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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
 Posted - 08/18/2005 : 14:04:38
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I LOVE Hold On Hope, despite it's cheese factor.
I also like Bleed American. Good choices Mike2 and Brian.
Le me think about mine.
 I'd walk her everyday, into a shady place
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2005 : 14:16:44
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Interesting six-degrees type connection:
Jimmy Ear World did a cover of "Game of Pricks" by Guided By Voices.
and you are ill prepared to fight
living in a world of soft and white
in air conditioned battle zones
I pity you!
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
1264 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 00:14:22
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ABBA - The Visitors
"I hear the doorbell ring and suddenly the panic takes me. The sound so ominously tearing through the silence"
I had grown up in a house with teenage sisters endlessly playing ABBA records. When The Visitors came out in '81 they played it a few times and said it was "weird". I liked the "weird" sound of the first song's vocals, she sounded freaked out and paranoid. The song Two For One I percieved as a song about a guy getting two whores for the price of one. I was intrigued. Ok listening to it today it doesn't sound that weird at all but up untill that point I had only heard ABBA, Bee Gees, Diamond, Sinatra and ELO.
Listening to it today there are some fine songs on this record, When All Is Said And Done and The Day Before You Came really excellent.
Duran Duran - Rio.
Ok, I cannot really defend this band as they were awfull. Chart topping pop songs from the eighties. When I hear these songs being played somewhere I enjoy them. Don't know why.
wilhelm
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
2873 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 00:28:27
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Now I here you. ABBA and Duran Duran. This is real courage.
El amor es la distancia más larga entre un punto y otro |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7442 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 01:05:01
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I didn't really know Duran Duran until very recently. I downloaded a couple of their songs and some of them were quite good actually. Rio is a great song IMO. I've never heard the whole album though.
Denis
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 02:22:53
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Courage schmourage.
I'll defend this album:
I'm not able to defend its little brother (TM2) but this album has one of Bowie's best songs of all time on it called 'I Can't Read'.
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 04:02:29
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Boys, boys, boys. I can and will defend Duran Duran and Tin Machine 2.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 04:07:21
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Develop interest in life as you see it; in people, things, literature, music -- the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself. |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 04:10:57
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The Bee Gees sountrack to the Sgt Pepper movie.
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Develop interest in life as you see it; in people, things, literature, music -- the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself. |
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 04:13:47
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Originally posted by kathryn
Boys, boys, boys. I can and will defend Duran Duran and Tin Machine 2.
Ok, TM2 has 'Goodbye Mr Ed' and 'Baby Universal' which are both masterly songs.
but 'One Shot'? and 'Shopping for Girls'?
Arrgh.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7442 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 04:44:04
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Originally posted by kathryn
Boys, boys, boys. I can and will defend Duran Duran and Tin Machine 2.
Are you trying to defend Sabrina's Boys Boys Boys?
Denis
"We brush our teeth with tequila." - Guitar Wolf |
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
2873 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 04:47:19
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quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
Are you trying to defend Sabrina's Boys Boys Boys?
Denis
"We brush our teeth with tequila." - Guitar Wolf
The perfect pop song.
I mean... nice tits.
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7442 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 05:03:33
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and she's quite proud of them, ain't she?
Denis
"We brush our teeth with tequila." - Guitar Wolf |
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
2873 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 05:18:00
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You meant "She was", I guess.
I don't want to imagine how they would look nowadays.
El amor es la distancia más larga entre un punto y otro |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7442 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 05:31:24
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Ha! Yeah, better not find out. Was she famous in the USA?
Denis
"We brush our teeth with tequila." - Guitar Wolf |
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
2873 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 05:35:16
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I think she was a very local phenomenon (phenomenon, an amusing word to refer to that).
El amor es la distancia más larga entre un punto y otro |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 05:36:00
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I'm talking about Duran Duran, boys.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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whoreatthedoor
> Teenager of the Year <
Spain
2873 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 05:40:44
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http://www.sabrinasalerno.com
She was 20 at the time of "Boys". She's only 37 now.
An indie pioneer :)
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edwina
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
179 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2005 : 05:42:55
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Originally posted by whoreatthedoor
I think she was a very local phenomenon (phenomenon, an amusing word to refer to that).
El amor es la distancia más larga entre un punto y otro
I don't know about the US, but Sabrina Salerno was massive in Italy too, in the '80s- for obvious reasons. Later on she even went into acting, but with no great success.
"Boys boys boys, I'm looking for a good time"
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5155 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2005 : 08:09:48
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Stone Temple Pilots - Tiny Music...Songs From The Vatican Giftshop
People dismiss STP as Pearl Jam soundalikes (and on "Plush" they did). But for two albums, their second album, Purple, and this one, they really pushed the eras modern rock sound to a new place.
This album does have some filler (the opening, "Press Play"), but their sense of adventurism is really interesting for such a successful band. "Big Bang Baby" is a perfect slice of power-pop, "And So I Know" borders on bossanova, and Weiland's "Tumble in the Rough" is really a great piece of simple rock and roll. But the real kickers are the instrumental "Daisy" which is just a simple two guitar piece and the angular "Art School Girlfriend." This is NOT the record you would expect from a multi-platinum band in the mid 90s.
Anyone else think they got a shit deal? Of course they fucked everything up and totally ruined any good things they did on this record, but that is besides the point.
-Brian
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1485 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2005 : 10:43:06
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2005 : 12:53:33
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Maybe I should defend Honeycomb. I don't feel like it, though.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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soyuber
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USA
53 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2005 : 09:54:46
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Barenaked Ladies - Rock Spectacle
Yeah, Barenaked Ladies. I know their new stuff is a bit trash, but this live album is worthy of praise. I think it's the accordian.
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Who's gonna turn down a Junior Mint? It's chocolate, it's peppermint, it's delicious! it's very refreshing! |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2005 : 10:01:39
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Originally posted by HeywoodJablome
Pretty much any Rush album. I know they are considered ass monkey prog rock with their laughably mystical Dungeons & Dragons lyrics by most, but going to their shows as a kid with my older brother has endeared them to me forever.
If it wasn't for Geddy Lee's voice...
The episode of Trailor Park Boys where Ricky kidnaps Alex Lifeson was mucho hilarious.
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ScottP
= Cult of Ray =
USA
618 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2005 : 10:22:57
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The first three Devo records. Still way ahead.
Early Soundgarden freaked me out when I first heard it.
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1485 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2005 : 11:26:13
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
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Originally posted by HeywoodJablome
Pretty much any Rush album. I know they are considered ass monkey prog rock with their laughably mystical Dungeons & Dragons lyrics by most, but going to their shows as a kid with my older brother has endeared them to me forever.
If it wasn't for Geddy Lee's voice...
The episode of Trailor Park Boys where Ricky kidnaps Alex Lifeson was mucho hilarious.
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Don't believe the hype.
Who are the Trailor Park Boys? And yeah Geddys' voice can be a little uh...falsetto shall we say.
And while I'm here I'll defend Van Halens' first album. A friend and myself listened to this a few days ago and it sounded worlds better than any current record I could think of. With songs like Jamies Cryin', Running w/the Devil and Atomic Punk it's a total classic. And the production is amazing, it sounds like they're playing in the middle of a field. Ted Templeton knew exactly how to record these guys, it's when Eddie and crew started producing their own records when the old VH stock took a nose dive. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2005 : 11:38:05
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Its a Canadian show that is super funny.
http://www.trailerparkboys.com/
I agree with you VH assessment.
Plus that record came out in 1978!
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winnipegwantsfrank
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Posted - 10/15/2005 : 17:49:39
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| Anyone who has not seen Trailer Park Boys must stop reading now and go find Seasons 1-4 on DVD! And there's a movie coming out next year too |
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
1972 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2005 : 22:33:10
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I know its probably kid of disturbing that I keep bringing up ELO, but i spent many a hour with headphones totally immersed in the quasi-futuristic, at times rather poorly put together world of the 1981 concept album 'Time'. Now, the songs are kitschy "...as i gaze around at this wreck of a town where people never speak aloud...with its ivory towers and its plastic flowers, i wish i was back in 1981." but i love it because its ELO and ELO will always be ear candy. I just listened to a bit of it last night actually. And so did my son...who said of 'Prologue', "thats...wierd...how do they do that?"
"Its called a vocoder..."
http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/e/electriclightorchestra-time.shtml |
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Crispy Water
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
819 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2005 : 15:53:08
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I just have to throw in support for Brian's submission of STP's Tiny Music. That one is just great; at the time one of my definite favourites, and still one I'm throwing on every now and again. A very memorable accomplishment shining through a catalogue I consider otherwise ho-hum.
Nothing is ever something. |
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HeywoodJablome
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1485 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2005 : 08:46:22
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| ELO is pretty sweet. Whats his name has some cool shades. "Barrrrrruce!" |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2005 : 09:20:17
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E L Fucking O RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Swimming in the heavy water, buried in the sand
Happy hearts fall from my shaking hands
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2005 : 08:49:03
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Compared to many contemporary almums this "fake Velvet Underground album" still remains the best imitation of the VU you can find today. Thanks Doug Yule!
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
1850 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2005 : 20:14:36
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Originally posted by speedy_m
Guided By Voices - Do The Collapse
This album is maligned by everyone. Critics, fans, I'm sure even old Uncle Bob sometimes has second thoughts about this one. It is the black sheep of his ample catalogue, and it sticks out for a few reasons:
1 - The Sell Out - This album saw the indie kings jump from venerable Matador Records to major label TVT Records, best known for their stable of "crunk" artists (Lil Jon, Ying Yang Twins), hard rock (Sevendust) and soundtracks (a GbV song from this album, Teenage FBI, appears on the Buffy the Vampire Slayer Sdntk). Bob (and TVT) felt it was time GbV had a 'hit', and that a major label push was the way to do it. Hard core fans cried, Matardor buffs scoffed and critics were slightly amused. The godfathers of lo-fi on a major?
2 - The Production- One of Bob's heroes from the 80s, Ric Ocasek of the Cars, manned the knobs for this one (he also did Weezer's first record). Ric Rule #1 - no drinking in the studio. Now know this: Bob and beer go together. When GbV hit the stage, it's usually with a cooler full of booze, and it's usually gone by the end of the night. Bob always claimed stage fright as his reason for having a few, and he liked to imbibe a bit in the studio as well, to keep things loose and fun. Bob respected Ric's wishes, and some say the recording suffered, and feeling sterile and bland.
Ric Rule #2 - Keyboards. That famous Cars new wave sound makes an appearance on DTC, as Ric added layers of keyboards to many of the tracks, including the aforementioned 'Teenage FBI', which is actually an old b-side, and was a typicaly lofi, simple GbV rocker. It kicks off the album with a strange sort of pulsing beat, and lets all know that this ain't your grandma's Guided By Voices.
3 - The Songs - Many, fans included, felt this was Bob's weakest collection of songs to date. Taking into account the questinable production, critics felt these songs simply weren't up to par. Part of the appeal of a typical GbV song, they argued, was the arena-rock-in-the-basement quality they had, and these glossed up, arena ready versions simply didn't live up to what one imagined all those lofi gems could be.
4 - Hold On Hope - One of the only songs Bob has ever come close to regreting (this man has commited nearly 1000 songs to tape, and released them). The first single, the tear jerking ballad, the song most often maligned by the GbV faithful. TVT actually requested a re-edit or re-write of this song to make it more commercial and palatable, but Bob refused. Some of the lyrics are a bit syrupy ("everyone's gotta hold on hope, it's the last thing that's holding me"). For a man known for his brilliantly oblique and surreal lyrics, this was so plaintive it was odd. Like Frank showing us his tears, it was strange to hear words you didn't have to decode come out of Bob's mouth.
So the those are the major issues, though people even slam the artwork on this record (Bob usually does the covers and layout, but some professional types at TVT did the work here). Personally, I heard this record in my shell, removed from all the criticism and fan dismay, and I loved it. Already a huge GbV fan, I spun this record day in day out. Sure, it was a deperature sound wise. It was cleaner, more produced, and "bigger" sounding than anything before. This isn't necessarily bad, though I can see how it would rub some people the wrong way. As for the keyboards, they're only really obvious on one or two songs, and in my opinion they don't ruin those songs at all. Bob taking a shot at the big time? After nearly 20 years putting out albums, paying his dues, he deserved a shot at some coin for his labours (like our man Frank). It didn't happen; sales increased a bit, but there was no hit single, and after one more record on TVT (the acclaimed 'Isolation Drills', Bob's 'Show Me Your Tears', ie. divorce album), GbV triumphantly returned to Matador in 2002 for their final 3 records.
I like all of the songs on Do the Collapse (some more than others), I like the production, I like Hold On Hope, and I think DtC contains at least a few songs that are classics and should be included in any GbV comp. So I will defend this record to the death. It's not my fave Bob thang (though I really couldn't choose), and it's not where I would suggest someone start with GbV, but this record does not deserve the criticism it receives.
Edited to add:
Here's a little comparison, so my poetic words have more meaning:
Teenage FBI (live at CBC studios, sounding much like the original b-side version)
http://www.gbv.com/sounds/FBI.mp3
Teenage FBI (album version, feat. Ric Ocasek and his wacky keyboards!)
http://www.gbv.com/sounds/Teenage_FBI.mp3
and you are ill prepared to fight
living in a world of soft and white
in air conditioned battle zones
I pity you!
Very interesting explanation. I enjoyed reading it (though I felt guilty after having read it 'cos I'm supposed to be really busy), and, though I don't agree with you, I really respect how well-thought out and supported your opinion is.
My defense goes to WHITE TRASH HEROES by
ARCHERS OF LOAF.
Archers of Loaf are an extremely underrated band. They don't have a cult following like other indie rock bands such as Pavement or Guided By Voices. Their albums don't make top 500 lists on Rolling stone, and they don't get 5-star ratings on All Music.
WTH is an underrated album by an underrated band. Even fans of the Archers seem to reach a general consensus that this is no Icky Mettle or Vee Vee. Eric Bachmann himself doesn't seem to like this album. I've never understood this disdain. Is it because of the bathroom on the front cover? Well, for the record, I love that album cover; the deteriorating walls and the dark blue convey a sense of death and decay; it looks abandoned almost.
And that's definitely the mood of this record, a mood which has been executed UNFATHOMABLY well. The throatiness of Bachmann's vocals, the way the bass just sporadically plays a few notes and then rests, yet sounds the furthest from incomplete, and the amazingly dry, dusk production all make this album sound so bitter, but amazingly well done. It's the incredible opposite of lush, yet beautiful at the same time. The lyrics are breathtaking. They talk of scum and seem to scoff at flashiness - the mention of neon lights, whores, and arcades all seeming useless. "Smokers In Love" is a title. Does that seem like a bright image? Is that happy? Or is it disturbing that people can ingest such harmful substances and damage themselves and then kiss, with tar in their mouths, sharing tar and percieving it as romantic, reproducing and molding themslves into one?
And the melodies...amazing. The title track....amazing melody. The music is so well-written, so densely layered and complex, but layered masterfully without anything becoming cluttered. There is such unsurpassed originality to be found in this album: the drums of "Fashion Bleeds", the oddly-timed bass notes of "Dead Red Eyes", and the chant at the end of "After the Last Laugh" are all sufficient examples of originality. 8 truly amazing songs which I'd consider perfect (and 2 pretty cool ones). |
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2005 : 01:21:06
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Originally posted by hWolsky
Compared to many contemporary almums this "fake Velvet Underground album" still remains the best imitation of the VU you can find today. Thanks Doug Yule!
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Wolsky, I've never heard this album but have heard about Doug Yule's VU - how does it sound?
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Scarla O'
Friday 4th November 2005
The Metro Club
19-23 Oxford Street, W1
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