little fun", too many syllables to make them sound any way right..
12. back on track again. good song. lyrics are good again.
13. ok, i guess.
14. nice song. begins like "everything is new" from SMYT. like a sister song of that one. lyrics are good.
I personally hate when there are lazy lyrics in a song. Most of the chord progressions are borrowed from old songs of his of are just standard...
ok, lynch me now.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 10/10/2005 : 08:46:23
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Well you're a bit harsh but I kinda agree on some points. Mainly I think you're spot on for one thing: the best songs are all squeezed at the end of the CD, and I still can't understand why he changed the song order from the leaked version. It flew soooo much better. Actually I'll burn the CD with the old tracklisting and stop listening to the actual album.
I don't have any problem with the lyrics; he's done much worse (think "Why do I hate you?/That's because I am full of it/If all your dreams came true/Then you must be completely full of it"). I like the lyrics on Lone Child.
Denis
"You know what? You know what? You know what? Shut the fuck up!" |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1485 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2005 : 10:29:56
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| I think the shrimps in the inside artwork could have been placed a little better, I mean the c'mon, doesn't he care anymore? |
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Nemesis
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Posted - 10/10/2005 : 12:07:54
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| With the possible exception of V****t, all of the songs on Honeycomb - both lyrics and tunes are top notch; of that there can be no doubt. But for some unfathomable reason, maybe the slick musicianship - this album just doesn't seem to rock. Now if the album had been recorded with The Catholics... |
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2005 : 17:13:43
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My problem is with his voice. He either doesn't try hard enough to sound nice
(Violet) or he overdoes it (Dark End of the Street). We know he can do mellow
songs, on Los Angeles and a lot of Bossanova his voice has never been more
beautiful, but Dark End of the Street, Honeycomb ect. is a different matter.
Forget Jean Black, the most amateurish vocal performance on the record is the
title track.
Songs like Violet and My Favourite Kiss on SMYT just seem to have no effort
put into the vocals. Sing it Frank, and not so deep! |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1485 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2005 : 17:23:00
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| I'm telling you, the shrimp. It all goes back to the shrimp! |
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Someone
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Posted - 10/10/2005 : 23:58:15
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Heywood, you are so right about those damn shrimp.
I think the album is a'ight. My only real complaint is there is no rockin. it could have used one or two more songs with just a little energy. Go find your saint almost rocks. Its still a great song though.
I think this next albums gonna be great though. Tiven's description has got me excited. |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2005 : 00:46:45
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i wouldn't be that harsh, but here arer my 50p why honeycomb doesn't really do it for me: i'm just not ready for mellowness. every frank album, from pilgrim up to smyt, was everything but mellow. frank's songs were always short & with a lot of going up/down/left/right, jumping around. just not mellow.
i guess that's why i also only really love "atom" & "honeycomb" from honeycomb. they go in that direction, especially the first one. i would rank "atom" among my fave 5 of all fran songs.
i disagree about the flawness of the lyrics. i think the whole album has overall very strong & good lyrics.
however, i think including three covers was too much. "dark end" is a good song, curiously enough i would love it as a frank original, but i think it was a rather bad choice for a cover. can't even tell why, it just makes me uncomfortable when he sings it.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 10/12/2005 : 01:51:12
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Personally, if it was someone else I would probably say many songs are cool, namely Selkie Bride, Sing for Joy, Lone Child.
But this is Frank Black, the genius. The only song that is really up there with Two Spaces, Superabound, Farewell Bend or His Kingly Cave is Honeycomb.
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
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velvety
= Cult of Ray =
Portugal
536 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2005 : 03:45:49
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Originally posted by two reelers
i wouldn't be that harsh, but here arer my 50p why honeycomb doesn't really do it for me: i'm just not ready for mellowness. every frank album, from pilgrim up to smyt, was everything but mellow.
Nadine and maybe Massif Central aren't mellow, yes. Nadine is one of the best rock songs Frank has ever written, similar to Rock Music, Subbacultcha or The Marsist in terms of generating excitment and getting people to shout out "HOLY SHIT!" when first listening to the song.
Apart from that, I don't really see why SMYT is "everything but mellow". Most of the album songs are very mellow and follows the same direction as Honeycomb. And SMYT, like most of the Catholics output, is very uneaven.
I don't mind Honeycomb being mellow at all, when I can listen to that album over and over, something I haven't been able to do since the FB-TOTY era. |
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2008 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2005 : 04:37:33
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2005 : 07:29:04
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I agree that the last few Catholics albums have been bordering on the mellow, country-tinged, rootsy stuff that dominates Honeycomb. Granted, there are the occasional harder rock songs, but they were no longer the norm. It seems to me that the Catholics era can be divided into two distinct periods: Raw Rock (FB&C's, Pistolero) and Rootsy Stuff (DITS through SMYT). Of course, that's simplifying it somewhat, and being a bit dismissive toward both periods, but I still think SMYT is probably closer in style to Honeycomb than to Pistolero.
By the way, am I the only one here who doesn't much care for "Lone Child"? I used to think "Sing For Joy" was a bit overrated as well, but I'm starting to appreciate that one more.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
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Posted - 10/12/2005 : 07:56:11
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Originally posted by velvety
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Originally posted by two reelers
i wouldn't be that harsh, but here arer my 50p why honeycomb doesn't really do it for me: i'm just not ready for mellowness. every frank album, from pilgrim up to smyt, was everything but mellow.
Apart from that, I don't really see why SMYT is "everything but mellow". Most of the album songs are very mellow and follows the same direction as Honeycomb. And SMYT, like most of the Catholics output, is very uneaven.
TOTY era.
hmhm...no, i disagree. i wouldn't say manitoba or everything is new is as mellow as sing for you & or selki bride. maybe it is more the sound, which makes the difference. a lot of dominant solo guitars on smyt. and apart from the sound, maybe it is the not-so-much-up-temponess of honeycomb.
or in other words: i don't feel the same tension in honeycomb songs as in other FB-songs (except: atom & title track). maybe "relaxed" or "laid-back" are better words then "mellow".
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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FrankfanL
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USA
98 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2005 : 12:55:22
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Originally posted by Nemesis
With the possible exception of V****t, all of the songs on Honeycomb - both lyrics and tunes are top notch; of that there can be no doubt. But for some unfathomable reason, maybe the slick musicianship - this album just doesn't seem to rock. Now if the album had been recorded with The Catholics...
I couldn't agree more, Nemesis. The non-rockness of the cd just dosen't deliver. Also disappointed there were no lyrics--with the exception of "Honeycomb"--I need to read Frank's lyrics!!! |
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