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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 04/06/2005 : 10:31:14
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| Its pretty rare to find any Catholics stuff on programs like winmx but i managed to score Devils workshop on there earlier. I do about 4 checks a day for any Frank material i havent got and it appears to have payed off. The guy I got it of was "deano9690_47524" Was it by any chance one Mr Cult_Of_Frank? |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 11:25:37
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i doubt that COF would share official stuff over p2p. and it's easy enough to get a real copy of the original cd in a record store. just buy it
 join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 11:31:24
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| I buy albums that cant usually be downloaded off p2p programs, but to buy an album that i can easily download would be against my pro piracy ethics |
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 11:53:24
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so you actually buy nothing unless you are into obscure 30's jazz quartets that can be found only on 78 vinyl. good for you
join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 11:57:52
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| like i said i have trouble finding much stuff by the catholics on winmx and i got lucky. Ive bought all my other frank albums |
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 11:59:21
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| one more post and maybe this attitude I and all the other newbies get will disappear |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 12:14:30
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what? noob.
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 12:25:38
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so you actually think that i replied in this thread just because you are a newbie and i wanted to be paternalistic in some way? that's awesome! i just thought that starting a thread about dling an official fb album and asking the site administarator if it was him to pass the files was if not really stupid at least of bad taste. my second comment was irony on the fact that you can find virtually anything on p2p. so grow up or accumulate some more posts whatever you prefer. and i don't think that people mistreat newbies here more than they mistreat whoever posts some idiot comment.
join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 12:32:58
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| Never let it be said that Suicide_Samurai does not live up to his name! |
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 12:47:36
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im comforable with my role in this forum |
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 12:56:49
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<-- that looks much better
I read a post a while ago from some long time member who talked about how he was getting tired of this forum now and how its slowly sliding into dreary nothingness. Its people like me and paulw keeping this forum interesting.
Look out for my next post comparing some song off SSMVGD to the album version |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 13:00:04
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i CaN't wAiT!
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
4204 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 13:01:57
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 04/06/2005 : 13:17:27
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Indeed, that's the problem of this world we live in. People who think that troubles and conflicts are interesting and niceness is boring. I don't get it.
I have to say that this forum made me understand that illegal downloading actually is quite disrespectful towards the artist. But although I feel guilty sometimes, I do it anyway, mostly because I can't get some of the albums any other way and also because for the price of one CD I can feed myself for almost a week. The artist deserves to be paid for his good work but on the other hand I have to eat and I really can't live without my music, you know...
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 14:03:28
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Originally posted by ElevatorLady
Indeed, that's the problem of this world we live in. People who think that troubles and conflicts are interesting and niceness is boring. I don't get it.
Part of the problem with niceness is that so much of it is pretense. So often the fans of nice want everybody else to ignore the elephant in the living room. For example, see your average dysfunctional family, or pretend that more talk with Saddam would have made any difference at all. Mommy says "Play nice, play nice". |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 04/06/2005 : 14:16:41
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oh i could write a lot relating to pretense and this forum.
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
385 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 14:57:58
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| Well obviously I'm not saying false niceness is a good thing. I'm not saying that we should act nice at all costs. Maybe I shouldn't really use the word nice. I think what I meant was we should all be more tolerant or something - not in a "I hate you but I'm not going to let you know it because I don't you to dislike me" kind of way but more in a "I don't agree with you and I think you're a prick but then that's just my opinion and I guess we just weren't meant to be friends" kind of way. And I have nothing against a good argument. God, please don't think I'm one of those "why can't we all be friends and peace on earth" kind of person. But there are people out there who simply enjoy pissing off people for absolutely no apparent reason whatsoever. This I don't understand. |
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 15:07:08
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| I dont think you'll ever catch me resorting to calling anyone a prick or anything and i know im going to hell for downloading but i didnt ask for anyones opinion on that. seems some people here just like to take any opportunity to put less significant members like me their place. |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 15:18:39
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maybe you have a point, i can't imagine anyone telling floop the same. but then again i can't imagine floop making the same post as you.
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50 Pence
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
284 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 15:22:55
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Thats cause floop is allow worthy.
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 15:31:07
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 15:32:06
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Originally posted by ElevatorLady
Well obviously I'm not saying false niceness is a good thing. I'm not saying that we should act nice at all costs. Maybe I shouldn't really use the word nice. I think what I meant was we should all be more tolerant or something - not in a "I hate you but I'm not going to let you know it because I don't you to dislike me" kind of way but more in a "I don't agree with you and I think you're a prick but then that's just my opinion and I guess we just weren't meant to be friends" kind of way. And I have nothing against a good argument. God, please don't think I'm one of those "why can't we all be friends and peace on earth" kind of person. But there are people out there who simply enjoy pissing off people for absolutely no apparent reason whatsoever. This I don't understand.
Nice reply Ms. Lady. Thank you. |
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50 Pence
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
284 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 15:36:29
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How wet
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ElevatorLady
= Cult of Ray =
385 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 15:56:27
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by ElevatorLady
Well obviously I'm not saying false niceness is a good thing. I'm not saying that we should act nice at all costs. Maybe I shouldn't really use the word nice. I think what I meant was we should all be more tolerant or something - not in a "I hate you but I'm not going to let you know it because I don't you to dislike me" kind of way but more in a "I don't agree with you and I think you're a prick but then that's just my opinion and I guess we just weren't meant to be friends" kind of way. And I have nothing against a good argument. God, please don't think I'm one of those "why can't we all be friends and peace on earth" kind of person. But there are people out there who simply enjoy pissing off people for absolutely no apparent reason whatsoever. This I don't understand.
Nice reply Ms. Lady. Thank you.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2005 : 16:07:33
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Originally posted by ElevatorLady
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by ElevatorLady
Well obviously I'm not saying false niceness is a good thing. I'm not saying that we should act nice at all costs. Maybe I shouldn't really use the word nice. I think what I meant was we should all be more tolerant or something - not in a "I hate you but I'm not going to let you know it because I don't you to dislike me" kind of way but more in a "I don't agree with you and I think you're a prick but then that's just my opinion and I guess we just weren't meant to be friends" kind of way. And I have nothing against a good argument. God, please don't think I'm one of those "why can't we all be friends and peace on earth" kind of person. But there are people out there who simply enjoy pissing off people for absolutely no apparent reason whatsoever. This I don't understand.
Nice reply Ms. Lady. Thank you.
Are you making fun of me?
No, not at all. After I posted it I thought "Did I really say 'Nice reply'"? My bad. I thought your reply was thoughtful and helpful. |
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Chris Fabulous
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 04/08/2005 : 01:00:24
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Originally posted by Suicide_Samurai
I buy albums that cant usually be downloaded off p2p programs, but to buy an album that i can easily download would be against my pro piracy ethics
Which are much more important that real ethics, like not celebrating how you rip off artist and seemingly expect them to produce music for free for your personal entertainment, right? Assholes like you act like recording and releasing music just happens and the cost involved is somehow superfluous and that you deserve to have it for free. That's complete bullshit, and shows a lack of (a) understanding of the realities of making and playing music and (b)respect for art and its value.
Your "rebellion" is not only bringing down the record companies and millionaire bands you hate, but every hard-working artist that depends on record royalties for a living. I'm not staying that if you don't buy "Devil's Workshop" that Frank is going to have to go get a job at McDonalds tomorrow, but the reality is that many, many artists are getting screwed by this "I won't buy it unless I have to" attitude that you and your ilk celebrate.
If you’re such a renegade-ass pirate, go stick a gun in Rupert Murdoch’s face and take back the airwaves. Throw a nailbomb into the World Bank Headquarters. Hell, go down to Wal-Mart and walk out with your next meal. Then you’d be a real fucking pirate. Don’t rip off an artist whose work warrants a simple fucking paycheck. But that would require more balls than sitting behind your computer, though, so that’s out of the question, right?
So, how's that for nice? Fuck you.
CF
PS - Yeah, I'm new to the forum, but I'm not new to music or to life, so if you try to throw that "noob" shit in my face, you can just shove it right back up your motherfucking ass.
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Doog
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1220 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 07:19:56
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A-friggin-greed.
 "Join the cult of Ray/He was the best Ghostbuster"
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 08:24:27
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 08:38:28
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| You know the only Frank related stuff ive downloaded has been Devils Workshop and Trompe Le monde, I love music but its too damm expensive. I would have never purchased the other 5 Pixies albums if i had never downloaded Where is my mind back in the heady days of discovering the pixies. I didnt know if i would like Franks solo stuff so i downloaded Los Angeles and then ordered 3 of his cds. As well as this i have spread the word and gotten a couple of friends into the Pixies. I just forked out £70 for a day ticket at Leeds festival soloely to see Frank. Maybe if it wasnt for all this I would feel kinda bad, but as it is i think old Frank would be pretty proud of me.. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 10:01:16
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I don't use WinMX, and as MunChien pointed out, asking me publically here is a little shy on tact whether it was me or not.
I've got nothing against previewing some tracks or a disc, I think it's a great tool for discovering new artists, but if you like it, you should buy it. If not, get rid of it. Don't hide behind this whole "it's too expensive" argument, because frankly I don't buy it.
 "Oh dear / I seem to have joined the Cult of Frank." |
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Suicide_Samurai
= Cult of Ray =
United Kingdom
431 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 10:09:56
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| Well you should, when I was 13 i had a weekend job earning £30 a week which I would usually spend on 1 or 2 cds. you should see some of the shit in my collection, a year or two later I got the internet and yeah it was great for previewing stuff and also for ebaying off all the bad albums I had wasted money on. But why go out and buy an album I already have in pirate form. Its plain stupidy, being moral is all fine and good but theres a point where it just becomes sickening. were talking about downloading a few mp3s here |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 10:20:14
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No, you're talking about stealing a few dollars from someone's livelihood here. If I can't afford an album, I'll keep it on a 'to buy' list and pick it up when I do have money. If nobody bought anything they downloaded, then people like Frank would be moving boxes for a living again instead of playing music. So essentially, those of us suffering from "plain stupidy [sic]" are supporting him because people like you are not. If you really think Frank is okay with not being paid for his work, think again.
If it's one song from a CD then I wouldn't really begrudge you, but if you're downloading most or all of an album with the intent of not buying it even if you love it, and you don't think there's anything wrong with that, then perhaps you should go into work and tell your employer they don't have to pay you, but it'd be the moral thing to do.
"Oh dear / I seem to have joined the Cult of Frank." |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 17:08:38
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Your "rebellion" is not only bringing down the record companies and millionaire bands you hate, but every hard-working artist that depends on record royalties for a living.
I really wouldn't say it's "bringing down" anyone. I really don't think a few people downloading songs is making much of a difference. I can see some of the arguments on both sides, and I advocate buying the albums if at all possible, especially if you want the artist to make more albums after that. But I really don't think Suicide Samurai's attitude is prevalent enough to make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things.
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Chris Fabulous
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Posted - 04/08/2005 : 18:38:13
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Originally posted by VoVat
Your "rebellion" is not only bringing down the record companies and millionaire bands you hate, but every hard-working artist that depends on record royalties for a living.
I really wouldn't say it's "bringing down" anyone. I really don't think a few people downloading songs is making much of a difference. I can see some of the arguments on both sides, and I advocate buying the albums if at all possible, especially if you want the artist to make more albums after that. But I really don't think Suicide Samurai's attitude is prevalent enough to make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things.
That message is a really easy one to take to heart if you're looking to justify pirating every piece of music you care to get your hands on. I've heard so many people on the internet shouting this idea from the proverbial mountaintops, proclaiming a new age and calling what they're doing a revolution, when all they're doing is fucking people that create art that they enjoy.
My point is that not only is Suicide Samurai doing this stuff, but he's preaching it like it's something to be proud of, and, yeah, the pervasion of that attitude is detrimental to artists. Even if you own all the other records, it’s still a shitty thing to do to promote that attitude.
Download a track from a record with one good song? Sure. Sample an album and buy it later if you like it? Fine. I do that. I've done it. I just don't feel right sitting around playing a pirated copy of a record I love over and over (like we all do Frank's, no doubt) while the person that spent time and money and put forth an effort to make it isn't seeing dime one from me.
And if you want to do that, go ahead and do it, but don't act like you've got some kind of moral high ground to stand on.
CF
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2005 : 21:12:56
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| This reminds me of the "ends justifying the means" thread, especially regarding Monsieur's point that one measure of the ethical appropriateness of a behavior is to think of universalizing it. If everybody did it, it would kill the goose that lays the golden egg. If everybody steals, either production would cease or the world would become a war of all against all. |
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Chris Fabulous
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Posted - 04/09/2005 : 01:29:27
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Originally posted by Erebus
This reminds me of the "ends justifying the means" thread, especially regarding Monsieur's point that one measure of the ethical appropriateness of a behavior is to think of universalizing it. If everybody did it, it would kill the goose that lays the golden egg. If everybody steals, either production would cease or the world would become a war of all against all.
Exactly. (I think.)
CF
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