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Brackish
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 Posted - 05/06/2005 : 11:34:08
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| Do you know how to break a paperclip? You keep bending it back and forth, back and forth until the stress makes it just snap. When I'm flying I always think about that, and how the wings of the plane are being pulled up and down, and up and down by turbulence, and how stress is building up on the connection to the body of the plane and will eventually snap. Maybe I should stop thinking about that. You could say I don't really like flying. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 05/06/2005 : 11:35:25
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| try making a pit stop at the airport bar before your flight. i find it makes the whole experience much more enjoyable |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2005 : 12:02:54
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yeah, you know. did that flight before last (out to spain). couple of pints, felt a lot more relaxed.
 Oh let it linger |
Edited by - PixieSteve on 05/06/2005 12:03:28 |
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50 Pence
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
284 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2005 : 12:04:50
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bare joks
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2005 : 17:13:47
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Originally posted by Brackish
Do you know how to break a paperclip? You keep bending it back and forth, back and forth until the stress makes it just snap. When I'm flying I always think about that, and how the wings of the plane are being pulled up and down, and up and down by turbulence, and how stress is building up on the connection to the body of the plane and will eventually snap. Maybe I should stop thinking about that. You could say I don't really like flying.
If it helps you, an airplane's wings aren't really like that at all. First of all, there is not a single point of 'bending' if you will. Rather, the whole wing moves in little bits (it's designed to flex). This means there is not a point of stress or pivot where the wing would snap. Secondly, the wings don't really move all that much. They just move first and pull the fuselage along for the ride. So if there's a sudden updraft, the wings will absorb some of the shock, generate the lift (with the wings bending), and pull the plane along up.
 "Joined the Cult of Frank / And you'll be enlightened" |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2005 : 18:37:46
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| except for those times when it snaps off |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 05/06/2005 : 22:53:46
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I do see a point to the theory because basically everything comes from within you.
Luckily I am not afraid to fly but am of some other things. For a while the really teeny commuter jets freaked the living you know what out of me. Around 911 I got a little paranoid about some of the passangers. I have been on flights w/really bad turbulence.
But mostly I think I am not afraid because I flew at a very young age. It was seen as super fun... looking at all the tiny "ant" people... so its ok with me. |
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shineoftheever
> Teenager of the Year <
Canada
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Surfer Rosa
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 05/07/2005 : 01:24:17
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2005 : 11:23:52
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When I've been closer to smash my car against another driver, I'm more scared to survive and have to run all the legal actions that follow a car accident rather than a quick, painful death.
I know what you mean.
It may sound silly, but I'd prefer to die in a way that isn't my fault, and doesn't cause harm to anyone else.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2005 : 11:33:37
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Originally posted by Daisy Girl
I do see a point to the theory because basically everything comes from within you.
but engine failure comes from without you. same for plane snapping off..
sorry, still don't buy it
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the_black_rider
- FB Fan -
Azerbaijan
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Posted - 05/07/2005 : 12:01:35
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Get real. The only thing that comes "from within you"
is gas. And that ain't downing a plane.
 ...everything is new... |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2005 : 12:07:39
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cum comes from within you. maybe if you came on the pilot's face he might lose control and crash?
Oh let it linger |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2005 : 12:14:44
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Originally posted by Daisy Girl
I do see a point to the theory because basically everything comes from within you.
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but engine failure comes from without you. same for plane snapping off..
But FEAR of those things comes from within you, right?
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 05/07/2005 : 12:18:33
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well that's stupid. all fear comes from within because it's an emotion.
what he actually said, at least how floop phrased it, was that being afraid of flying is being afraid of yourself. that's what's being contested.
Oh let it linger |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2005 : 12:41:35
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Eh...Ray might be right about eating dirt and Turkish coffee without sugar, but I don't know that I can agree with him here. He might be right in certain cases, but I think making a blanket statement like that reeks of a gnostic, anti-material, power-of-positive-thinking, self-help philosophy.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2005 : 13:20:11
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Originally posted by floop
i don't know if i agree with Ray on his theroy that if you're afraid of flying you're just afraid of yourself.
I'm surprised Frank didn't pursue this. Given that we as a community are rightly inclined to accord Ray due respect, perhaps we should think in terms of how this statement might make sense to him, and thereby to us. It reminds me of a professor who spoke of Socrates as a soldier who was able to behave properly in conditions of mortal danger especially because he did not think of the corporeal life as something worth covetting. Then again, Socrates and Plato believed in some sort of afterlife, which must have helped wiith devaluing this life that we know and, generally, covet. So, that said, what self is it that Ray would say we fear? A self that would disgrace itself in panic? A self that does not see its life as complete, however suddenly it may be ended? I agree with hints in the thread that in a certain profound sense all is a function of the self. The self is the totality of one's life, of one's experience, and so, in a sense both trivial and profound, to fear flying, and death, is to fear self, for all is of self, especially fear of death.
Sorry. Don't mean to appear pedantic, but Ray , to my mind, is probably onto something profound, but belying that assumption is the fact that he declined to expound. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2005 : 15:25:50
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i think people are assuming that because i don't agree with Ray, i'm not seeing the deeper, philosophical implications of what he means by "afraid of ones self".. but in fact i do.
and still disagree.
fear of flying = fear of crashing in plane
if you were camping in the woods and an angry grizzly bear was trying to get into your tent, and you were afraid, are you afraid of the grizzly bear or are you afraid of yourself? |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2005 : 16:25:29
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Maybe there really IS no grizzly bear. It's just your own mind.
I was all out of luck, like a duck that died. I was all out of juice, like a moose denied. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 01:49:16
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Originally posted by floop
if you were camping in the woods and an angry grizzly bear was trying to get into your tent, and you were afraid, are you afraid of the grizzly bear or are you afraid of yourself?
solid point |
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Ray Bradbury's fear of flying theory
