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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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 Posted - 03/22/2005 : 10:15:59
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I'm not sure how I feel about the fact that they had to make sure to point out that the community is made up of poor Indians.
Yeah I don't like that.
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mosleyk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
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Posted - 03/22/2005 : 10:38:27
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| I heard about the shooting this morning. I also saw a brief interview with a witness who saw one of his friends shot. I can't imagine how horrible that could be to witness. What really scares me is that there was even a guard and metal detector at the school entrance, and it had no impact. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/22/2005 : 11:31:46
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Very sad.
Do these shootings really happen more in the US or are they just reported on more? I am assuming they do 'cos surely these types of events would be widely publicised wherever they occur. With that in mind then, why do you think they happen more in the US? I am not sure how much their gun laws contribute 'cos there are other countries where guns are just as readily available but these events don't seem to occur.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2005 : 11:42:44
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Yeah I wasn't sayig they don't happen anywhere else at all, just not nearly as often it would seem.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -
Ireland
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Posted - 03/22/2005 : 11:47:07
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| It's pretty awful. Maybe this thing occur more frequently in the US because it's a fairly big, polpulous country. And, of course,the gun control issue raise it's head again..... |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2005 : 12:00:03
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Does it not still occur more often per capita?
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 03/22/2005 : 12:30:55
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I had to do some work-related research on this not long ago, so
off the top of my head here are some stats:
Every year, about 11,000 American are killed by gun-related violence (this figure does not include the 16,000 or so gun-related suicides).
Per capita, Americans have three times more guns than Canadians. One in 30 Canadians has a gun; one in nine Americans. Canada has about 1 million handguns, the U.S. slightly more than 76 million. Here, I'm talking ordinary citizens, not law enforcement. Stats show that high gun ownership = more violence. To wit: Japanese are 200 times less likely to be killed in a firearms homicide than are Americans; Brits, 90 times less likely; Germany 30; Australia 15; France 10.
Put another way, between 1979 and 1998, AIDS killed 450,000 Americans, while gun-related violence claimed the lives of almost 700,000 Americans.
My first thought when I read about the latest school shooting was
that recently it was revealed that since 9/11 no fewer than 44 suspected
terrorists in the US have been allowed to legally buy guns. There is a
strong movement in the States to protect the right to bear arms.
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/22/2005 : 12:37:18
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Originally posted by Carolynanna
I'm not sure how I feel about the fact that they had to make sure to point out that the community is made up of poor Indians.
Yeah I don't like that.
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This is the war and not the warning.
Yeah, that was pretty lame.
1. I am a fsh with no i's.
2. You must be wearing Zubaz, 'cause you're daring to be different.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5456 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2005 : 12:42:10
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1342 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2005 : 12:46:46
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Reading the story, obviously the gunman had a really tough life to that point in time, which no doubt had an effect on his mental state somehow, you would think.
In the U.S., it seems like there are so many types of things that can put an already mentally disturbed person over the edge. Things like job stress, or any kind of stress for that matter, financial stress, relationship problems. Obviously these things are worldwide, but do you think that it's more prevalent in the U.S. for some reason? Making money and getting good jobs seems to be an overwhelming theme in the U.S....so does that make it more likely these things happen "more" here?
Obviously not so much job stress or whatever affect a school aged person, but are family life/social problems more out of control here?
1. I am a fsh with no i's.
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BLT
> Teenager of the Year <
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 03/22/2005 : 13:04:16
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quote:
Originally posted by kathryn
There is a strong movement in the States to protect the right to bear arms.
It's called the Second Amendment. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 03/22/2005 : 13:10:42
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Obviously, yes. I meant that many Americans strongly
feel that it should not be altered or re-interpreted.
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mosleyk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
607 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2005 : 13:13:00
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| I just read on CNN that the boy took his grandfather's police-issued pistol and police car and drove to the school. He was also wearing a bullet-proof vest. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 03/22/2005 : 13:23:33
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Originally posted by The Calistanian
Obviously not so much job stress or whatever affect a school aged person, but are family life/social problems more out of control here?
I think we're more "me" focused in North America than in many parts of the world. Most people in the world are just worried about meeting their barest essential needs. And I say this stating that I obviously don't know what causes school shootings, just an observation. There are so so many possible factors.
I'm not sure how this fits in, but we seem to have a whole slew of categories between childhood and adulthood that were never there before.
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1158 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2005 : 14:28:53
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What too me aback the most was that the event was not mentioned by a single teacher today at school. You'd think that in order to prevent further gun violence, or even just to keep students informed, the schools should make an effort to report on events such as theses.
Are you honest when no one's looking? Can you summon honey from a telephone? They sat there with their hooks in the water and their mustaches caked with airplane glue. |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 03/22/2005 : 14:47:55
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2005 : 15:17:17
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Originally posted by Sir Rockabye
What too me aback the most was that the event was not mentioned by a single teacher today at school. You'd think that in order to prevent further gun violence, or even just to keep students informed, the schools should make an effort to report on events such as theses.
Are you honest when no one's looking? Can you summon honey from a telephone? They sat there with their hooks in the water and their mustaches caked with airplane glue.
Well it did occur on a poor indian reservation...
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 03/22/2005 : 15:28:42
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Alright, let's not read too much into one newspaper's editorializing.
I didn't hear about it until I was at work and probably many teachers wouldn't have either (and presumably they're not sitting in front of a computer as I am).
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mosleyk
= Cult of Ray =
USA
607 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2005 : 15:33:14
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Another bit of information. The boy's father had committed suicide a few years ago, and his mother was in a care facility due to brain damage from a car accident.
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/22/2005 : 15:41:41
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Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank
Alright, let's not read too much into one newspaper's editorializing.
I didn't hear about it until I was at work and probably many teachers wouldn't have either (and presumably they're not sitting in front of a computer as I am).
"Join the Cult of Frank / Seriously."
Normally, I would agree with you, except that during the morning announcements, a short news program is always shown on the TV circuit throughout the school, and there was a feature on the shooting. Besides that, all of the teachers have at least two or three break periods, in which I'm sure they are capable of conversing with one another, or using a computer. I guess I'll have more of a right to be angry if the topic remains untouched after another full day of school tomorrow.
Are you honest when no one's looking? Can you summon honey from a telephone? They sat there with their hooks in the water and their mustaches caked with airplane glue. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 03/22/2005 : 15:44:53
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The scariest thing in this thread, for me, is Sir Rock's
info about his school.
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mun chien andalusia
= Quote Accumulator =
Italy
2139 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2005 : 18:55:25
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american schools are so odd. i mean schools with tv circuits? i don't think that there is anything similar in europe, in italy and in greece at least. tv is considered to be the archnemesis of education to be avoided at all costs and not a thing to put in a school (documentaries and science films apart).
IMO gun laws had to do a lot with this because first you can't have shootings without guns and second in all the other countries mentioned you can't buy automatic army rifles which makes a big difference. out of memory i'd say that most of the shootings that i've heard or read of were either related to common criminality (mafia killings, robberies etc) or single shootings in family quarels. nothing similar to the school shootings thing.
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/22/2005 : 19:17:49
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Just a side point...
Apparently (I heard this from another news source) the boy's grandfather was a police officer, and he took his gun and killed him...so the fact that he had his hands on a gun may have been more related to that than the fact of being able to own guns.
1. I am a fsh with no i's.
2. You must be wearing Zubaz, 'cause you're daring to be different.
3. I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb. |
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/22/2005 : 19:32:49
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Originally posted by mun chien andalusia
american schools are so odd. i mean schools with tv circuits? i don't think that there is anything similar in europe, in italy and in greece at least. tv is considered to be the archnemesis of education to be avoided at all costs and not a thing to put in a school (documentaries and science films apart).
join the cult of errol\and you can have a beer\without having to quit smoking
Sorry if I wasn't making myself clear. The televisions we use in the classrooms are used solely for the morning news (and not just the regular news, a new program created just for use in the classroom) and for the daily morning announcements. I agree that TV should be kept out of the classrooms, if it is to be misused. Sorry if I was not clear.
Are you honest when no one's looking? Can you summon honey from a telephone? They sat there with their hooks in the water and their mustaches caked with airplane glue. |
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starmekitten
-= Forum Pistolera =-
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/23/2005 : 10:23:05
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I still think thats odd though, classroom news?
sorry, do you mind me asking, what sort of news programs do they show? if it's different from regular news how so, does it feature things such as the incident in questions and other gun crime issues, does it feature world issues, american issues, political issues, scientific things? i'm curious
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 03/23/2005 : 11:01:14
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Can The Sir also enlighten us as to whether there are
any commercials or advertisements? Either during
before or after the school TV news or in the cafeterias, etc.
Thanks.
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/23/2005 : 12:43:08
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Well, we had this type of thing way back when I was in school even (early 90's). It would come on once a day, like 10 a.m., and it would be 15 minutes of news (political, scientific, headlines, whatever). The anchors were young, probably early 20's. It was called "Channel 1", and strange enough, it was on channel 1. The TV's weren't hooked up to cable or anything, so this was the only time of day anything would be on. There was a TV in every classroom. It was kind of like an MTV News meets The Evening News (I remember first hearing about Kurt Cobain's death on this).
1. I am a fsh with no i's.
2. You must be wearing Zubaz, 'cause you're daring to be different.
3. I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb. |
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 03/23/2005 : 13:37:36
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Calistanian's got it exactly right, we still use Channel 1 news. Adverts are shown, mostly for the army and then the occasional cororate sponsor.
Are you honest when no one's looking? Can you summon honey from a telephone? They sat there with their hooks in the water and their mustaches caked with airplane glue. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
17125 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 14:14:16
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I was talking more about these school shootings that seem to occur every so often in America. You never seem to hear about them anywhere else (not nearly as often anyway). I am sure it's not too difficult for kids to get hold of guns in Brazil (form what I hear) but you don't seem to hear about this happening there. That's why I put into question gun laws for this particular scenario. There must be other reasons, apart from ease of acces to guns, as to why the US has so many of these school shootings.
I don't think it's a anything to do with not liking Mondays either, though it's spooky to think of that song, seeing as this shooting also occured on a Monday. Pure coincidence of course.
Hansel and Gretel have formed a band, .....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Breadcrumbs!!!
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 03/23/2005 : 17:00:20
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Army ads and corporate sponsors in public schools? Jeez.
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1158 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 18:03:37
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Yeah, my sentiments as well, and actually the sentiments of most of my peers. It's a good feeling knowning that they aren't getting to all of us.
Are you honest when no one's looking? Can you summon honey from a telephone? They sat there with their hooks in the water and their mustaches caked with airplane glue. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
15320 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 18:08:42
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Stay strong!
Seriously, this is so weird and upsetting. And nothing like what
it was like when I walked two miles to school in the snow
without shoes. I mean, when I was in high school in the 70s.
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Sir Rockabye
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1158 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 18:12:46
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Hey! Today I did walk home three miles in the rain/snow. No umbrella or anything. I was frozen/dripping after about half a block. Last time I ever stay after school to go to a meeting of the vinyl collector's club. At least I got to shock and amaze fellow classmates with Ed is Dead and Levitate Me.
Are you honest when no one's looking? Can you summon honey from a telephone? They sat there with their hooks in the water and their mustaches caked with airplane glue. |
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kathryn
~ Selkie Bride ~
Belgium
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Posted - 03/23/2005 : 18:17:00
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No shit, you belong to a vinyl collector's club at your school?
The Sir, you are so fucking cool, man!
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Another school shooting...
