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VoVat
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Posted - 05/19/2005 :  14:59:00  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Since there's a thread on underrated songs, I might as well start this one.

I can't really think of any Frank solo/Catholics songs that I would consider overrated, but, in terms of Pixies material, I think "Tame" and "Gouge Away" might be. I like them, but I think they get too much attention when compared to other, better Pixies songs.



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Carl
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Ireland
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Posted - 05/19/2005 :  16:46:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I know what you mean about both those songs, but I do feel Gouge Away is a kind of slow burner of a song. And they are both great songs, to be honest.
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ElevatorLady
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Posted - 05/19/2005 :  17:19:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tame is a very simple song so it's certainly not their best, but for some reason it's one of my favorites (it just does something to me when I listen to it).
Now the song I really think is overrated is Monkey Gone To Heaven. Never really liked it.
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Thomas
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Posted - 05/19/2005 :  17:31:16  Show Profile  Click to see Thomas's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Most Overrated Song is the one that is played out on the radio all the time.

oh wait.


"Our Love is Rice and Beans and Horses Lard"
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BLT
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 05/19/2005 :  17:36:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Hotel California" is absolutely overrated. I hate that fucking song.
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scruvs
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  00:14:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Caribou." I've learned to appreciate it more over time.

"Gouge Away" and "Tame" are two of my favorites Pixies songs. So aggressive and so sexy, respectively.


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Antoinette
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  00:31:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No matter how much attention gets paid to any Pixies song, it's never enough to merit overrating, 'cause they just don't get enough recognition, ultimately. And, w/out saying, so it goes for Frank Black, too.
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lonely persuader
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Ireland
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  03:21:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
YOUR overrated
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fbc
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  06:38:10  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Ooh Vovat, what have you done?

This is tricky. I can't really say what's overrated, but I do think WIMM? is one song jumpers on the band wagon seem to know and recite to prove their fandom. Yet mention Alec Eiffel or Theme From Narc and they'll look as blank as my expression listening to Radio 1.
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ElevatorLady
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  06:45:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
WIMM is popular, but that does not make it overrated. It's a good song, no?
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
11546 Posts

Posted - 05/20/2005 :  06:50:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fbc

I can't really say what's overrated, but I do think WIMM? is one song jumpers on the band wagon seem to know and recite to prove their fandom.


It's annoying, but people only know what they know!!

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fbc
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  06:54:24  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
True. But they're missing out on the real gems.
The Pixie catalogue needs to be listened too from start to finish.
From the college demos through to Bam Thwok.
No filler. All class.
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kathryn
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Belgium
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  10:59:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This thread, I can't....I just ....


I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
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fbc
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  11:03:34  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElevatorLady

WIMM is popular, but that does not make it overrated. It's a good song, no?



a very good song, that's why i could never say it's overrated.
i meant it's not the best song (from a song structure p.o.v) Frank's ever written
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PsychicTwin
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USA
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  11:22:53  Show Profile  Visit PsychicTwin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElevatorLady

Now the song I really think is overrated is Monkey Gone To Heaven. Never really liked it.



I agree with you completely. definitely overrated...and one of my least favorites
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Kirk
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USA
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  11:28:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That monkey song wouldn't be much without the "Man=5, Devil=6, God=7"

I was a little upset that he didn't include "Kirk=8"
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ElevatorLady
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  12:59:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kirk

That monkey song wouldn't be much without the "Man=5, Devil=6, God=7"



Exactly. Those couple of seconds are classic, but the rest is just bah.
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fbc
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  14:26:49  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
'Monkey' will always have a special place in my heart.
The way he used to ride that cloud and actually turn into a monkey...cool shit man.
but i digress..

The first time I saw the Pixies on tv was a show in England, and Monkey Gone To Heaven was the song.
I was hypnotised by...

...the way Black strummed the D chord, then slid to B, then back up to D without lifting his fingers off the board or strumming per chord.
...the way he would sing and look to the heavens.
...that scream for "GOD IS SEVEN"
...Kim just standing there glued to the spot plucking away and singing for fun.
...Joey playing the most simple of solos and looking at Kim with some immense connection
...and Dave's vest

Monkey Gone To Heaven is a cult classic. Through these eyes and ears anyway.
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The Holiday Son
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France
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  14:31:34  Show Profile  Visit The Holiday Son's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Monkey is way overrated.

Los Angeles also. It's a great song but everybody looooooooooves it and there are way better songs on the album (namely: places, old black, adda lee and don't ya rile em)
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fbc
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  14:45:22  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Carl
It's annoying, but people only know what they know!!


too true. aslong as we know better, we'll be alllllright

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OldManInaCoffeeCan
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  14:59:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fbc

'Monkey' will always have a special place in my heart.
The way he used to ride that cloud and actually turn into a monkey...cool shit man.
but i digress..

The first time I saw the Pixies on tv was a show in England, and Monkey Gone To Heaven was the song.
I was hypnotised by...

...the way Black strummed the D chord, then slid to B, then back up to D without lifting his fingers off the board or strumming per chord.
...the way he would sing and look to the heavens.
...that scream for "GOD IS SEVEN"
...Kim just standing there glued to the spot plucking away and singing for fun.
...Joey playing the most simple of solos and looking at Kim with some immense connection
...and Dave's vest

Monkey Gone To Heaven is a cult classic. Through these eyes and ears anyway.




Nice Post fbc

Was this television appearance pre-break-up Pixies, or the more recent reunion Pixies. Just wondering.

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fbc
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  15:48:25  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
it was an old music show years back which was re-run on some satellite channel.
I used to skip to the channel and they'd be the last few notes of the song. missed it again.
i sat there many a time through the tuneless bands waiting for it's return
then one day, while i was sitting on the floor waiting to press record in anticipation, on it came.
black francis in a plaid red shirt eyes to the skies
my very first visual taste of the band way before i used the net.
i'll seek it out tomorrow and take a pic.
that's why Monkey will always be close to my heart amongst the many songs.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
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Posted - 05/20/2005 :  18:57:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It was'nt SNUB TV, was it? I have a SNUB video with the Vamos from the Town And Country show on it. I have to say, as bored as many become with Monkey, those beautiful chorus harmonies, Joey's guitar and the strings are memorable. And the crashing intro....DAWM DAWN DAWN DAWN!! It's a song that I'm sure intrroduced a lot of people to the Pixies, it really strikes you. It would be another band's best song!!
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fbc
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Posted - 05/21/2005 :  04:15:41  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
from the late show 1989
shown oh UKarena



(sorry vovat, off on a bit of a tangent here)

Edited by - fbc on 05/21/2005 04:17:51
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
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Posted - 05/21/2005 :  04:19:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I like that pic!
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fbc
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Posted - 05/21/2005 :  04:23:44  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
look at his eyes. this is a man who has full faith in his song and band
(you see joey checking out Kim?)

Edited by - fbc on 05/21/2005 04:26:28
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fbc
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Posted - 05/21/2005 :  04:25:29  Show Profile  Visit fbc's Homepage  Reply with Quote
this one's for you, Carl

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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
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Posted - 05/21/2005 :  04:38:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Much obliged, fbc! Ain't she sweet? :)
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Devils Islander
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United Kingdom
101 Posts

Posted - 05/21/2005 :  06:37:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
With my clammy hand on my foul black heart, I can honestly say that I do not think that any of FB's songs are overrated...well at least not until the comparitively weak 'Honeycomb' is officially released.

...where the Ballyhoos and the Tritons are.
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IceCream
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Posted - 05/21/2005 :  07:50:06  Show Profile  Visit IceCream's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Massif Centrale and Speedy Marie.......I don't think they should have won survivor. In no way I could ever comprehend the placement of Speedy over White Noise Maker.
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
11546 Posts

Posted - 05/21/2005 :  11:28:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Speedy Marie won that?! Wow, that must of been a bad day for the bookies! ;)
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Cazmastic87
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USA
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Posted - 05/21/2005 :  20:56:44  Show Profile  Visit Cazmastic87's Homepage  Click to see Cazmastic87's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
"The Navajo Know"

It's a bad song and a Horrible way to end a Last Album.

Michael Costello
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
11546 Posts

Posted - 05/22/2005 :  05:11:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's not great. It does have a cool kind of 1920's song thing going on, or something!!
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Devils Islander
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Posted - 05/22/2005 :  05:41:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
'Survivor'? I was vaguely aware of it going on at the time, but never really bothered to follow it, as it all seemed a bit silly. Was that like a poll to find out the most popular FB song? If so, was there ever anything similar to discover the least popular thing in the king's back catalogue?

...where the Ballyhoos and the Tritons are.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~

Spain
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Posted - 05/22/2005 :  12:36:30  Show Profile  Click to see Newo's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<



USA
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Posted - 05/19/2005 : 14:59:00
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Since there's a thread on underrated songs, I might as well start this one.

I can't really think of any Frank solo/Catholics songs that I would consider overrated, but, in terms of Pixies material, I think "Tame" and "Gouge Away" might be. I like them, but I think they get too much attention when compared to other, better Pixies songs.


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I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied.

Carl
* Dog in the Sand *



Ireland
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Posted - 05/19/2005 : 16:46:24
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I know what you mean about both those songs, but I do feel Gouge Away is a kind of slow burner of a song. And they are both great songs, to be honest.


ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =



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Posted - 05/19/2005 : 17:19:36
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Tame is a very simple song so it's certainly not their best, but for some reason it's one of my favorites (it just does something to me when I listen to it).
Now the song I really think is overrated is Monkey Gone To Heaven. Never really liked it.


Thomas
= Cult of Ray =



USA
1132 Posts
Posted - 05/19/2005 : 17:31:16
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Most Overrated Song is the one that is played out on the radio all the time.

oh wait.


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"Our Love is Rice and Beans and Horses Lard"


BLT
> Teenager of the Year <



South Sandwich Islands
2672 Posts
Posted - 05/19/2005 : 17:36:47
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"Hotel California" is absolutely overrated. I hate that fucking song.






I'll see your dislike of Hotel California and raise you a dislike of the Eagles, period.



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Chris D.
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USA
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Posted - 05/22/2005 :  13:50:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, any discussion of overrated Pixies or Frank songs would have to be relatively speaking, right? Neither are huge. However, I do feel the Pixies get a bit overrated. Great music, of course, but I find the performance and production a bit better in Frank's solo tunes, which are outright ignored by almost every critic. Even most Pixies "fans" (not the types who would post on this board) don't seem to acknowledge anything recorded after "Surfer Rosa." So I'll say the latter half of "Surfer Rosa" (everything from "Cactus" on) is overrated. They're okay songs, but not great. This is early Frank, obviously he wrote better songs once he had more experience. Please don't flame me. Just prefer the later Pixies stuff. I'm not just trying to be contrary.
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