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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
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 Posted - 08/18/2005 : 05:52:44
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Here is a place where you can defend a record you feel has been poorly treated by the press, or trashed by people on this board, or was a commercial flop for an unfair reason.
I choose:
Jimmy Eat World - Bleed American
This record spawned a hit single in the US, "The Middle," and was then written off as a commercial, teeny-bop record. This is flat out wrong. There are some of the strongest pop/rock songs of the decade on this album, whether it be "Sweetness," "Your House," "A Praise Chorus," or "The Authority Song." Plus the album has some darker material, especially "Get It Faster" and "Cautioners."
However, the real gem of the record is "If You Don't, Don't" which is not only sublimely catchy, but also has a great lyric and some fantasic background vocals.
So...what is the record you would like to defend?
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 05:55:39
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I loved Hear You Me off that album, I could listen to it all day.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 05:57:06
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Bring your trash talk right here. I will defend any of these masterpieces.
Added to silence Denis' silliness:
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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callahan
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 06:12:14
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Good topic for a thread!
There are so many to choose from. I guess I would go with this one:
This album came out about three years ago. The two albums before it were hailed as brilliant masterpieces. Now, I admit that this album was not nearly as good as the two previous. But, at first critics loved Nocturama. They all made it sound like he was returning to his original sound when he fronted The Birthday Party. Upon its release fans were very disappointed some went so far as to say Nick had lost it. He would never put out a great album again. Suddenly even the critics turned on the album.
This album was not, in my opinion as bad as people made it out to be. In comparison, it may have been weaker than some of Nick's work, but it's still better than almost anything out there these days! It's not one that I necessarily reach for on a daily basis, but the album has its good moments.
I passed a cow and the cow was brown. My pyjamas clung to me like a shroud! Like a shroud! |
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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 06:18:12
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GREAT topic - now where the hell do I start?
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2010 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 06:24:14
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Originally posted by kathryn
Bring your trash talk right here. I will defend any of these masterpieces.
FBST is not unappreciated.
Pistolero is. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 06:25:17
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but Pistolero isn't good.
Denis
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 06:34:01
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Let's make this non-FB defend a record
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 06:35:34
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OK. But that thread needs to be created. Wanna do the honors and I'll delete my Frank from this one? (Ah, the irony that we would veer on-topic in general chat.)
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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callahan
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 06:39:10
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Oh come on! This is a good topic. It can be done. I have faith! Convince me that one of the worst albums in your collection is good!
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
2873 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 06:48:47
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I have enough balls to defend this:
Come on! Who's the first?
El amor es la distancia más larga entre un punto y otro |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 06:49:21
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Me. It's not that I don't get her music, it's that her music sucks.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
2873 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 06:55:35
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You haven't loved or been loved.
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callahan
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 06:55:46
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OK, here's another one:
Sure, they kind of turned into buffoons. You can even rent them out for parties now. But this album kicked some ass! I still put it on at high volumes. Of course, I'm usually drunk when I do that. But it's a really fun album.
I passed a cow and the cow was brown. My pyjamas clung to me like a shroud! Like a shroud! |
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 07:06:54
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Never heard of a band named "This Image Is Unavailable".
Or is that the title of the record?
I jumped on the Frank Black Bandwagon/'Cause Pixies are so 2004 |
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callahan
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 07:13:13
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Originally posted by jediroller
Never heard of a band named "This Image Is Unavailable".
Or is that the title of the record?
I jumped on the Frank Black Bandwagon/'Cause Pixies are so 2004
Are you replying to me? Strange. I can see it. In any case the album is Cheap Trick at Budokan...
I passed a cow and the cow was brown. My pyjamas clung to me like a shroud! Like a shroud! |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
8201 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 07:29:52
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That album's ace, don't knock it. Its one of the best live albums out there.
How's that for a slice of fried gold? |
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callahan
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 07:32:14
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
That album's ace, don't knock it. Its one of the best live albums out there.
How's that for a slice of fried gold?
Agreed!
I passed a cow and the cow was brown. My pyjamas clung to me like a shroud! Like a shroud! |
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
2873 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 07:34:11
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This site is full of chickens 
El amor es la distancia más larga entre un punto y otro |
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 07:35:27
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As good, if not better than the first "famous" album. A highly underrated band overall really.
Join the cult of / We rip off the logo of Moog
www.myspace.com/doog - www.doog.tk |
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
2715 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 07:46:04
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When will Lyle Workman find Frank again? |
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callahan
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 08:01:32
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Originally posted by whoreatthedoor
This site is full of chickens
El amor es la distancia má³ larga entre un punto y otro
Labb grown?
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1718 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 08:03:23
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Sorry, Callahan, yes, that was to you. Thanks for clarifying. I've never knowingly heard a single note by Cheap Trick.
Froggy, you know Brian said "no FB please". And don't try to make anyone believe you want to defend Pistolero!
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Crispy Water
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
819 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 08:03:41
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Originally posted by Doog
As good, if not better than the first "famous" album. A highly underrated band overall really.
Agreed on all counts. Love them. The one they put out this year is good too, I heard it from a friend and it was most impressive.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 08:04:50
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Jediroller, I am mailing you boatloads of Cheap Trick my friend. Hour after hour of Cheap Trick goodness.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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callahan
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Posted - 08/18/2005 : 08:07:13
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Originally posted by kathryn
Jediroller, I am mailing you boatloads of Cheap Trick my friend. Hour after hour of Cheap Trick goodness.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
Ha! Or, we could start a fund and rent them out for him.
I passed a cow and the cow was brown. My pyjamas clung to me like a shroud! Like a shroud! |
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
1264 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 08:11:39
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wilhelm
We've gone on holiday by mistake. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 08:14:00
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Originally posted by offerw
wilhelm
We've gone on holiday by mistake.
How about defending Mode, as you like to call them?
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
1264 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 08:27:04
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Ugh! You saw. It should've been the Mode. Hey, Frank called them so. And he likes them too.
So there.
wilhelm
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1718 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 08:28:45
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I bought that ABBA LP when it came out.
*Goes looking for the "Most Embarrassing Moments" thread*
Kiki, thanks a lot. I guess soulseek could do the trick for me. Ha ha.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 08:30:21
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Wilhelm, you lie. Frank did not call them so.
Jediroller, I heart ABBA. I bought all their LPs when they came out. And they were LPs then.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 09:42:38
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Guided By Voices - Do The Collapse
This album is maligned by everyone. Critics, fans, I'm sure even old Uncle Bob sometimes has second thoughts about this one. It is the black sheep of his ample catalogue, and it sticks out for a few reasons:
1 - The Sell Out - This album saw the indie kings jump from venerable Matador Records to major label TVT Records, best known for their stable of "crunk" artists (Lil Jon, Ying Yang Twins), hard rock (Sevendust) and soundtracks (a GbV song from this album, Teenage FBI, appears on the Buffy the Vampire Slayer Sdntk). Bob (and TVT) felt it was time GbV had a 'hit', and that a major label push was the way to do it. Hard core fans cried, Matardor buffs scoffed and critics were slightly amused. The godfathers of lo-fi on a major?
2 - The Production- One of Bob's heroes from the 80s, Ric Ocasek of the Cars, manned the knobs for this one (he also did Weezer's first record). Ric Rule #1 - no drinking in the studio. Now know this: Bob and beer go together. When GbV hit the stage, it's usually with a cooler full of booze, and it's usually gone by the end of the night. Bob always claimed stage fright as his reason for having a few, and he liked to imbibe a bit in the studio as well, to keep things loose and fun. Bob respected Ric's wishes, and some say the recording suffered, and feeling sterile and bland.
Ric Rule #2 - Keyboards. That famous Cars new wave sound makes an appearance on DTC, as Ric added layers of keyboards to many of the tracks, including the aforementioned 'Teenage FBI', which is actually an old b-side, and was a typicaly lofi, simple GbV rocker. It kicks off the album with a strange sort of pulsing beat, and lets all know that this ain't your grandma's Guided By Voices.
3 - The Songs - Many, fans included, felt this was Bob's weakest collection of songs to date. Taking into account the questinable production, critics felt these songs simply weren't up to par. Part of the appeal of a typical GbV song, they argued, was the arena-rock-in-the-basement quality they had, and these glossed up, arena ready versions simply didn't live up to what one imagined all those lofi gems could be.
4 - Hold On Hope - One of the only songs Bob has ever come close to regreting (this man has commited nearly 1000 songs to tape, and released them). The first single, the tear jerking ballad, the song most often maligned by the GbV faithful. TVT actually requested a re-edit or re-write of this song to make it more commercial and palatable, but Bob refused. Some of the lyrics are a bit syrupy ("everyone's gotta hold on hope, it's the last thing that's holding me"). For a man known for his brilliantly oblique and surreal lyrics, this was so plaintive it was odd. Like Frank showing us his tears, it was strange to hear words you didn't have to decode come out of Bob's mouth.
So the those are the major issues, though people even slam the artwork on this record (Bob usually does the covers and layout, but some professional types at TVT did the work here). Personally, I heard this record in my shell, removed from all the criticism and fan dismay, and I loved it. Already a huge GbV fan, I spun this record day in day out. Sure, it was a deperature sound wise. It was cleaner, more produced, and "bigger" sounding than anything before. This isn't necessarily bad, though I can see how it would rub some people the wrong way. As for the keyboards, they're only really obvious on one or two songs, and in my opinion they don't ruin those songs at all. Bob taking a shot at the big time? After nearly 20 years putting out albums, paying his dues, he deserved a shot at some coin for his labours (like our man Frank). It didn't happen; sales increased a bit, but there was no hit single, and after one more record on TVT (the acclaimed 'Isolation Drills', Bob's 'Show Me Your Tears', ie. divorce album), GbV triumphantly returned to Matador in 2002 for their final 3 records.
I like all of the songs on Do the Collapse (some more than others), I like the production, I like Hold On Hope, and I think DtC contains at least a few songs that are classics and should be included in any GbV comp. So I will defend this record to the death. It's not my fave Bob thang (though I really couldn't choose), and it's not where I would suggest someone start with GbV, but this record does not deserve the criticism it receives.
Edited to add:
Here's a little comparison, so my poetic words have more meaning:
Teenage FBI (live at CBC studios, sounding much like the original b-side version)
http://www.gbv.com/sounds/FBI.mp3
Teenage FBI (album version, feat. Ric Ocasek and his wacky keyboards!)
http://www.gbv.com/sounds/Teenage_FBI.mp3
and you are ill prepared to fight
living in a world of soft and white
in air conditioned battle zones
I pity you!
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 11:02:14
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speedy, what the hell is that on the album cover?
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 11:24:54
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speedy, that is EXACTLY what i hoped for when i started the thread - well thought out defenses of unbeloved records - you rule!
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 12:13:30
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k - that's a cubed car. Looks like some little British number.
Brain - thanks man! I was afraid that was a bit long winded and no one would read it. I still think so, but as long as YOU like it, I'm down!
and you are ill prepared to fight
living in a world of soft and white
in air conditioned battle zones
I pity you!
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 12:21:04
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Here's a little comparison, so my poetic words have more meaning:
Teenage FBI (live at CBC studios, sounding much like the original b-side version)
http://www.gbv.com/sounds/FBI.mp3
Teenage FBI (album version, feat. Ric Ocasek and his wacky keyboards!)
http://www.gbv.com/sounds/Teenage_FBI.mp3
and you are ill prepared to fight
living in a world of soft and white
in air conditioned battle zones
I pity you!
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