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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
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 Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:11:19
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..But Honeycomb is just terrible. It says a lot about the album when the best song is Song Of the Shrimp. I can't believe the zealousy in this forum, overhyping such a sub-par album, just because it's "The Man"
Just a few years ago he was in his songwriting prime, writing songs alongside great musicians, now he's playing bad covers of his own songs from 15 years ago with the Pixies, and putting out these lackluste, tame songs as seen on Honeycomb.
His voice just isn't aging very well at all. Is it time to count out the possibility of another truly great album like we saw just a few years ago?
Oh, and don't bother with replies like "If your not a Frank Black fan, don't listen to the music." I am a fan, I'm just not deaf. I imagine this will be a a refreshing change among the sickingly blind views I have seen in every other thread in the forum. |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:20:25
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fair play suicide. i think it's great you speak what you feel.
just one thing if that's okay
what album are you on about here?
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Is it time to count out the possibility of another truly great album like we saw just a few years ago?
oh, and just out of curiosity, suicide samurai as in the nirvana song?
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:22:17
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i've also been surprised by the unanimous praise of Honeycomb. with all of Frank's other albums, there has always been honest, mixed criticsim. even on this site. maybe people are afraid that Jon Tiven will beat them up or something?
i've only had the album for 4 days now (never downloaded it), and it's probably still too early to make any judgements. but i have a feeling this will rank at the bottom of my Frank Black list. of all the things i like about Frank, this album has the least. |
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:24:15
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your entilted to your own opinions .to call our views blind though is just insulting to be honest. honeycomb is beautiful music and if you dont c that its your own problem.but just cause we like it does not mean we are blindly following frank we do have our own opinions you know.
you cant really tell how angry i am from this post but ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
"To be known as an underdog - that can only be a good thing. It's better than sucking."
- Frank Black
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:26:36
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Yeah, I've only just got I've come to expect from him.
To fbc: My favourite Catholics albums are DITS and Devils Workshop, so I guess I was talking about them, but I didn't really mean any specifically, just past releases that were superior. And yeah, listening to Nirvana is why I'm listening to Honeycomb today. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:26:56
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Originally posted by Suicide_Samurai
..But Honeycomb is just terrible. It says a lot about the album when the best song is Song Of the Shrimp. I can't believe the zealousy in this forum, overhyping such a sub-par album, just because it's "The Man"
Just a few years ago he was in his songwriting prime, writing songs alongside great musicians, now he's playing bad covers of his own songs from 15 years ago with the Pixies, and putting out these lackluste, tame songs as seen on Honeycomb.
His voice just isn't aging very well at all. Is it time to count out the possibility of another truly great album like we saw just a few years ago?
Oh, and don't bother with replies like "If your not a Frank Black fan, don't listen to the music." I am a fan, I'm just not deaf. I imagine this will be a a refreshing change among the sickingly blind views I have seen in every other thread in the forum.
Hey, I'm glad you posted that.
You are more than entititled to your view, and it's perfectly valid to be critical of or uninspired by Frank's latest release. I bet many people share your opinion, though they haven't been brave enough to post as you have.
I can understand how the many "Honeycomb! Yay!" threads could strike a person as butt-kissing.
Me, I dig HC, am happy to be seeing the Pixies this summer, wish for another TOTY, can't wait for a solo Frank tour. Most of all I miss the Catholics. To my core, I miss them.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:27:54
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That first sentance was supposed to say..
Yeah, I've only just got it too and I know it'll grow on me more, I just know it's not as good as I've come to expect from him. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:30:37
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Dude, don't backpedal. If you don't like it, it's cool.
I would hate for this board to devolve into like-minded lemming bullshit.
Polite dissent is necessary, diversity of opinion is constructive.
Frank reads this stuff. Say what you believe.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:30:48
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I didn't expect much, going from SMYT (felt like a bit of a letdown) and the solo Jools Holland performance- but it's a great album. If you like bits of country and soul. Sure, it's not TOTY, he's not yelling about UFOs over a 6/4 chord sequence but I'd rather see FB spread his wings than get stuck in some old hoary indie rock cliché.
I find the best albums are growers- hell, I didn't like Doolittle much when I got it! 
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:35:06
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Originally posted by kathryn
Polite dissent is necessary, diversity of opinion is constructive.
if approved by the moderators |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:38:37
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must...stalk...floop
Seriously, now. One would hope that differences of opinion on Frank would be welcome!
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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Useyourname
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:38:46
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I know a lot of peeps disliked frankblackfrancis, but I loved it. He gave us a taste of the "old school" spaced-out, sitting' down at the Mac and composing Frank Black. I love his country style flavor of music too though, and I completely understand your point of view. I love Honeycomb and think it's a great record, but it's no Dog in the Sand. I personally would like him to bounce around the genres a bit, like he did on TOTY. Beck seems to do this pretty well. He goes from dance/funk on Midnight Vultures to beautiful mellow acoustic on Sea Change, and then back home with Guero. It’s nice though to get the pleasant mellow sounds of Honeycomb and the rocking reunion of the Pixies at the same time.
Although, I'd love to be hearing the reunion sounds of the Catholics, as well as the Breeders and Martinis too.
jimmy
P.S. I’m not trying to tell “The Man” how to do his job, or where his career should go.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:40:50
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:42:50
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Originally posted by floop
though life is often filled with doubt and uncertainty, and can always count on one thing: if i ever come here and post, kathryn will be there to add something (within 30 seconds)
We may not know if the Catholics will ever reunite (*sobs onto keyboard*) but we know I will always stalk floop.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:43:33
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Originally posted by Suicide_Samurai
I just know it's not as good as I've come to expect from him.
and i know it's better than plenty of Catholic songs no problem.
we listen to the same songs but we hear different things.
some hear the lyrics when i hear the chords.
and here lies the beauty.
all i want to add is, just because you may not like a record, don't think me deaf because i do.
maybe some of the words you read on your screen are actually honest thoughts.
some of us actually like honeycomb. no really. we do.
I'm sorry...but the catholics kinda bored me towards the end. i'm glad Frank Black made the change.
wow! opinions rule!
Congratulations you have won
It's a year subscription of bad puns
And a make-shift story of concern
And you set it up, before it burns
Our opinions. Mmm. Mmm.
man, i've always loved that ditty! |
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:46:49
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Originally posted by Suicide_Samurai
now he's playing bad covers of his own songs from 15 years ago with the Pixies
My god, have you heard Something Against You played live
kicks ass on the vinyl version
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His voice just isn't aging very well at all.
My god, have you heard Something Against You played live
kicks ass on the vinyl version |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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15297 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:47:58
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Originally posted by fbc
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Originally posted by Suicide_Samurai
I just know it's not as good as I've come to expect from him.
and i know it's better than plenty of Catholic songs no problem.
we listen to the same songs but we hear different things.
some hear the lyrics when i hear the chords.
and here lies the beauty.
all i want to add is, just because you may not like a record, don't think me deaf because i do.
maybe some of the words you read on your screen are actually honest thoughts.
some of us actually like honeycomb. no really. we do.
I'm sorry...but the catholics kinda bored me towards the end. i'm glad Frank Black made the change.
wow! opinions rule!
Congratulations you have won
It's a year subscription of bad puns
And a make-shift story of concern
And you set it up, before it burns
Our opinions. Mmm. Mmm.
man, i've always loved that ditty!
opinions do rule. i'm not accusing anyone of pretending to like Honeycomb, but it is notable how there has been (till now) zero criticism. when perfect albums like DITS and BLD got some seriously HARSH criticism when they came out.
i don't think Honeycomb holds a candle to either of those |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:55:30
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Let's remember where Frank was at when he did this album. It wasn't all loosey goosey,
"I just kicked the world's ass with my Pixies." He was in the midst of a divorce. That's heavy stuff.
HC reflects it. We don't all have to like the album's introspective groove.
More importantly for me is that fb.net retain its irreverent vibe and (cliche as it sounds) freedom of expression.
That would certainly make it a more worthwhile place for Frank to visit and consider his own unofficial official
site.
To that end, I again thank you Suicide_Samurai.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:56:54
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All the Honeycomb talk has been very complementory, and i really hope it's genuine rather than kissing the appropriate ring.
I love threads like these, especially when it doesn't turn into a slanging match.
no one is right, no one is wrong. it's only rock and roll.
more importantly, it's good to see you back, floop.
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:57:43
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| It's like fbc looked back on what he wrote and thought it was a little too pleasant. I have to say though, I agree the guy can still scream, but I don't think his voice is really suited to the kinds of songs on HC. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:57:55
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Originally posted by fbc
no one is right, no one is wrong.
i'm right though |
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fbc
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United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:59:19
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Originally posted by Suicide_Samurai
It's like fbc looked back on what he wrote and thought it was a little too pleasant
You what?
Speak |
Edited by - fbc on 07/22/2005 12:59:53 |
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:01:41
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Originally posted by fbc
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Originally posted by Suicide_Samurai
It's like fbc looked back on what he wrote and thought it was a little too pleasant
You what?
Everytime I write a message 2-3 posts have already been posted since. I was just talking about the late backlash. |
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fbc
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4903 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:03:27
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You gotta be quick round here.
especially with a great/fun thread like this one |
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kelladwella
= Cult of Ray =
Germany
729 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:05:16
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Wow, this got to be the fastest growing thread, I´ve ever seen...
There sure seems to be quite a need for dissent from the HC-praising.
Me, I love it. Sure, there are things on it I don´t care for too much or even dislike ("funny how an evening turns into years"). But as a whole, i just love it. And say so. Not to kiss anyones ass. Not FB´s and definitely not Tiven´s (as FB keeps naming him in the fbctbf-review).
But I´d very much like to hear people speak their mind. This is why I come to fb.net. Because there is never just one opinion on a topic.
And I´m curious about why people think HC is a weak album.
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:06:43
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Ahh forget I said anything.
Ok here's what I meant, I made the thread, fbc says fairplay, then 15 posts later fbc makes a succession of posts, disagreeing, sort of..never mind! |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:07:47
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Originally posted by Suicide_Samurai
..But Honeycomb is just terrible. It says a lot about the album when the best song is Song Of the Shrimp. I can't believe the zealousy in this forum, overhyping such a sub-par album, just because it's "The Man"
Just a few years ago he was in his songwriting prime, writing songs alongside great musicians, now he's playing bad covers of his own songs from 15 years ago with the Pixies, and putting out these lackluste, tame songs as seen on Honeycomb.
His voice just isn't aging very well at all. Is it time to count out the possibility of another truly great album like we saw just a few years ago?
Oh, and don't bother with replies like "If your not a Frank Black fan, don't listen to the music." I am a fan, I'm just not deaf. I imagine this will be a a refreshing change among the sickingly blind views I have seen in every other thread in the forum.
I completely respect your opinion. If you don't like the album, that's great, and I wouldn't dare say you're not a true fan because of it, but comments like "I can't believe the zealousy in this forum, overhyping such a sub-par album, just because it's "The Man" and "I am a fan, I'm just not deaf" are just completely uncalled for. It's one thing to say you don't like the album and offer some criticism, and it's another thing to criticize those that do, calling them zealots and deaf. I think given the overwhelmingly positive response on this forum, as well as the numerous 4 and 5 star reviews, it's fair to say that a lot of people GENUINELY like the album and are not just saying it because they're uber-fans. I for one, absolutely love the album. Sure, there are a couple of songs out of the 14 that are little better than average, but I believe it contains some of Frank's best songs ever, including "Selkie Bride," "Lone Child," and "Atom In My Heart," just to name a few. Once again, it's great to have diversity of opinions and I have no problem with yours, but (and perhaps this wasn't intentional) please don't criticize those of us who do genuinely enjoy it.
¡Viva los Católicos! http://adrianfoster.dmusic.com/ |
Edited by - NimrodsSon on 07/22/2005 13:09:31 |
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:09:10
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i think frank suits the mellow stuff. i was thinking about this last nigth atually, i burn today is a million miles away from, lets say, nimrods son but its not the voice i care about its the song writing , and i think everybody on this board will agree with me, hc fan or not that frank is a brilliant song writer. some like screaming some like mellow thats the beauty of opinions.and that folks is the keyword of today.say it with me now: OPINIONS
"To be known as an underdog - that can only be a good thing. It's better than sucking."
- Frank Black
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kelladwella
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:09:51
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IceCream
= Quote Accumulator =
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:11:02
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Originally posted by Suicide_Samurai
..But Honeycomb is just terrible. It says a lot about the album when the best song is Song Of the Shrimp. I can't believe the zealousy in this forum, overhyping such a sub-par album, just because it's "The Man"
Just a few years ago he was in his songwriting prime, writing songs alongside great musicians, now he's playing bad covers of his own songs from 15 years ago with the Pixies, and putting out these lackluste, tame songs as seen on Honeycomb.
His voice just isn't aging very well at all. Is it time to count out the possibility of another truly great album like we saw just a few years ago?
Oh, and don't bother with replies like "If your not a Frank Black fan, don't listen to the music." I am a fan, I'm just not deaf. I imagine this will be a a refreshing change among the sickingly blind views I have seen in every other thread in the forum.
Am I the only one who thinks that the 15 minute version of "Planet of Sound" from Frank Black Francis is one of the coolest things ever released? |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:12:32
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| i think that Jon Tiven set the climate for criticizing Honeycomb very early on (remember when he jumped down everyones throats?) and now people are less likely to voice their honest opinions.. i'm guessing there are more people with criticisms of the album, it's just that people have had to walk on eggshells about Honeycomb since day one |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:14:08
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Opinions matter more than Honeycomb does.
Feeling at ease to express one's positive or not positive opinions about all things Frank
is far more beneficial to the board and its artist than anything else.
Sometimes, no matter how shitty things get, you have to just do a little dance. - Frank
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:15:17
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Am I the only one who thinks that the 15 minute version of "Planet of Sound" from Frank Black Francis is one of the coolest things ever released?
well im not a fan of fbf dsk 2 but planet of sound is especially bad
"To be known as an underdog - that can only be a good thing. It's better than sucking."
- Frank Black
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:21:04
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I haven't even listened to disc two of FBF yet! I've had it for like five months but haven't even listened to it. Is it really that bad?
¡Viva los Católicos! http://adrianfoster.dmusic.com/ |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:24:11
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Originally posted by floop
i think that Jon Tiven set the climate for criticizing Honeycomb very early on (remember when he jumped down everyones throats?) and now people are less likely to voice their honest opinions.. i'm guessing there are more people with criticisms of the album, it's just that people have had to walk on eggshells about Honeycomb since day one
To be fair, technically "day one" should have been July 4, not almost a year ago when it was leaked. Jon Tiven jumped down everyone's throat who criticized because people were criticizing an illegally downloaded (not that I'm against it, but it is illegal) leak of the unfinished version of the album, which is quite different from criticizing the actual album after it's been released.
¡Viva los Católicos! http://adrianfoster.dmusic.com/ |
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The Marsist
= Cult of Ray =
Ireland
730 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:28:50
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Originally posted by NimrodsSon
I haven't even listened to disc two of FBF yet! I've had it for like five months but haven't even listened to it. Is it really that bad?
well its not my thing but each to their own. once more:opinions
"To be known as an underdog - that can only be a good thing. It's better than sucking."
- Frank Black
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