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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
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 Posted - 11/27/2004 : 02:34:45
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Ok, so Franks solo albums are out numbered by his work with the Catholics, but which side of the man do you prefer?
I think I've evolved with Franks' music over the years, and love (in variant degrees) all the Catholic records too. But there's that thing in me that always draws me to his earlier stuff, solo Frank. I think it's the quirkiness, alt rock feel and amazing riffs that gets me, whereas the Catholics are more mellow (with exceptions), near country in part/old fashioned kind'a style of writing.
I've been stuck on SMYT for many a month now, love it! But when the urge gets too strong, I pick up the guitar and belt out TOTY.
The Catholics grace my acoustic, but Frank hammers my electric.
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 11/27/2004 : 10:51:44
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The Catholics stuff wins for me
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Adam
= Cult of Ray =
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2004 : 13:17:03
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I'm going with the Catholics, also. I do like to go visit the yellow album from time to time. Since you brought up this question, I have one on kinda the same topic. Since Frank wrote and can preform most the songs from the Pixies through the Catholics, do Dave, Joe and Kim get pissed when the Catholics are doing Pixies songs at their shows?
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Someone
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 11/27/2004 : 13:39:00
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| catholics overall is better. but his solo stuff is weirder and riddled with riddles and strange timing and chords and stuff. its kind of fun to listen to the old stuff and search for meanings and connections. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 11/27/2004 : 14:05:14
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It's a tough call. I'd say TotY is probably my favorite Frank album, but that's closely followed by DitS. I guess I find Frank's solo work to be a little more consistent, but the Catholics have turned out some excellent work, and I like the live-to-two-track thing.
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CaptainMaximus
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 11/27/2004 : 15:04:11
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I'll take the earlier stuff myself.
The eponymous debut and TOTY beat out anything done since, hands down. Sure, Catholics win the quantity card, but in terms of quality, those first two albums are grand and golden.
In order of preference:
1. TOTY (trumps everything else.)
2. Eponymous
3. Pistolero
4. DINTS
5. Catholics debut
6. Cult of Ray
7. DW
8. BLD
9. SMYT
FB will always be my favorite, and though I've developed a bit of a palette for country-flavored genre stuff, it's not my preference. In other words, FB has been losing me. I know the new records coming next year won't change that trend much.
On the other hand, I'm very interested to see what he does with the Pixies. A change of pace would be great. The thing I like about earlier FB is that he was ever-evolving, trying on new musical hats. |
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Posted - 11/27/2004 : 15:56:58
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I can´t really choose between the two, but TOTY is really very good, so with or without catholics, as long as he´s around, it´s good for me.
Valeu a pena? Tudo vale a pena
Se a alma não é pequena.
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Don Eduardo
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
403 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2004 : 16:06:40
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Overall i can't really decide which I like better, though TOTY is definitely my favourite album even including the Pixies. I have to say though im missing the inventiveness of his early albums now, I reckon he's overdoing this whole "embracing cliche" attitude. Not saying I'm not enjoying Honeycomb, theres some great songs on there, but its hard not to miss his old style. Can't say i blame him for taking a more traditional approach though, how would you feel if you created a 22-song visionary masterpiece and bugger-all people bought it??
3rd Annual Australian Frank Black Countdown August 2003 - all involved parties rank EVERY released FB song from FB self/titled to the present - average ranks are calculated - beer (or suitable substitute) is added (mostly in drinking-game form - ie. rate a song well below its average and you drink a punishing amount), then sit back and enjoy a day of frank black....the only problem is quite often memory of the top songs is somewhat limited the next day |
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Superabounder
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1041 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2004 : 22:27:27
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| I certainly worship all things that Frank has done, but I liked the added originality of his solo work, and the feeling of ground breaking style that the yellow album and TOTY had. I guess he didn't create any of those styles from scratch or anything, but he did the fast punk-sounding songs so unbelievably well that it made them seem like a one of a kind style, and the softer achingly beautiful songs like Speedie Marie had an otherworldly perfection to them. Some of the catholics' songs have approached that feeling for me, but they seem more like a comfortable old style, and that there is less of the sonic pyrotechnics that the earlier solo work, and even Pixies albums had. Still, the catholics stuff is all I listen to now after having just about melted down his first two solo albums from over-use throughout the years. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2004 : 04:42:00
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Originally posted by CaptainMaximus
I'll take the earlier stuff myself.
The eponymous debut and TOTY beat out anything done since, hands down. Sure, Catholics win the quantity card, but in terms of quality, those first two albums are grand and golden.
In order of preference:
1. TOTY (trumps everything else.)
2. Eponymous
3. Pistolero
4. DINTS
5. Catholics debut
6. Cult of Ray
7. DW
8. BLD
9. SMYT
FB will always be my favorite, and though I've developed a bit of a palette for country-flavored genre stuff, it's not my preference. In other words, FB has been losing me. I know the new records coming next year won't change that trend much.
On the other hand, I'm very interested to see what he does with the Pixies. A change of pace would be great. The thing I like about earlier FB is that he was ever-evolving, trying on new musical hats.
I am not listening to somebody who calles Dog in the sand DINTS
Still think Frank is evolving
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
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Posted - 11/28/2004 : 08:18:36
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Yeah, that DINTS acronym bugged me. That and the fact that you put SMYT last.
Nothing new to add. Superabounder summed up my thoughts exactly.
Denis
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2004 : 09:36:23
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I have to say that my two favourite records are his first two solo ones, but that I also don't have a real preference as DITS, BLD, SMYT are way up there on the list as well.
 "Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2004 : 11:23:58
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the question is: what is your 1 (only 1) desert island Frank disc? if you were literally being wisked off to a desert island, for the rest of your life, but you could bring 1 Frank cd (there'll be a stereo system on the island), which would you chose?
for me, when it comes down to it, Yellow Album or TOTY are my favorites. but then, if i was on a desert island, i might identify more with the the themes lonliness and death prevalant on Black Letter Days.
still, if pressed, i'd go with the Yellow album.
long live Yellow
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee!
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Edited by - floop on 11/29/2004 14:04:14 |
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Superabounder
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 11/28/2004 : 11:58:39
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2004 : 12:27:26
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you can try to sneak it in, but if they confiscate it don't come crying to me
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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Posted - 11/28/2004 : 12:39:11
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And what about a mix? with some of the favourites Frank Black songs?
Now my problem is...which songs?
I just couldn´t do it!
Valeu a pena? Tudo vale a pena
Se a alma não é pequena.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2004 : 13:03:10
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the question is: what is your 1 (only 1) desert island Frank disc? if you were literally being wisked off to a desert island, for the rest of your life, but you could bring 1 Frank cd (there'll be a stereo system on the island), which would you chose?
I'd probably go with TotY. Not only is it my favorite overall, but it's long, so it would distract me from the fact that I was stranded on an island for a longer period of time than the other CDs.
"Signature quotes are so lame." --Nathan |
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CaptainMaximus
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 11/28/2004 : 17:07:46
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I hope those remarks about the "DINTS" acronym, a typo, were tongue-in-cheek. If not, puh-leeze: get a life.
The old stuff is better than the new---yes, that's my opinion. I don't like SMYT at all---so what? So that makes my opinion invalid? Crazy. That I don't have 40,000 posts and write a new message every three seconds? Even crazier.
Look, I've been a FB fan since 89. I saw the Pixies live in the original incarnation. Moreover, I've seen FB live 22 times. Few people on this board can say that. I love the guy's work, but some of it, I'm not so blinded by my own fandom and sycophancy that I can't admit that it doesn't do much for me. It's called having an opinion. It's pop music. Some people around here act as though to critique a pop album is akin to pissing on the Mona Lisa. I beg to differ.
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
15297 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2004 : 17:13:41
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It's called having an opinion.
a wrong opinion.
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 11/28/2004 : 17:15:43
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i'm kiddin' around by the way, cap'n. i'd actually put SMYT near the bottom of my list too (if not at the bottom) . not that it's bad, i just like everything else that much more.
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2004 : 17:35:37
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I thought of this thread after I got home one evening after work. My first move was to strap on my gee-tar and put on TOTY. The urge always gets to much, it's kinda like a release. The day is done and now it's Me time baby. Few songs in it clicked I do this nearly every day I get home, like a ritual type thing. Total auto pilot
.....must..play..frank..black.
most of the time only TOTY can fully satisfy. followed by a come down with Don't Ya Rile Em.
But I do to love and worship the Catholics too I do
desert island Frank disc: Teenager of the Year
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
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Posted - 11/29/2004 : 00:23:11
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sorry for my honesty, but this is just a stupid thread, imo. for me, FB is everything from come on pilgrim to honeycomb. there is no record which is superior among others, it's the sum and evolution that counts. thinking of FB, i don't think of single records or era's, it's just all which started with that hairy guy on that record on 1987 ('86 ?). i like his music so much, and it just wouldn't work for me just picking out single records.
i mean, take honeycomb or black letter days, one would say, it's just awfully greats record with very fine songs. but then, take trompe le monde or TOTY, or isla de encanta, and consider this all has been written by the same man. i think only then one can grasp the really outstanding talent and vision which ranks FB above many other artists. at least that's how it works for me.
but for sentimental reasons, i would go with the yellow album, especially seeing the cover again.
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Originally posted by floop
long live yellow..
I joined the cult of Souled American / 'cause they are a damn' fine band
[EDIT - Oh God, Floop's illness is spreading!] |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2004 : 02:01:47
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Fuck you, Captain Maximus. You have no taste. You should log out immediately and never come back here.
:) Course I was kidding, and so was Jop/billgoodman. I don't think I've ever fought with anyone on this board. But I do love SMYRT and consider it as one of his bests (followed closely by TOFTY and FB&THEC)
Denis
"I believe in your perfect face..." |
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
1126 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2004 : 03:17:27
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Originally posted by two reelers
sorry for my honesty, but this is just a stupid thread, imo.
Oh I've read plenty more stupid threads round here.
I was just interested to see which style of music you preferred, if you had a gun pointing at your head and some guy shouting "Frank or the Catholics! Frank or the fucking Catholics?!", which you would choose?
It is stupid in the fact that it seems to indicate one style/genre/side of Frank is maybe better than the other. but it isn't. I totally agree with what you said.
I've been watching Frank slowly heading down the Catholics route, polishing his edges as he goes. I was just hoping he may just have one more TOTY/FBesque album left in him that's all |
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Triakel
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 11/29/2004 : 07:42:19
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When I let my Frank collection run on shuffle, or see him live, I get a better feel for the breadth of his work. It's a little like Bowie with his "eras." There's the "Los Angeles"-period albums (Yellow, ToTY), the "Thick White Punk"-era (CoR), then the DIY years (FB&C, Pistolero), and then the inevitable "country twang" time. Throw in the singles and EP stuff, and there's '50s pop, funk, and other styles.
Hey, I've just recounted what everyone knows! Anyway, my point is that I don't favor one period to the exclusion of the others. It's a continuum. My desert island disc would have to be a DVD containing the entire catalogue (and preferably a live show or two) in ogg or something.
BUT ... it great to have a favorite artist who can competently try on different musical styles while remaining "himself." People can rag on Dylan for not writing "Subterranean Homesick Blues" his entire life, but the dude's alive. He changes. We changes. What's he supposed to do? Just die?
I like being along for the ride. "What's on Frank's mind this year?" Steel pedal? Women who done wrong? Cool. I didn't want to think about Luis Bunuel and French comedians today ..." It's nice to have musicians to sort of go through life with, who are a little restless, who want to discover things.
My guess is that FB&C are one expression, or period in his career, and that we'll see new and different things when inspiration strikes. Certainly, Frank's in the league of great songwriters like Dylan, Bowie, Reed, Orbison (or insert name here) who continue(d) to make interesting music nomatter their ages or circumstances.
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2004 : 08:18:45
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I'll give a special title to someone that can scan/find me a picture of the actual CD for FB's orange album and post it here...
"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2004 : 08:52:23
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You're on.
But just what do you mean by "special"? Would that be short-yellow-bus special? I can't afford to be too picky, I guess I'll take what I can get.
For your viewing pleasure, The Orange Album:
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2004 : 08:59:58
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I mean special in the way that can only apply to you, of course! Like the good kind...
Now let me think of a name (unless you have an idea or two?)...
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
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Posted - 11/29/2004 : 09:01:06
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| So, now it takes a 'special' challenge to get you out from your rock? Where have you been? |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2004 : 09:06:27
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Alright, I got one for 'ya Jensy!
"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~
USA
4800 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2004 : 09:27:58
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Mike, I've been mostly sick, or here and there. Unfortunately the two states have not been mutually exclusive. But I just can't resist a challenge when it comes to the Orange-Yellow wars. I'll crawl from my bed with a high fever and a head full of mucus to proclaim "It's Yellow!" or "It's Orange!". I can't even remember which side I'm on, but it still gets my ire up.
I await my dubbing at your wise counsel, Sir Dean. ;) Thank ye kindly.
On topic, I prefer solo Frank. The lineup is pretty similar to Cap'n Maximus' list. Cult of Ray and Pistolero change places IMHO though:
In order of preference:
1. TOTY
2. Eponymous (Orange)
3. Cult of Ray
4. DI*TS
5. Catholics debut
6. Pistolero
7. DW
8. BLD
9. SMYT
edit: What comedic timing. Apparently you are wiser than even I had imagined, dear Dean. I like it. :) |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2004 : 09:52:21
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I just wanted someone to call me "dear Dean" without having some sort of promotional letter attached to it.
"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2004 : 09:55:23
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Well, aren't I an arse. Have some chicken soup for your soul, and feel better soon.
Get well, get well soon, we wish you to get well. |
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floop
= Wannabe Volunteer =
Mexico
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Posted - 11/29/2004 : 09:55:55
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you can edit my posts all you want Mr. Baby Moderator Man, but the people know the truth!!!!
always will..
(which two have the most in common?)
ist es möglich für ein quesadilla skrotum zu lecken? beim sprechen der quesadillas von LBF, ja. ja in der tatheheheheheheehehee! |
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speedy_m
= Frankofile =
Canada
3581 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2004 : 10:01:25
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2004 : 10:01:27
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Definitely the coat/cd. The cover art, not so much. If you wanted to call it yellow based on the cover then you'd have to call it the yellow and white album since it's about 50% of each. [Exeunt]
"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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Frank Black vs. Frank Black and the Catholics
