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jag
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 Posted - 03/26/2005 : 16:32:02
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I reckon a lot of the lyrics from the earlier songs are made up as he goes along.
I know from doing this myself that pearls of wisdom appear.
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Carl
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Posted - 03/27/2005 : 06:45:04
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| I read somewhere-maybe on Death To The Pixies liner notes-that when he went into the recording booth to do the vocals for Levitate Me, he was looking for lyric suggestions. And I remember him saying in an interview, that some record company execs came around to visit him while he was working on the debut album, tocheck up on his progress with it, so he knocked together the lyrics in a couple of all-nighters! |
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frank black conspiracy
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Posted - 03/27/2005 : 11:14:50
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Originally posted by jag
I reckon a lot of the lyrics from the earlier songs are made up as he goes along.
and the songs sound better for it, don't you think?
music first, lyrics....pfff. lyrics shmyrics.
If you scream like you hate the bitch, i ain't gonna understand them anyway
but you'll find me dancing and tappin' to the sound
you still annihilatin' those amps, jag? |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 03/27/2005 : 17:31:46
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| then again, a lot of frank's lyrics have some thoughtful structure and meaning. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 03/27/2005 : 18:51:06
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I imagine that nothing's more annoying to a musician
than being asked about his "process" and how his
lyrics are devised and What It All Means. Still, I would
love to learn what every single bit of his work is about.
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 13:15:14
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Originally posted by kathryn
I imagine that nothing's more annoying to a musician
than being asked about his "process" and how his
lyrics are devised and What It All Means. Still, I would
love to learn what every single bit of his work is about.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
haha, you bring up a good point kathryn.
I think musicians are kind of belabored by the whole "process" part of it...usually, this is the kind of stuff that "ruins" our own song(s) for us, never allowing us to relate to the resulting product the way we envision that outside listeners will.
I've noticed this when I listen to older recordings that I've forgotten about or no longer involve myself with. I hear them, and for a fleeting instance (or, best case scenario, a good whole minute) I can hear the song as someone else would (hopefully) hear it --(devoid of all notion of ego, process, nit-picky meaning, cause & effect, and disjointed bits that somehow were fused together...)
So I agree that Frank might be annoyed in having to explain the "process" behind the songs. Its kind of like, hey, here is this delicious and wondrous cake that I've been cooking for days/months, frosted perfectly and decorated in a strange and alluring way. Why the hell do you wanna dig your fingers into it, rip out the breading, scrape off the frosting and sprinkles, all the while reading the precise recipe I used to make the cake??
Just eat it and enjoy it. As a cake!
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Chris Fabulous
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 13:50:36
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I was thinking about this same sort of thing earlier, regarding the film Donnie Darko, after I watched the direcor's cut with commentary. Apparently when Richard Kelly was making Donnie Darko and constructing the film's world and rules that it plays by, he was really just trying to tell a pretty literal superhero/time-travel story. The anti-It's a Wonderful Life , sometimes the world is just better off without you thing that I had derived from it was really not the point for Kelly. That's fine, but I can't help but be a little disappointed at his very literal interpretation of a film that I always felt was constructed around a more metaphorical meaning of the time-travel and sci-fi elements.
I really understand now why a lot of artists don't really like to fill in all the blanks, picking apart the specifics of their creations. At that point, the artist has explained all the aspects of the work that were intentionally left unexplained to begin with, so what's the point? There's no longer an opportunity for the audience to fill in the blanks in a really individual way that can make a work of art so special and personal.
I say just enjoy the art that's put out there the way it was created, interpret it, let your imagination go, and leave it at that. Fill in the blanks yourself. That's as good as it's going to get, and searching for the artist's singular all-encompassing explanation is ultimately just disappointing. At the end of this day, if the artist's done his job, his interpretation is no more important that the audience's. He's just filling in those blanks, too.
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jag
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/28/2005 : 15:21:47
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you still annihilatin' those amps, jag?
Yes, thanx FBC.
My amps go up to 11.(Spinal Tap style)
In most cases I think the music comes first.
How could Frank sit down and write lyrics like 'Thalassocracy' on a piece of paper and think I must get some music for that.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 03/30/2005 : 14:46:24
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I think Frank has confessed to usually writing the music first, and also to coming up with general ideas for lyrics before really getting down to writing them. I seem to recall reading an interview where he said he wanted to do a song called "Heloise," and then did some research into the name. The music and title probably came first.
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 03/30/2005 : 15:01:20
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Originally posted by Carl
I read somewhere-maybe on Death To The Pixies liner notes-that when he went into the recording booth to do the vocals for Levitate Me, he was looking for lyric suggestions. And I remember him saying in an interview, that some record company execs came around to visit him while he was working on the debut album, tocheck up on his progress with it, so he knocked together the lyrics in a couple of all-nighters!
Hence the various different names on 'Levitate Me', I think.
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jag
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Posted - 03/30/2005 : 16:20:53
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Frank does what he does, how he does, and somehow we all seem to connect with it.
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PsychicTwin
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 04/12/2005 : 11:11:46
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Originally posted by Chris Fabulous
I say just enjoy the art that's put out there the way it was created, interpret it, let your imagination go, and leave it at that. Fill in the blanks yourself. That's as good as it's going to get, and searching for the artist's singular all-encompassing explanation is ultimately just disappointing. At the end of this day, if the artist's done his job, his interpretation is no more important that the audience's. He's just filling in those blanks, too.
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misterwoe
= Cult of Ray =
Greece
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Posted - 04/20/2005 : 05:53:52
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It's true, you know? Sometimes I like to take a song and twist the meaning around so it can mean what I need it to. For example, I'll take a love song and instead of it being about a person I think of it as about writing. It's Great!
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
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Posted - 04/20/2005 : 07:54:36
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Originally posted by kathryn
I imagine that nothing's more annoying to a musician
than being asked about his "process" and how his
lyrics are devised and What It All Means. Still, I would
love to learn what every single bit of his work is about.
I still believe in the excellent joy of the Catholics
Me too. I love hearing the stories. One thing I am most interested in with the whole QUOTES thing is stuff he has had to say about lyrics specifically. Which you can tell if you see all the quotes I have put up together. I'm biased!
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