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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
 Posted - 06/08/2005 : 21:03:35
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I just found out that Jonathan Richman is playing in my town this weekend. Great news! Last time he was here I couldn't see him because the show was 21 and older. So this time he's playing at a different venue. So I go to their website--18 and over! Well, I notice he's playing another show over here on Thursday at a different venue. A bit of relief and hope. But wait, it's 21 and over! What the fuck am I supposed to do here?! I missed Frank and the Catholics in 2002 because it was 21 and over, I missed A.C. Newman last year because it was 21 and over. Mark Mulcahy is currently touring and hopefully he'll drop by here, but then again I'm scared because all of the shows he's playing right now are 21 and over! I guess I just need to stop complaining and get a fake ID.
ˇViva los Católicos! http://adrianfoster.dmusic.com/ |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 21:27:01
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| You may hate them now but your tune will change once you're 21. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 21:29:32
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| you would make a great parent BLT |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 21:30:57
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| I'm trying to give him something to look forward to. It's my way of being "optimistic." |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 21:38:00
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| Dad, how come I can't go rollerskating but Joey can? |
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 21:52:26
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Originally posted by floop
Dad, how come I can't go rollerskating but Joey can?
Because Joey's my favorite and your mother and I love him more than you. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 21:59:47
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it is lame when they have those rules that alienate a large part of their audience 18-20 year olds.
i think 18 and over is more fair.
people under 18 shouldn't have any rights though |
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 22:45:22
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| I went to see FB&TC once just before I turned 21, and of course it was a 21+ show. But Scott went way out of his way to make sure I could get in to see it. He's one of the coolest drummers I know. For other concerts I wanted to go to in my pre-21 years, I would just find connections at whatever venue it was and make sure I had a legitimate excuse to be in there. Some venues are very strict about it. I didn't like them at the time. |
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hammerhands
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
1594 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 00:25:31
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I saw a band a few years ago and I asked, "hey can you play that song", and the lead singer said "We don't play that anymore, and screw you for being too young to have seen us when we did play it!"
I love that band. |
Edited by - hammerhands on 06/09/2005 10:41:13 |
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geertos
- FB Fan -
Belgium
158 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 01:05:56
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In Europe, all concerts are all ages. I'm actually totally clueless about the point of having 21+ concerts. Or even 18+ concerts. I mean, what goes on at those 21+ concerts anyway, people having intercourse in public? Violent pictures projected during the concert? Or is it just an alcohol thing? Seriously, tell me, because I don't know.
Well, maybe you're not allowed to see Frank Black, but at least you guys are allowed to wear weapons instead, so you can kill each other off to ventilate your frustration ;)
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 06/09/2005 : 01:08:38
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Yeah, this age limits you have in the USA seem really stupid to me too. Does Avril Lavigne play in 21+ venues?
Denis
I know the god of rock n roll / Yeah I sold him my soul! |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5456 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 01:28:34
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| Unfunny US bashing aside - 21+ shows are for places that sell alcohol. Some bars have under 21 shows, but they then have to set up a separate areas or card everyone who orders a drink. |
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geertos
- FB Fan -
Belgium
158 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 01:34:07
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| Thanks for explaining. And for bypassing the US-bashing. It was unfunny indeed. |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7446 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 01:42:10
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OK. The age limit to drink alcohol in France is 16 I think, but you can go to concerts before that. I suppose they check your ID when you look too young.
Denis
I know the god of rock n roll / Yeah I sold him my soul! |
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 01:53:51
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To be honest, now that I'm old I can see the attraction of an over 21 gig asides from the obvious money/drinky thing, kids at gigs are fucking annoying. And it's harder to tell the difference between a 15 year old and a 21 year old than a 15 and an 18 year old. Of course when I was 15 I saw no problem being at gigs, heh, oh the hypocrisy of the old.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 04:19:19
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i don´t see the point in restricting gigs like that, age is no cure for childish behaviour. And Tre, Buddhism is old, you´re not.
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"Here love," brakes on a high squeak, "it´s not backstage at the old Windmill or something, you know." |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 06/09/2005 : 04:33:31
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Music is for the people, no matter what their age!
(Great Scott Boutier story, prozacrat!)
 I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics |
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 05:26:12
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It's simple enough to card people before they enter the venue and give them a wristband if they're 21 so they can drink. I've been to plenty of places that do that. As far as kids being annoying, I guess you have a valid point and if I was 21 I would probably appreciate it. But come on, how many kids (besides me) would go to a Jonathan Richman show anyways. And any kid that would, would probably not be annoying. Now 18 and over I think is absolutely pointless.
So do you guys think it's worth a try for me to try to get into the 18 and over Jonathan Richman show this Saturday (I'm 17)? Well, obviously it's worth a try, but I hate to drive an hour and a half over there and pay $10 for the tickets and not get in. So I guess I'm asking what are my chances of getting in? Are most venues very strict about it? It's the 40 Watt Club in Athens, GA, in case anyone's familiar with their policies.
ˇViva los Católicos! http://adrianfoster.dmusic.com/ |
Edited by - NimrodsSon on 06/09/2005 05:26:49 |
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
6370 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 05:50:32
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hehe sorry I was being all obnoxious there..
but I will admit there are times I have been at a gig or alternative club and the troops of underage drunk pricks have made me wish for tighter security and a higher cut off age, I am well aware that people older than me can be just as prick-like in these situations.
Also, Owen, quarter of a century this year, saga holidays any day now!
[insert apropriate smiley face]
I think you should risk it because you'll kick yourself if you don't, and you'll always not know! I think the over 21's thing is financial isn't it? the more punters who can drink the more profit in the bar till?
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 06:51:47
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I had no idea you were that young NimrodsSon.
I guess floop WAS right!
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 07:37:26
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age limit is completely useless and a stupid discrimination. i would be very pissed of if i'd missed the ramones, motorhead or iggy pop or whatever back at the time just for being under 18. alcohol is not an excuse since you can buy it elsewhere anyway. and i don't care if kids act stupid at a gig. i was a kid after all and concerts are meant to be fun. if you feel old and consider a rock concert similar to opera or church stay at home and listen to a damn cd. i hate those people that go "shhhhh" and "please i'm trying to listen to the music" in the middle of a 10million watt concert. the kids are always right. my advice to youngsters: try to bypass security and have a good time.
 Like private parts to the Gods are we, they play with us for their sport |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 06/09/2005 : 08:12:47
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Originally posted by geertos
In Europe, all concerts are all ages. I'm actually totally clueless about the point of having 21+ concerts. Or even 18+ concerts. I mean, what goes on at those 21+ concerts anyway, people having intercourse in public? Violent pictures projected during the concert? Or is it just an alcohol thing? Seriously, tell me, because I don't know.
Well, maybe you're not allowed to see Frank Black, but at least you guys are allowed to wear weapons instead, so you can kill each other off to ventilate your frustration ;)
it's all about the venues making money in alcohol sales |
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mosleyk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
607 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 08:26:21
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 10:31:57
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Well put, mun, although if I'm being entirely honest, I have to admit I'm one of those people that would prefer for it to be quiet at concerts (though I've never shh'd anybody), but I guess it depends on the concert. For example, if it were Frank Black and the Catholics, I wouldn't care if people were screaming and having a good time, but if it were Brian Wilson performing SMiLE, I'd prefer the opera/church-like setting. If I can get into the Jonathan Richman show, I'd probably like for the screaming and talking to be kept to a minimum (unless he's playing "Ice Cream Man" )
So we've extablished pretty firmly that the 21 thing is for drinking purposes (although I still find it unnecessary), but why the hell do they have 18 and older concerts? I guess so all the elitist college pricks can be, well, elitist college pricks, and not allow others who might actually care about the music in.
ˇViva los Católicos! http://adrianfoster.dmusic.com/ |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5456 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2005 : 10:40:55
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geertos
- FB Fan -
Belgium
158 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2005 : 00:54:27
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Ooh, this thread has taken an interesting turn: talking during concerts. Absolutely can't stand it. I obviously don't mind people enjoying themselves and singing along, but what does annoy me is when people show absolutely no interest in the concert and are just talking to their neighbour for three songs in a row. You can talk for hours during the road and between the support act and main act, but noooo, what happened to them the other day is so very important it has to be told during the concert you paid 30 euros for. I'm too shy to "shhh" anybody, but I do have given some people the frowning of a lifetime (and have changed places during concerts quite often, but mostly to find myself in the presence of even more annoying "socializers"). And to stay on topic: it's mostly elderly people who act like that. Minors have to spend their total allowance for attending a concert once in a while, so they're usually very respectful.
As for Jonathan Richman... I've seen him once, but sadly missed the first half of it... What I saw was pretty good, but not exactly mindblowing: just two guys one a stage, playing some simple acoustic songs that I didn't recognize. Afterwards, we saw him walking to his hotel with his suitcase, alone, so this crazy Norwegian girls we were with went up to him (I merely followed them), and invited him for a party they were having that evening. But Jonathan declined, saying he was tired and wanted to go to sleep, but thanked for the offer anyway. Very weird situation. Nice guy. |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5157 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2005 : 07:31:48
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i'm with a lot of the legals here where i feel that when i was 19, this was a huge crock of shit. and now, i generally enjoy 21/+ shows because the atmosphere is a little more relaxed. however, i think that age is a terrible way to allow people into a show.
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this past week i saw a show with our own Sir Rockabye, who is 16. He and his friends were really cool, respectful and enjoyed the show without being jackasses. same goes for the first show i saw with him. i always tell him that he makes me rethink my bashing of all ages shows. i think there should be some sort of personality test given at shows that determines who can come in. that way you wouldn't get people at frank black shows screaming for 'gigantic' (which i've seen), or at malkmus shows screaming for 'stereo' (ditto), or people drinking too much and being assholes, or people who will crowd surf and kick your fucking glasses off your face and under the stage (happened to me once as well...)
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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NimrodsSon
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1938 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2005 : 08:57:58
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Well, I went to the Jonathan Richman concert last night (the 18+ one) and got in, no questions asked. They were checking ID's, so I gave the lady mine and she examined it closely but didn't say anything and let me right in, so that didn't take any effort on my part. And God, what a great show it was! The guy is a natural performer. I think everyone there, whether they liked the music or not, had a blast. He's a really fun and funny guy, and one of the few artists out there who's music and personality just exude love. His dancing was great and every once in a while he'd put down his guitar and start playing some bizarre percussion instrument that didn't really fit in with the song at all, inciting laughter and applause from the audience. Everyone would clap along to all the songs, as he said, "Yeah, keep doing that; it really warms the place up when you clap along like that." The funniest part of the show for me was when he performed "Let her go into the darkness," with the dialogues between the guy and girlfriend in English, French, and Italian. Everyone was disappointed at the end when he said that he didn't do encores, that once they left the stage it was over, but he gave in and ended with a gorgeous accapella rendition of "Not So Much to be Loved as to love." It was a fantastic show and I look forward to seeing him again when he comes back (hopefully it won't be 21+)!
ˇViva los Católicos! http://adrianfoster.dmusic.com/ |
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Broken Face
-= Forum Pistolero =-
USA
5157 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2005 : 09:11:21
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i love JoJo - the only time i've seen him though is 3 days after i had my wisdom teeth pulled, so i was in a shitload of pain and didn't enjoy it as much as i should have. if it works properly, here is a photo i took on my cell phone of the show (i was right in front of him - i got there a good 2 hours early b/c i totally miscalculated my time with the bus, subway, dinner and a stop in a bookstore, so i just camped out in front of the stage and read a book
-Brian
If you move I shoots!
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 06/12/2005 : 09:16:14
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Yeah, I saw Jonathat Richman last month or so and it was just like you described it. It was a classic guitar + drums set, right? Very few people showed up but you could see some of them were real die-hard fans and it was so nice to see their happy faces. The atmosphere was great, people really got into the songs and responded well to the jokes and the lyrics changes and all. A very nice and fun little concert.
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prozacrat
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1186 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2005 : 20:44:28
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 06/16/2005 : 21:44:26
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Im missin bishop allen cause theyre playing in the mercury lounge in NY and its 21+ over :(
The Truth Is Out There |
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Superabounder
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 06/16/2005 : 22:01:33
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I can feel it coming. Pretty soon I will go to a show run by a smart alecky 21 year old and be told this is a 24 and under show.
All of the true things I am about to tell you are shameless lies |
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21 and older concerts piss me off!!!!!
