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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
 Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:34:18
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| Some things are opinions and some things are facts. Yes, Disc 2 really is that bad, Disc 1 balances it out though. |
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:37:13
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i LOVE disk one its so raw and beautiful.
this thread has kinda spun out of control, its hard to get a word in edgeways
"To be known as an underdog - that can only be a good thing. It's better than sucking."
- Frank Black
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:45:35
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Originally posted by NimrodsSon
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Originally posted by floop
i think that Jon Tiven set the climate for criticizing Honeycomb very early on (remember when he jumped down everyones throats?) and now people are less likely to voice their honest opinions.. i'm guessing there are more people with criticisms of the album, it's just that people have had to walk on eggshells about Honeycomb since day one
To be fair, technically "day one" should have been July 4, not almost a year ago when it was leaked. Jon Tiven jumped down everyone's throat who criticized because people were criticizing an illegally downloaded (not that I'm against it, but it is illegal) leak of the unfinished version of the album, which is quite different from criticizing the actual album after it's been released.
ˇViva los Católicos! http://adrianfoster.dmusic.com/
i think it set a certain tone though.
i agree with fbc and kathryn. these kinds of threads are good.
i remember when the first FB record came out he said in an interview that he wouldn't be surprised if Pixies fans weren't into it, and he hoped he might gain new fans, based on his new work. i think Honeycomb is comparable.
i doubt Frank would blame his fans if they weren't ALL into Honeycomb. just as different fans are into different albums. with this album hopefully he'll open up a new pocket of fans he didn't reach before, and they'll dig deeper and get into some of his other stuff. like all his albums, i honestly think he made it for himself (and not his fans).. with this one especially. which i respect. i'm happy that he's gone and done something different, like he usually does. i'm just not sure if it's up my alley this time. but again, it's still early to say so i reserve the right to change my mind |
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Jason
* Dog in the Sand *
1446 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:48:12
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Why do we NEED any opinions (good or bad)?
"I'm here to save the board from all these positive reactions to Honeycomb!" Okay, great. Thanks. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:49:51
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| they are helpful for the purposes of a discussion forum |
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:50:40
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like you said floop while im sure frank does care about his fans this is HIS music, but i know of several people who have purchased honeycomb (on my recommendation and constant badgering) havin never even heard of frank
"To be known as an underdog - that can only be a good thing. It's better than sucking."
- Frank Black
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:54:25
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| i didn't mean to say he doesn't care about his fans.. i think he respects his fans. and he understands (as he exhibited in that interview) how some of his fans - even his most dear fans - might like some of his albums more than others.. |
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Shelobe
- FB Fan -
14 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 14:19:28
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Originally posted by NimrodsSon
I haven't even listened to disc two of FBF yet! I've had it for like five months but haven't even listened to it. Is it really that bad?
ˇViva los Católicos! http://adrianfoster.dmusic.com/
I didn't enjoy it, I tried to give it a chance, maybe it would grow on me like so many others, but no, it never did. |
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 14:31:35
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i didn't mean to say he doesn't care about his fans..
yeh i no thats not what you meant
"To be known as an underdog - that can only be a good thing. It's better than sucking."
- Frank Black
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 14:55:52
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| I've only heard I Burn Today, Honeycomb and Dark End Of The Street, but those first two have grabbed me already! |
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Frog in the Sand
-+ Le premiere frog +-
France
2715 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 15:05:44
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To summarize this thread:
1. Nobody here likes Honeycomb, except me.
2. In fact I don't really like Honeycomb but I don't want to disappoint Mr. Tiven, that's why I say I like it.
3. [censored]
Join the Cult of France / And get Honeycomb weeks in advance |
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 15:11:55
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i like honeycomb
"To be known as an underdog - that can only be a good thing. It's better than sucking."
- Frank Black
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6196 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 15:15:50
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I like honeycomb
last time I checked I wasn't deaf
no problem there
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jtanner
- FB Fan -
89 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 15:18:44
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 15:20:21
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try harder its your duty as a REAL frank fan to like everything the man has ever laid hhis had to, just kidding.
"To be known as an underdog - that can only be a good thing. It's better than sucking."
- Frank Black
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 15:29:34
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Originally posted by The Marsist
i like honeycomb
zombie |
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jtanner
- FB Fan -
89 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 15:33:53
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| Honeycomb might be my favorite song on Honeycomb. It's early though. |
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 15:36:11
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sing for joy is my fave at he moment
"To be known as an underdog - that can only be a good thing. It's better than sucking."
- Frank Black
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 15:40:51
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Originally posted by floop
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Originally posted by The Marsist
i like honeycomb
zombie
i deserve that
"To be known as an underdog - that can only be a good thing. It's better than sucking."
- Frank Black
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kelladwella
= Cult of Ray =
Germany
729 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 15:43:35
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During the last 45 minutes people posted in 14 different threads in the 'General Frank Black Chat'.
But only in one 'General Chat' thread. |
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 15:45:58
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i think the board is really entertaining tonite atually
"To be known as an underdog - that can only be a good thing. It's better than sucking."
- Frank Black
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scruvs
= Cult of Ray =
353 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 16:04:02
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Originally posted by kathryn
I could not find my Honeycomb.
Seriously, what does that mean, anyway? Is that a metaphor? An enigma? What?
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
just means he's looking for this
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1116 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 16:38:38
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 16:52:28
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During the last 45 minutes people posted in 14 different threads in the 'General Frank Black Chat'.
But only in one 'General Chat' thread.
The balance of power has shifted!
I have to say I was kind of surprised by how good Honeycomb was. I mean, I wasn't expecting not to like it, but most Frank albums take a while to grow on me. While there are some Honeycomb tracks that definitely fall into the "grower" category, there were quite a few that I liked pretty much immediately. Indeed, I might say it's the most instantly likeable Frank album since DITS. I think I already like it more than SMYT. Only time will tell what I think of it after it ceases to be the New Album, but I have to say that I like it. And I wouldn't have been afraid to say I didn't like it, if such had been the case.
Speaking of disliking, I don't care for the Frank Black Francis remix of "Planet Of Sound" at all. So there.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 16:58:27
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I was critical of Honeycomb for a long time and thought that Frank had lost it with this album.... but now and after a large number of listens I am growing to love this album. I think its difficult to compare it with his other albums because its so different but I am starting to really like it. There are a couple of songs that don't do anything for me tho.
This is a high class bureau de change, not some Punch & Judy show on the seafront at Margate! |
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evilive1213
- FB Fan -
USA
21 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 21:52:52
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| I feel Honeycomb is a another album in FB's evolution, and exactly what some of us need to hear. I know it's cliched and kind of sappy, but SMYT came out the same time I was separated from my wife and it helped me see what was important. If SMYT was about regret, and sorrow, then Honeycomb for me is coming through the other side. As much as I love the Pixies (Lord knows I do), FB's solo work speaks to me much more so in my advanced age. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6196 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2005 : 00:34:01
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I think the catholics had achieved everything a band like them could.
Do you realise what an awesome journey FB and the C's to SMYT is?
I think they stopped at their top, Honeycomb is a new way and I think it's great.
One thing that's so wonderful about Frank is that he changes his way once in a while,
that keeps his music fresh. If you don't like it, wait a few years and it's likely
he will do a marimba-techno album or something. Can't wait
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2005 : 04:51:30
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Originally posted by billgoodman
I think the catholics had achieved everything a band like them could.
Do you realise what an awesome journey FB and the C's to SMYT is?
i sure do, bill. and it was a great ride while it lasted. |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2005 : 05:20:51
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Originally posted by kelladwella
During the last 45 minutes people posted in 14 different threads in the 'General Frank Black Chat'. But only in one 'General Chat' thread.
sign of the apocalypse |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7441 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2005 : 01:40:06
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Originally posted by NimrodsSon
I haven't even listened to disc two of FBF yet! I've had it for like five months but haven't even listened to it. Is it really that bad?
I haven't listened to disc one of FBF. Really. Nimrod, check out disc 2, you can't dislike Caribou and WIMM. They're amazing. Only Frank can cover Where Is My Mind and make it great.
Denis
I know the god of rock n roll / Yeah I sold him my soul! |
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1718 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2005 : 01:55:32
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Originally posted by vilainde
Only Frank can cover Where Is My Mind and make it great.
James Blunt sure can't.
My evil twin would lie and steal
And he would stink of sex-appeal |
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1718 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2005 : 02:01:36
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P.S. I'm a proud zombie fan now. Honeycomb in the headphones on the way to work and it hit all the right spots today. I love it when music gets to me that way. Change of sig documents epiphany.
I jumped on the Frank Black Bandwagon/'Cause Pixies are so 2004 |
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manintheshack
- FB Fan -
48 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2005 : 04:58:59
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Interesting post, I have to say from the raving in the forum I was expecting a masterpiece when Honeycomb flew through the letterbox last week and landed straight into the CD tray (well, it got there so fast it may as well have).
All I know is personally never to judge a frank black album before at least a hundred listens. I made a terrible, terrible error with dog in the sand for which I now pay for with a permanent review on amazon ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004UFTM/qid=1122292249/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_10_1/202-3413362-8870237 ).
I have to say Honeycomb is a strange mix. The first time I heard 'I burn today' it was beautiful, and still is, but I think 'Shrimp Song' and 'Sunday Sunny...' were far better off as rarities (how can you better the glen hansard duet???). They just seem too forced. But give me a week and I may be singing a different tune (metaphorically speaking, I hope).
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manintheshack
- FB Fan -
48 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2005 : 05:02:39
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Oh god I just re-read that review. It is not my opinion!!!! I'll Be Blue is one of my favourite Frank Black songs. I relinquish all rights to an opinion!
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jediroller
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1718 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2005 : 05:19:29
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It's totally pointless and off-topic, and I do apologise, but I always misread your handle as "maninthesack".
Is that signature from Braindead/Deadalive by the way?
[Edit: got confused between "handle" and "signature...]
I jumped on the Frank Black Bandwagon/'Cause Pixies are so 2004 |
Edited by - jediroller on 07/25/2005 05:27:36 |
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