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SPINternerd
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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 Posted - 09/27/2005 : 14:18:58
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Muchisimas gracias
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Crispy Water
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
819 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2005 : 14:34:37
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Frankus making a political comment? Don't see that every day.
Nothing is ever something. |
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2005 : 03:19:41
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Great commentaire about Bryan Ferry!!
Back in 93, I liked the fact that Frank Black said he was rather "concervative", without being ashamed of it.
It's honnest for an artist to say he is more on the right wing. Honnest and frank.
Artist who earn money with their art are by definition on the right wing.
Trying to please peoploids like that ugly Bono... Brr... Gimme some good old torch songs!!!
I laugh at people who pretend they are on the left wing in general. I bet they would never share the little money they have and do not hesitate to be dependent of the state they criticize so well.
At least just say you're not interested.
Note: I live in France.
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2005 : 04:03:32
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"everyone who isn't a liberal at the age of 20, has no heart, and everyone who isn't a conservative at the age of 40, is a fool." - winston churchill
so far the best statement on left/right/politics/whatsoever, imo.
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band |
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2005 : 04:46:48
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Yeah!
A droite toute!
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/28/2005 : 07:55:52
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Back in 93, I liked the fact that Frank Black said he was rather "concervative", without being ashamed of it.
Conservative in what way, though? The word can mean a lot of different things. Certainly, in a lot of the world, conservatism is linked with nationalism, which Frank comes out against in the Spin article.
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Artist who earn money with their art are by definition on the right wing.
I don't see how that follows. I think a fair case could even be made in the exact opposite direction, since supporting the arts is often considered to be a left-wing position. Hardcore conservatives might argue that being a musician isn't a real job.
Certainly, a conservative viewpoint is often associated with a love of money above all else. But wanting to make money doesn't necessarily indicate mammonism. As a general rule, people need money to survive, even if they think there are more important things in life.
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I laugh at people who pretend they are on the left wing in general. I bet they would never share the little money they have and do not hesitate to be dependent of the state they criticize so well.
My opinions on this matter are somewhat mixed. I agree that it can be somewhat hypocritical for a rich person to complain about the economic divide. On the other hand, there's only so much one person can do. As long as you pay your taxes and contribute to the occasional worthy cause, I don't think you're a horrible traitor to the left wing for being rich.
I think part of it is the difference between idealism and realism. Pretty much everyone has their own idea as to what the world should be like, and possibly COULD be like, if enough other people were to go along with it. On the other hand, we also realize that we live in a world that is very resistant to change, and we can't change the world on our own. I definitely believe that wealth should be distributed more evenly, but I think that's a change that obviously can't be made overnight. I support steps in the right direction (say, government programs to help the unemployed find jobs), while opposing what I perceive as backwards steps (like, say, tax cuts for the rich). But I don't think we can just redistribute the world's wealth overnight.
As for criticizing the government, I see nothing wrong with pointing out what they do wrong, while acknowledging and taking advantage of the few things they do right.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2005 : 08:00:59
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If I turn right wing at 40, someone please shoot me in the head.
Denis
"We brush our teeth with tequila." - Guitar Wolf |
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2005 : 08:33:36
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EDUCATION is the key.
Give a REAL possibility to individuals to be equal.
Equality through UTTER SUBMISSION to a REAL EFFECTIVE CULTURAL AND POLITICAL POWER.
Feed me Provider.!. Gimme horns and red velvet!
Nutnutnutnut!
Vilainde, en attendant ne te tire pas une balle dans le pied avec de fausses considérations auto-apaisantes et pseudo-humanistes!
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/28/2005 : 09:02:22
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Originally posted by hWolsky
Great commentaire about Bryan Ferry!!
Back in 93, I liked the fact that Frank Black said he was rather "concervative", without being ashamed of it.
It's honnest for an artist to say he is more on the right wing. Honnest and frank.
In the English language, the word "conservative" doesn't necessarily have to describe a political position.
"Conservative" can just mean a respect for tradition. It can also mean a certain tasteful restraint (one can dress conservatively, for example). |
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
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Posted - 09/28/2005 : 09:13:43
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Originally posted by hWolsky
I laugh at people who pretend they are on the left wing in general. I bet they would never share the little money they have and do not hesitate to be dependent of the state they criticize so well.
As far as I know, the right is - and has always been - more anti-state than the left..
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"In the magnificent fierce morning of New Mexico, one sprang awake, a new part of the soul woke up suddenly and the old world gave way to the new." - D. H. Lawrence
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Teafer
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Posted - 09/28/2005 : 09:38:41
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Originally posted by hWolsky
Yeah!
A droite toute!
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m'étonne pas de toi ca petit facho merdeux. J'aurais pas du me dégonfler et t'envoyer le betar finalement.
Sortir des trucs comme "I laugh at people who pretend they are on the left wing in general. I bet they would never share the little money they have and do not hesitate to be dependent of the state they criticize so well." sent bien son poujadisme crasseux, le sens politique des ignares qui se soulagent par la bouche. Et quelle finesse d'analyse, quel sens quasi surnaturel des ressources de la psyche humaine, quel sens de l'histoire surtout.
Prochain concert de frank à paname, je te trouve, je te casse en deux.
Mon salut sur vous.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 09/28/2005 : 12:16:48
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Originally posted by Jason
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Originally posted by hWolsky
Great commentaire about Bryan Ferry!!
Back in 93, I liked the fact that Frank Black said he was rather "concervative", without being ashamed of it.
It's honnest for an artist to say he is more on the right wing. Honnest and frank.
In the English language, the word "conservative" doesn't necessarily have to describe a political position.
"Conservative" can just mean a respect for tradition. It can also mean a certain tasteful restraint (one can dress conservatively, for example).
Yes. I'm conservative. I like traditions, believe strongly in social rules and manners, and I lead a rather quiet and boring life. But, politically I'm a hardcore liberal.
Frank Black saying he's conservative, doesn't necessarily mean he's a Republican or of that political bent. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2005 : 14:46:43
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It can also mean a certain tasteful restraint (one can dress conservatively, for example).
Yes, but "conservative dress" on men doesn't usually include eyeliner. ;)
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 09/28/2005 : 20:00:53
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cool!!! what a great interview. i have been so busy not much time for fb.net...but have been listening to fb alot.. but this was just the fix I needed. Thanks!!!!
"I ain't goin to be what I ain't" |
Edited by - Daisy Girl on 09/30/2005 23:07:12 |
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2005 : 00:11:23
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Originally posted by Teafer
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Originally posted by hWolsky
Yeah!
A droite toute!
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m'étonne pas de toi ca petit facho merdeux. J'aurais pas du me dégonfler et t'envoyer le betar finalement.
Sortir des trucs comme "I laugh at people who pretend they are on the left wing in general. I bet they would never share the little money they have and do not hesitate to be dependent of the state they criticize so well." sent bien son poujadisme crasseux, le sens politique des ignares qui se soulagent par la bouche. Et quelle finesse d'analyse, quel sens quasi surnaturel des ressources de la psyche humaine, quel sens de l'histoire surtout.
Prochain concert de frank à paname, je te trouve, je te casse en deux.
Mon salut sur vous.
Pfff...
Encore toi! T'as pas fini oui!!
Tu peux pas laisser les gens en paix !!
Toujours pas d'humour! Pas de sens de la provoc! T'as vraiment un problème!
Liberté d'expression.
Je vote pas, je suis plutôt concervateur, et alors??? Je veux pas me leurer, j'ai pas la force et le courage de sauver le monde des bien pensant qui ne peuvent s'expreimer que par la menace!!!. Et j'aime bien faire le pitre sur un forum bidon! Okay...
Maintenant leave-me alone, merci!!
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2005 : 00:36:46
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Eh! Guillaume T......, j'ai lu tes posts précédents...
T'arrête pas d'agrésser les gens, tu es toujours violent dans tes propos, tu craints...
Tu devrais te calmer serieusement, c'est toi qui risque d'avoir des problèmes.
Collectionne quelque chose, je sais pas quoi!
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Flairicho2
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Posted - 09/30/2005 : 20:38:29
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Frank said he was conservative in 1993, which doesn't mean he is now because conservative means something different now than it did then. The definition has moved to the right quite a ways.
It's all rather confusing anyway. George W. Bush is considered to be a conservative but look at his spending habits. I think one can be socially conservative without being fiscally conservative or vice versa. I am fiscally conservative but socially liberal for example. And then there is the matter of conservation and being a conservationist. "Conservationist" these days means the opposite of "conservative" ... what up with that? They used to be the same. Ask Teddy Roosevelt.
Back to Frank, I think a song like "Monkey Gone" paints him as a conservationist. Not a conservative. But that was 1989. He could have changed since then, just as he could have changed since 1993.
His comment about chauvinistic nationalism -- or jingoism, as we call it -- certainly would seem to suggest he ain't down with G.W., who makes jingoism his favorite fucking pastime.
Maybe THE MAN will drop by and enlighten us to where he truly lies on the political spectrum.
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Ziggy
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/01/2005 : 08:53:28
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I loved his response on the forum when asked who he'd be voting for, along the lines of
"Charles votes, Frank doesn't"
It's a private matter, isn't it? |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 10/01/2005 : 09:01:29
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only if you want it to be, which is fair enough.
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2005 : 09:55:00
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Frank voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. He has said so.
Conservative means the same thing(s) now that it meant in 1993. It is a very common way of describing non-flamboyance/tastefulness/restraint.
In 2005, a man in a gray suit and striped tie or a woman in a beige pantsuit could be described as dressing conservatively.
In 2005, you might hear someone on the news give a conservative estimate (meaning less severe/large than it could potentially be) of how many people were killed in a hurricane.
In 2005, someone might invest money conservatively (in a sure thing like savings bonds or something) rather than taking the risk of investing it in a new business or a stock.
In 2005, someone looking for a loan might borrow money conservatively (borrow as little as possible).
In 2005, someone might want a conservative amount of hot fudge on their sundae or take a conservative dosage of a medication or apply a conservative amount of detergent to their laundry. This means amounts that are as little as possible (as opposed to liberal amounts, which would larger than normal.)
Frank Black lives quietly, reads a lot, doesn't do or say outrageous things to get attention, is well-known for nothing but making music (as opposed to being known for legal troubles or for playing a part in a scandal), probably isn't a drug addict, probably doesn't go skydiving, and probably doesn't wrestle alligators as a hobby.
Sounds fairly conservative to me. |
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2005 : 07:21:03
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Kay, now, dear friends, go change the world, GO FOR IT!!!!
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 23:36:53
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I couldn't agree more:
How about the worst?
Nationalistic chauvinism. Everyone knowing history and the world and the world being a smaller place and it's all connected and blah blah blah. And I'm not against culture, I'm not saying that. I'm into culture, totally to the max. It just seems to me that too many people are uptight about what country they're from and what that means to them. It does more harm than good. It seems like people should be less loyal, less into flags, and loyal to something else. The whole concept of sovereignty is eroding anyway and clinging to it is gonna have a lot of negative effects, the most obvious being war.
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God save the Noisies |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2005 : 08:19:03
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| 'Extras'? Even if you count that little interview, it's only one 'extra'! :) |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2005 : 06:19:29
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What? You didn't get the coupon for 50 cents off at Taco Bell?
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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CindyPantz
- FB Fan -
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2005 : 21:49:29
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Oooooh thanks for the link. I haven't read anything about Frank Black in so long I was going into shock!!  |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2005 : 13:23:38
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Originally posted by VoVat
What? You didn't get the coupon for 50 cents off at Taco Bell?
What's that?! 50 Pence is off to Taco Bell?!
Hi, CindyPantz!!  |
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FRANK BLACK EXTRAS ON SPIN.COM!!!
