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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 03:03:41
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm
Man shot by armed police on Tube A man has been shot at Stockwell Tube station by armed police officers, police confirm. Passengers were evacuated from a Tube train on the Northern Line station in south London after the incident.
Passenger Mark Whitby told BBC News he had seen an Asian man shot five times by "plain-clothes police officers".
Services on the Victoria and Northern lines have been suspended following a request by the police, London Underground said.
Police are hunting four would-be bombers after Thursday's London blasts.
The bombers fled after detonators went off, causing small blasts, but failed to detonate the bombs themselves.
Mr Whitby, told BBC News: "I saw an Asian guy run onto the train hotly pursued by three plain-clothes police officers.
"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him."
Passenger Briony Coetsee said: "We were on the Tube and then we suddenly heard someone say, 'Get out, get out' and then we heard gunshots."
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 03:24:30
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quote: "One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him."
Interrogation wasn't an option then? I assume they were trying to stop him detonating a bomb. Still, very worrying for tube-goers again.
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Surfer Rosa
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 03:29:06
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"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him."
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 03:41:33
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wouldn't want him talking, would you...
Oh let it linger |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 05:00:11
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Five shots... this is similar to when the SAS killed 3 IRA members on Gibraltar back in the 80's. So the old shoot to kill policy is back again. I assume they must have had firm evidence that he was carrying something... if he wasn't carrying anything, then for them to unload 5 shots into an unarmed man will look a trifle excessive.
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 05:08:06
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The road in front of my flat (which I share with Edwina) has been blocked off since yesterday afternoon because of the bus 'bomb'...it's all very strange. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 05:11:49
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I bet, I'd not wanna be in London at the moment... not because I'd be scared but because it must be surreal with an edge of uneasiness. I feel uneasy and I am across the other side of the world.
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2543 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 05:16:59
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The security forces are in a difficult situation here. If they hadn't shot the guy, and 30 seconds later he detonated a bomb, they would have been crucified for not doing their job properly. Once the decision to take him out has been made, they have to make sure he's killed ASAP, just in case the first shot wasn't decisive. The whole debate of national safety vs. civil rights is now extremely complex.
Scarla O, how do you feel generally about this? Nervous? Determined?
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 05:20:37
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I agree Llama. Its a horrible situation to be in, especially if you haven't concrete proof that the guy has a bomb and he starts running. I think they did what they had to do, they couldn't risk another bomb going off knowing that they could have prevented it. What a shit state of affairs!
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Edited by - Stuart on 07/22/2005 05:23:12 |
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misleadtheworld
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 05:28:12
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Word is that he jumped over the barriers at the station entrance and proceeded to run down to the trains, ignoring Police and Transport requests for him to stop. He had a backpack; I presume their thought was that there was no alternative that would've resulted with less than one death.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 05:32:29
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What else can they do in that situation?
This is a high class bureau de change, not some Punch & Judy show on the seafront at Margate! |
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 05:47:00
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quote: Originally posted by Llamadance Scarla O, how do you feel generally about this? Nervous? Determined?
I feel like i'm being interviewed for the 6 O'Clock News
<winks at camera>
Well Llamadance, maybe I'm mistaken but I don't think anyone really feels 'determined' despite the headlines indicating this...it's making everyone very nervous.
And whilst people are resilient to these things i'd be wary of believing that people are 'making a stand' when they use public transport to get into work each day - what choice have you got?
We've been put in this situation by criminal foreign policy but as is always the case it's innocent people that have to pay the price.
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 06:20:27
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if they were sure he had a bomb.. fair enough. i'd like to hear an official statement though (one's coming soon i think).
i heard it like this from sky news. following a man because they though/knew he was involved with the bombings or future bombings, and hoped he would lead them to other people or places involved. however he entered a tube station so they got worried and confronted him. when confronted he ran off, over a barrier and down to the trains. they say he was wearing an unually thick coat for a nice summers day and so they suspected he may be carrying a bomb. shot him 5 times.
i have some problems with this. the thick coat thing is only mentioned at the end to justify the shooting. however, he must have been wearing this "unusually thick coat" whilst he was been followed. how come the police didn't do anything then? he was probably walking amongst busy crowds etc... surely the police don't think bombings can only be carried out on public transport!
also, isn't it a bit risky shooting a guy who you suspect is carrying bombs under his coat... unless they shot him in the face or something.. 5 times..
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 06:24:12
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quote: Originally posted by Stuart
What else can they do in that situation?
This is a high class bureau de change, not some Punch & Judy show on the seafront at Margate!
exactly. as one guy put it, it has to be a head shot, and it has to be shoot to kill. if you hit their body, you risk exploding any explosives they may be carrying. if you don't kill them you risk the suspect detonating the bomb. by the sounds of it he was a prime suspect already (by the number of officers charging after him).
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 06:27:02
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quote: Originally posted by Scarla O
I feel like i'm being interviewed for the 6 O'Clock News
<winks at camera>
Well Llamadance, maybe I'm mistaken but I don't think anyone really feels 'determined' despite the headlines indicating this...it's making everyone very nervous.
And whilst people are resilient to these things i'd be wary of believing that people are 'making a stand' when they use public transport to get into work each day - what choice have you got?
We've been put in this situation by criminal foreign policy but as is so always the case it's innocent people that have to pay the price.
i think (although this affects a lot of people and as horrible and random as it is) you sometimes have to remember that compared to the number of people who use london's public transport (in the millions), the actual number of people who lost their lives or were injured is actually quite a small percentage. so you'd have to be incredibly unlucky to get caught up in such an incident. doesn't help much, but it's what i'd be thinking to reassure myself.
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Llamadance
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 06:32:45
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quote: Originally posted by Scarla O
quote: Originally posted by Llamadance Scarla O, how do you feel generally about this? Nervous? Determined?
I feel like i'm being interviewed for the 6 O'Clock News
<winks at camera>
Well Llamadance, maybe I'm mistaken but I don't think anyone really feels 'determined' despite the headlines indicating this...it's making everyone very nervous.
And whilst people are resilient to these things i'd be wary of believing that people are 'making a stand' when they use public transport to get into work each day - what choice have you got?
We've been put in this situation by criminal foreign policy but as is so always the case it's innocent people that have to pay the price.
And what have you got to say to the policy-makers who put you and other Londoners in this terrible situation, Mr Scarla O?
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 06:35:08
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I hear ya Bumblebeeboy and doubtless you are right but when both incidents take place on routes you pass on your way to work it's disconcerting. |
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Broken Face
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 06:35:47
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i've been in new york city a lot since the bombings in london, and there have been many more police officers in the subway just looking around. so this has spread across the atlantic, which is good - we should all be more careful.
what i am curious about in this shooting situation is, if the guy was involved, in understand his running, but imagine some poor guy who is just confused and running because he doesn't know what else to do, and is plugged 5 times? i really hope they knew what they were doing...
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 06:49:52
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quote: Originally posted by Broken Face
i've been in new york city a lot since the bombings in london, and there have been many more police officers in the subway just looking around. so this has spread across the atlantic, which is good - we should all be more careful.
what i am curious about in this shooting situation is, if the guy was involved, in understand his running, but imagine some poor guy who is just confused and running because he doesn't know what else to do, and is plugged 5 times? i really hope they knew what they were doing...
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
yeah, same in manchester, uk. police presence on my way home last night was upped quite a bit once again, police on every corner almost. was a bit eerie, there's a huge screen that i pass, and they were playing bbc news on it with the volume quite high, everyone had just stopped heading home and were staring up at the screen in silence.
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misleadtheworld
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 06:58:58
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quote: Originally posted by Broken Face what i am curious about in this shooting situation is, if the guy was involved, in understand his running, but imagine some poor guy who is just confused and running because he doesn't know what else to do, and is plugged 5 times? i really hope they knew what they were doing...
If he was confused, surely he wouldn't have jumped the barrier and would've stopped when Police asked him to. I don't believe confusion can make someone do such a thing in the current climate of things.
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Scarla O
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
947 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 07:04:50
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quote: Originally posted by Llamadance And what have you got to say to the policy-makers who put you and other Londoners in this terrible situation, Mr Scarla O?
LOL.
I don't think it's the watershed yet Llama ;)
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 07:09:12
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Yeah 5 times is a little excessive, I should think 4 times would do it. If he was white and plugged 5 times in public thereīd be an uproar but oh heīs Asian he mustīve done something.
This part is sick. what they forgot their handcuffs?
quote: "One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him."
I like this quote by Martin Niemöller:
First the Nazis came
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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TRANSMARINE
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 07:15:15
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Oh, just shoot the bastard.
I was alone...in my BIG BED
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 07:32:41
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the difference here is if they *were* a suicide bomber, then they really had nothing to lose by running from the police, they're willing to die for their 'cause' anyway. the police forces problem is stopping this individual, who has nothing to lose and who would dearly like to take out as many people as they can with them. if this *was* a suicide bomber, then i agree with the measures the police used.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 08:03:51
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Perhaps we might find out the manīs name before taking suicidebombership into account.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 08:30:36
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quote: Originally posted by Newo
Yeah 5 times is a little excessive, I should think 4 times would do it. If he was white and plugged 5 times in public thereīd be an uproar but oh heīs Asian he mustīve done something.
This part is sick. what they forgot their handcuffs?
Perhaps we might find out the manīs suicidebombership before assuming handcuffs were an option. |
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 08:44:37
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I would imagine handcuffs to be an excellent deterrent to bomb detonation, as would three polis pinning you to the floor. There was a shoot-to-kill policy in the country I was born in, it didnīt work out too well.
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Edited by - Newo on 07/22/2005 08:46:19 |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 08:52:41
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Apparently they have found no explosives or weapons on the guy... but police were apparently sure that he was the guy responsible for yesterdays attacks.
This is a high class bureau de change, not some Punch & Judy show on the seafront at Margate! |
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 08:56:47
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If they had the guy down already why plug him? anyway.
Man shot dead by police on Tube Police have cordoned off a 200-metre area around the station A man has been shot dead by police at Stockwell Tube station in south London, as officers hunt four bombing suspects. Police are also searching an address in London's Harrow Road. Resident Patricia Osbourne said she heard six shots.
Scotland Yard said the raid was one of several taking place in the city after Thursday's attempted bombings.
BBC correspondent Danny Shaw said there were unconfirmed reports police had said the man shot at Stockwell was the Oval bomb suspect.
Passenger Mark Whitby told BBC News he had seen a man of Asian appearance shot five times by "plain-clothes police officers" with a handgun.
BBC correspondent Graham Satchell, at the Harrow Road incident, said the focus of the large police presence appeared to be an internet cafe.
As well as armed officers in body armour, there were about seven police vehicles and an ambulance, he said.
People in the area were "nervous", he added.
Station evacuated
Police have cordoned off a 200-metre area around Stockwell station. The incident followed four attempted bombings in the capital on Thursday at Oval, Warren Street, Shepherd's Bush stations and on a bus in Shoreditch in east London.
Passengers were evacuated from Stockwell station, which is on the Northern Line and Victoria Line.
Teams of forensic officers are working inside the station, and police helicopters are hovering overhead.
Services on the Victoria and Northern lines were suspended following a request by the police.
Mr Whitby, told BBC News: "I was sitting on the train reading my paper.
"I heard a load of noise, people saying, 'Get out, get down!'
"I saw an Asian guy run onto the train hotly pursued by three plain-clothes police officers.
bomb belt'
"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him.
"I saw the gun being fired five times into the guy - he is dead," he said.
BBC Home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore said officers had challenged a known suspect they had been following.
"He ran, they followed him. They say they gave him a warning, they then shot him.
"They brought in the air ambulance. They did everything they can to revive him. He died at the scene."
Police had warned they would shoot to kill if they believed somebody to be a threat, she added.
BBC crime correspondent Neil Bennett said the suspect was being followed as a result of CCTV footage seen by officers investigating Thursday's explosions.
Muslim Council of Britain
The Muslim Council of Britain said Muslims were concerned about a possible "shoot to kill" policy.
Spokesman Inayat Bunglawala said: "There may well be reasons why the police felt it necessary to unload five shots into the man and shoot him dead, but they need to make those reasons clear.
"It's vital the police give a statement about what occurred and explain why the man was shot dead."
Another passenger on the train, Anthony Larkin, told BBC News the man had been wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out".
"I've seen these police officers shouting, 'Get down, get down!', and I've seen this guy who appears to have a bomb belt and wires coming out.
"People were panicking and I heard shots being fired."
Former Flying Squad officer, John O'Connor, told BBC News: "The man shot must either be one of the bombers or a potential suicide bomber."
Bombers "don't always carry sports bags" and the man could easily have been wearing a bomb belt, he added.
If he had been challenged by police and failed to stop they "have not got a lot of alternative", Mr O'Connor told BBC News.
Officers would be trained to aim for the head as shots to the torso could trigger a hidden explosive device, he added.
Londoner Dan Copeland was in the carriage in which the man was shot.
He told BBC News: "We were sitting for a few minutes on the platform, then we heard shouting from the concourse between the two platforms.
Calls grow over security on Tube
"Then the man burst in through the door to my right and grabbed hold of the pole and a person by the glass partition near the door, diagonally opposite me.
"An officer jumped on the door to my left and screamed, 'Everybody out!'
"People just froze in their seats cowering for a few seconds and then leapt up.
"As I turned out the door onto the platform, I heard four dull bangs.
"I ran past an armed officer who was standing on the platform and ran up the stairs."
The bus driver found a rucksack split open on the top deck
After Thursday's London blasts, the bombers fled when detonators went off, causing small blasts, but failed to detonate the bombs themselves.
A massive hunt is under way for the men. Analysts believe evidence from the four scenes could throw light onto the bomb attacks carried out on 7 July.
The attempted attacks caused travel chaos across the capital, with several lines closed and Tube stations evacuated.
Scotland Yard commissioner Sir Ian Blair said the attacks had been intended to kill people.
and you're questioning the sciences and questioning religion you're looking like an idiot and you no longer care.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 09:03:15
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remember the days we just used to send people to jail? how quaint. Now people just cheer on the lynch mob cause they canīt see the police state for the police.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2673 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 09:13:38
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More Explosions in London: Psy-ops in Progress
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet | July 21 2005
Ask the question, who benefits?
Today is the last day of parliament before an 80 day break. So if the governmen wanted to get those anti-terror measures through which were proposed after the 7/7 bombing, then this status of high alert is the perfect climate to get them rammed through without dissent.
Sky News reported that members of parliament could be recalled tonight in a special session for the express purpose of passing that legislation.
And what does the legislation include? Designating anyone who writes articles or puts out a website that advocates or gives aid and comfort to the terrorists.
So you have a situation whereby they could say that someone like myself writing articles accusing the government of involvement, has a negative impact on the publics trust of the government in fighting the war on terror and therefore aids the terrorists.
The definition is so loose that they could classify what we do on this website as aiding terrorists.
When of course all were really doing is shining a spotlight on the real terrorists and attempting to save both lives and liberties.
The government is setting up a database of undersirables to be watched under this legislation.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 09:15:49
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Who Provided The London Warning? Xymphora 7-21-5 Despite quite a lot of discussion on the issue, it seems clear now that the Mossad office in London received six minutes warning from British authorities of the London bomb attacks. This isn't surprising, as Netanyahu was in town and would have been guarded with extreme caution by both British and Israeli officials. Bibi is one of the most likely assassination targets in the world, and is a pain in the ass to look after wherever he goes. Six minutes warning was also presumably not enough time to shut down the subway system, if in fact the warning was even sufficiently precise to refer to a subway attack (it is unclear how specific Bibi's warning actually was, although it is odd that the conference he was to attend was in a hotel over one of the attacked subway stations). This leaves a startlingly big unanswered question: where did the warning come from? We're now definitively told that the non-suicide bombers/suicide bombers/non-suicide bombers were actually suicide bombers - and this time we mean it, dammit!, though the 'fifth man' seems to have again disappeared, the 'mastermind' isn't the mastermind, the real 'mastermind' is one of the bombers, and the whole nature of the explosives is inexplicably still being investigated - meaning that four unremarkable guys wandered into the London subway system all by themselves, leaving behind a car full of explosives (if there was no 'fifth man' or 'mastermind', was going to use these explosives?), and simply blew themselves up. Who then provided the warning? And why provide a warning so late that it was not useful? http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m13908&l=i&size=1&hd=0
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 09:29:18
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quote: Originally posted by starmekitten
If they had the guy down already why plug him? anyway.
They plugged him because they couldn't know he wasn't about to detonate that very micro-second. Put yourself in that situation. I would definitely plug him if I could keep my head together.
Owen, I don't trust any of your websites. Too often I've read on socialist sites that winning policy battles is all about the ends, and the means be damned. Where truth is regarded as fiction, why not lie? It's so easy to assert that the CIA or whoever was in on it, and then manufacture quotes. You consider yourself the enlightened skeptic and then believe whatever confirms your worldview. Good luck with that. |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 10:24:13
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quote: Originally posted by Erebus
quote: Originally posted by starmekitten
If they had the guy down already why plug him? anyway.
They plugged him because they couldn't know he wasn't about to detonate that very micro-second. Put yourself in that situation. I would definitely plug him if I could keep my head together.
Owen, I don't trust any of your websites. Too often I've read on socialist sites that winning policy battles is all about the ends, and the means be damned. Where truth is regarded as fiction, why not lie? It's so easy to assert that the CIA or whoever was in on it, and then manufacture quotes. You consider yourself the enlightened skeptic and then believe whatever confirms your worldview. Good luck with that.
For once I agree with you Erebus, if the guy was running away from the police (and towards the tube wearing a big jacket on a summers day) 2 weeks after a big terrorist attack, and a day after some more bombings in the city then he is putting himself at a huge risk of being shot. What else were the police to think, their no.1 priority would have to be to prevent what looks like another terrorist attack... at thats what they did. Even if the guy was down, whats to say that he couldn't trigger a potential bomb from the floor.
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 10:27:07
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they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him
If he had three cops on top of him... this is the bit I don't get.
and you're questioning the sciences and questioning religion you're looking like an idiot and you no longer care.
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 10:31:01
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oh how very witty and clever.
and you're questioning the sciences and questioning religion you're looking like an idiot and you no longer care.
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