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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
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 Posted - 04/15/2005 : 02:17:19
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Yeah, it is becoming boring...
I feel like I am back to College in those silly 90's...
You may accuse me of musical revisionism (I don't mind) but I believe that Nirvana actually played a minor role in pop music. Musically it's nothing but heavy rock.
Nirvana, nirvana blabla blabla. Stop it please.
Their music is BORING. Smells like a teenager. i.e. it sticks!!!
Pixies music is way much mature, arty and less conotated.
And especially alive and out od fashion.
The influence Nirvana had over bands and fashion was BAD.
I wish we had a day without quoting the same things about Nirvana. There must be plenty of forums dealing with necrophilic bad taste where Nirvana fans can share their enthousiasm for boring teenage suicide lust things... and boring heavy rock.
Thank You.
I'm a regular old fashion music admirer. |
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2008 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2005 : 02:51:59
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Originally posted by hWolsky
The influence Nirvana had over bands and fashion was BAD.
yes, but whose fault is it really... ? |
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2005 : 03:07:30
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It's like in history, politic. Great ideas turned into dogmas... and it's gone, all the freshness and interest is wasted. Nirvana's fault was to turn weird music into digestive fm rock half-rebel half-compromised. He did not give teenagers the keys, he merely produce passes (U know keys that are designed to open every kind of door)... All the symbolic dimension was then disolved...
Nirvana is an heresy (U know, a stuff...)
Cutty Kobain did what he had to... (actually, he could have killed the band only and turn into a geek model or surf designer...)
I'm a regular old fashion music admirer. |
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geertos
- FB Fan -
Belgium
158 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2005 : 03:50:51
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| Who's talking about nirvana now? |
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2005 : 04:53:09
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ME, me , me.
If only I were da last...
I'm a regular old fashion music admirer. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2005 : 08:35:12
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I can't stop posting jokes about this topic at the moment. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 04/15/2005 : 12:34:19
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Their music is BORING. Smells like a teenager. i.e. it sticks!!!
So can it be used as an adhesive?
Seriously, I largely agree with you, but do we really NEED another Nirvana-related topic?
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
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kurtblack
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
46 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 07:26:14
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Originally posted by hWolsky
You may accuse me of musical revisionism (I don't mind) but I believe that Nirvana actually played a minor role in pop music. Musically it's nothing but heavy rock.
Saying you're sick of Nirvana-related discussions on the forum is one thing, but saying Nirvana played a minor role in music is ridiculous in my opinion.
Obviously you don't like Nirvana. OK, fine. But the fact that you can't recognize their influence on other musicians and importance in the music world of the last 10+ years shows some real ignorance.
I hate hip hop and rap but can't deny it's importance and affect on our culture.
When Nirvana released Nevermind, they blew shit like Whitney Houston and the big-hair bands off the record charts and opened the door for radio stations to play more "alternative" music. I grew up in a small town and Nirvana was the gateway band to others I had never heard of or barely heard of like the Pixies. Hearing the Pixies mentioned constantly in articles at the time (and barely remembering "Here Comes Your Man" played on Mtv's 120 Minutes), I went out and bought Surfer Rosa.
Also, the fact that Nevermind is always on Top-whatever lists of albums chosen by fans and musicians in the industry pretty much blows your "Nirvana actually played a minor role in pop music" theory to hell. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 09:30:26
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| Seriously, that's a good point-by achieving such commercial success, they did point the way for a lot of people who had'nt heard much 'independant', 'alternative' music. Kurt Cobain once said that he liked to namedrop smaller bands/wear t-shirts to publicise them. You'd never know you were a Nirvana fan from your name, Kurtblack! ;) |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 12:35:09
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Also, the fact that Nevermind is always on Top-whatever lists of albums chosen by fans and musicians in the industry pretty much blows your "Nirvana actually played a minor role in pop music" theory to hell.
Well, the fact that a lot of people like something doesn't necessarily make it all that significant or influential in the grand scheme of things.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
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Levitated
= Cult of Ray =
Chile
652 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 16:02:41
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I don't want to make another crazy Nirvana thread so I'll post here about some real/fake rumors about Pixies/Nirvana connections:
- On August 1991 in the european festivals Black Francis (solo), Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, Ramones, Mudhoney and lots of more bands played there. Is it true that in a Black Francis show Kurt washed him using a fire extinguisher?? I guess it was on Pukkelpop Fest
- In the same euro festivals, is it true that Kurt (knowing the love BF had for the Ramones) changed the order of the tables in the casino and put the Black Francis' table next to the Ramones' table??
- Is it true that Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic met the Pixies last year at backstage?? |
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
385 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 16:09:23
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| Is it true that Nirvana ripped off Pixies? |
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
385 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 16:12:02
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| Do you think Smells Like Teenager is a U-mass or Debaser ripp-off? |
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
385 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 16:17:15
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| I think Pixies should be more like Nirvana. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 04/16/2005 : 16:33:19
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In answer, M. EL:
No
Neither - there's rip-off, there's referencing, and there's plagiarism, and SMTS may be referencing Debaser (not U-Mass - they came out at the same time)
No
I realise these were all entirely rhetorical, but I wanted to answer, y'know, as an expert.
 I'm like a lost snail in the night. |
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kurtblack
- FB Fan -
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46 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 17:42:37
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VoVat
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Well, the fact that a lot of people like something doesn't necessarily make it all that significant or influential in the grand scheme of things.
I really don't understand your argument in the context of this discussion. If fans, people in the music industry and musicians vote and say an album or a band are significant and influential, then I think it's safe to say that it does make it "significant or influential in the grand scheme of things".
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One example:
"The editors at Rolling Stone polled an array of musicians, critics, and influential industry figures to come up with these 500 Greatest Albums Ever Made. Nearly 300 such music experts responded, each with a list of 50 albums."
#17 Nevermind - Nirvana
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Little Black Francis
> Teenager of the Year <
3648 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 19:29:48
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 "When they clean the street, I'll be the only shit that's left behind" |
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Levitated
= Cult of Ray =
Chile
652 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 20:12:37
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| Damn, I was being serious, not that I'm a negative creep but... topic closed!! at least for me! ;) |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2005 : 20:40:14
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I really don't understand your argument in the context of this discussion. If fans, people in the music industry and musicians vote and say an album or a band are significant and influential, then I think it's safe to say that it does make it "significant or influential in the grand scheme of things".
Well, before, you simply said that "Nevermind is always on Top-whatever lists of albums chosen by fans and musicians in the industry." A "top-whatever list" could easily just be a list of albums these people like; and liking something doesn't mean you're necessarily influenced by it.
As for what it has to do with the context of the discussion, not much. I'm not disagreeing with your main point, just saying that this one sentence doesn't necessarily support it.
"Reunion? Shit union!" |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2005 : 14:51:17
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| Nirvana really does suck though....and their 'influence' is negligable....wow, so they influenced a lot of idiots, big deal!...and by the way, some jackass on MTV saying that Nirvana had a big influence does not make it so...as well as any Music Press. |
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kurtblack
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
46 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2005 : 16:29:33
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Originally posted by frank_black_francis
Nirvana really does suck though....and their 'influence' is negligable....
Yeah, I get it. You don't like them so therefore they suck and in your mind they have had "negligable" influence. Describing Nirvana's influence on the last 10+ years of music as negligible when all the evidence is to the contrary tells me how much you know about the topic.
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Originally posted by frank_black_francis
wow, so they influenced a lot of idiots, big deal!...
I'm sure The Beatles influenced some idiots too but I wouldn't discount all the great musicians they influenced.
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...and by the way, some jackass on MTV saying that Nirvana had a big influence does not make it so...as well as any Music Press.
Thanks for the tip. I don't remember relying on Mtv to make my point. But thanks to your keen observation I can now stop taking notes every day when I watch Total request Live.
Something tells me that if the topic was the Pixies influence on music, you wouldn't be dismissing the opinions of the music industry, musicians and talking about the idiots they influenced.
This will probably be my last post on this topic. I can see from some comments here that there's probably no point in discussing this. I feel like I'm talking to 16 year-olds. Some of you may be more at home dishing gossip with the girls at the Britney Spears message board. |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/17/2005 : 16:41:36
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Originally posted by kurtblack
I can see from some comments here that there's probably no point in discussing this. I feel like I'm talking to 16 year-olds.
hey kurtblack, in some cases you are.
as someone who liked nirvana in my youth, i was just wondering who you think they've influenced of merit.
I can only think of a few at the moment, it's been a while. That band from australia with that stupid prat of a front man (chris something, i forget), and i know Jeff Buckley (whom i like) was an admirer of Kurt. |
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kurtblack
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
46 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2005 : 18:37:22
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Originally posted by fbc
as someone who liked nirvana in my youth, i was just wondering who you think they've influenced of merit.
I can only think of a few at the moment, it's been a while. That band from australia with that stupid prat of a front man (chris something, i forget), and i know Jeff Buckley (whom i like) was an admirer of Kurt.
Not that I want to start arguing over "bands of merit" but...
Radiohead, Green Day, Weezer, The White Stripes, Queens of the Stoneage
There are alot of bands that were influenced by Nirvana's music and whose careers were helped (or made) because Nevermind broke into the mainstream. After Nevermind took off, record labels and radio stations started looking for rock bands to replace the bullshit Whitney Houston and big-hair-band crap of the late 80s/early 90s.
If Nevermind wouldn't have been so well received, there are many bands that wouldn't have gotten the recognition or had the careers they did....
Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden
I also think it's safe to say that Nirvana brought alot of well-deserved attention to the Pixies... and for that alone I am glad.
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geertos
- FB Fan -
Belgium
158 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 01:26:33
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Originally posted by Levitated
I don't want to make another crazy Nirvana thread so I'll post here about some real/fake rumors about Pixies/Nirvana connections:
- On August 1991 in the european festivals Black Francis (solo), Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, Ramones, Mudhoney and lots of more bands played there. Is it true that in a Black Francis show Kurt washed him using a fire extinguisher?? I guess it was on Pukkelpop Fest
- In the same euro festivals, is it true that Kurt (knowing the love BF had for the Ramones) changed the order of the tables in the casino and put the Black Francis' table next to the Ramones' table??
It was indeed the Belgian Pukkelpop festival, in August 1991. I was actually there, as a fourteen year old. And I still have the backstage-report of that festival, that was published in newspapers afterwards.
The complete line-up was in chronological order: Nirvana (opening at 10 AM, as a last-minute-replacement for the cancelled Limbomaniacs), Ride, An Emotional Fish, House of Love, Dinosaur Jr, BF solo (only announced a week in advance as a surprise act), Sonic Youth, Pogues, Ramones.
After Nirvana’s gig, which included some guitar smashing, and some of the threesome crawling at each other’s shoulders, they apparently went on acting foolishly backstage. There was indeed the notorious mixing of the table-cards for the Ramones and BF, so the Ramones had to sit at a dinertable meant for two, har-har. Also, during BF’s performance, Kurt apparently aimed some water in BF’s direction, but I can tell you, from the audience’s POV, I didn’t notice anything like that. So it wasn’t that BF got all wet, or BF’s performance was even interrupted or anything. Oh and also, Novoselic was puking all over the place backstage that day.
More information over here in spunxtain’s post:
http://forum.frankblack.net/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11775
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 15:43:32
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| Could we stop with the Nirvana now, please?! |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 15:52:52
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Originally posted by kurtblack
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Not that I want to start arguing over "bands of merit" but...
Radiohead, Green Day, Weezer, The White Stripes, Queens of the Stoneage
There are alot of bands that were influenced by Nirvana's music and whose careers were helped (or made) because Nevermind broke into the mainstream. After Nevermind took off, record labels and radio stations started looking for rock bands to replace the bullshit Whitney Houston and big-hair-band crap of the late 80s/early 90s.
If Nevermind wouldn't have been so well received, there are many bands that wouldn't have gotten the recognition or had the careers they did....
Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden
I also think it's safe to say that Nirvana brought alot of well-deserved attention to the Pixies... and for that alone I am glad.
I think its obvious you've observed some 'other' reality.
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/anima/chronoph/muybridge/index.htm |
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kurtblack
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
46 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 16:49:33
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Originally posted by Carl
Could we stop with the Nirvana now, please?!
Is someone holding a gun to your head and making you click links and read things you don't want to? Seriously, if you don't want in on a particular conversation then stay out of it. It's pretty simple. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 16:51:09
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| Naw, see I was only kidding around. Just sticking to the thread's topic! ;) |
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kurtblack
- FB Fan -
United Kingdom
46 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 17:32:25
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I think its obvious you've observed some 'other' reality.
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/anima/chronoph/muybridge/index.htm
Oh my, you really got me with that meaninglesss and out of the blue remark.
If you're comparing me to Edward Muybridge, the most gifted photographer of his time, that would actually be a compliment. Again and again you show your ignorance. Maybe it's best you avoid this topic and any others that require things like thinking and knowledge. |
Edited by - kurtblack on 04/18/2005 17:34:47 |
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kurtblack
- FB Fan -
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46 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 17:33:40
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Originally posted by Carl
Naw, see I was only kidding around. Just sticking to the thread's topic! ;)
My apologies Carl. |
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
11546 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2005 : 17:52:22
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| No problemo. However, I would like to state that there are not enough Nirvana topics on this forum, etc. ;) |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2005 : 00:09:38
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Whatever people think of Nirvana, I for one am pretty sad that we will never know what type of songwriter Kurt Cobain would have matured in to.
love the Pixies, love frank black more. |
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Posted - 04/19/2005 : 00:27:17
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Maybe he would just rip off Frank...but you'll never know!
I feel like a completely different person |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2005 : 01:21:00
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| true |
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hWolsky
= Cult of Ray =
France
696 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2005 : 05:34:57
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NO MORE POST NOW, thank you.
EUROPE CONSTITUTION: SAY NO (who cares it's just a question of time...) |
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fbc
-= Modulator =-
United Kingdom
4903 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2005 : 09:55:32
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| But your threads hW, they're just too damn irresistable. |
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WOULD YOU STOP NOW WITH NIRVANA please
