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Stuart
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China
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 Posted - 12/30/2004 : 02:09:18
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Originally posted by darwin
Here in the US they are also making a big deal about a very young Swedish boy who was found alive by some Americans. He couldn't be any more white.
They have made a deal about him here in China also... Man this is such a horrible tragedy, I feel numb thinking about this and it has dominated my thoughts over the past few days. I wish I could do something more about it other than donate.... is there anything else we can do?
What gets me though is the British press. Headlines such as 'British toll set to rise further' and alot of references made to the amount of Brits who have died. Who gives a fuck how many Brits have died, its a disgrace that they have to keep pointing out British references.... some many people have been killed and it seems that the ones they really give a shite about are Brits. It makes me sick reading it.... so fucking selfish.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2004 : 02:17:49
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Does anyone reckon that delivering clothes / food etc etc to embassies of the affected countries would do any good?
This is a high class bureau de change, not some Punch & Judy show on the seafront at Margate! |
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offerw
* Dog in the Sand *
South Africa
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Posted - 12/30/2004 : 02:36:29
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I'm sure any kind of donation would help.
I wish all the money which is still being spent on destroying Iraq can rather be used to help out the countries stricken by this disaster.
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vilainde
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Posted - 12/30/2004 : 02:59:46
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I'm not sure if embassies accept clothes or food. I know humanitarian associations only accept money, cause sending clothes is too complicated and expensive. They rather buy the things needed in the affected country, to save on transportation costs and also to help the local economy.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2004 : 03:34:14
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I have emailed the Indian and Thai embassies here in Beijing and asked them to get back to me asap.... if they do accept other stuff then my mates and I will head over there tomorrow and give a load of stuff.
Yeah, look where all that money used to illegally kill people in Iraq could go.... ridiculous.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~
Spain
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Posted - 12/30/2004 : 04:06:11
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"Illegally kill people?"
That sentence is one word too long.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2004 : 04:09:23
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you reckon?
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Newo
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Spain
2674 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2004 : 04:12:49
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Killing is killing, a court sanctifying it makes it no less repugnant to me.
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2004 : 05:58:05
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you're right.
This is a high class bureau de change, not some Punch & Judy show on the seafront at Margate! |
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= Frankofile =
Canada
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
6556 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2004 : 08:50:17
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I really don't know what to say about this, its too overwhelming.
I'm disappointed in our government for the amount of $ they sent for aid.
I heard one reporter say something like if you're born into the western world you've won the most important lottery there is. Kind of puts life into perspective doesn't it. These disasters always seem to happen to the poorest of countries.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2004 : 09:14:34
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| I think it's too early to judge nations on the basis of amount of aid pledged. This is going to play out for months and longer, and the western nations will contribute most of it, by far. My guess is that at this point it wouldn't matter if a thousand times more money and aid were offered. How fast can aid be deployed? How long does it take to get ships to the sites, unload them, distribute goods where infrastructure is wiped out? |
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Posted - 12/30/2004 : 09:22:23
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numbers numbers numbers
British Government gives £50m
UK charities raise £20m
Death count reaches 114,000 and climbing
and according to the BBC it's not yet over, anyone else heard more on this?
Indian waves alert sparks panic
Tamil Nadu bore the brunt of Sunday's tsunami in India
There have been scenes of panic in coastal areas of southern India and the Andaman islands after the government warned of new wave dangers.
They said aftershocks near the Andaman and Nicobar islands could cause more devastating high waves.
Thousands of people fled inland from the coast of Tamil Nadu, where more than 6,000 deaths have been confirmed.
'Precaution needed'
There have been a series of aftershocks around the Andamans since Sunday's massive undersea earthquake. None have triggered large waves.
Indian Home Minister Shivraj Patil sought to alleviate fears when he spoke to journalists in Delhi later on Thursday.
"Let us not create panic, panic is different from precaution," he said. "We should take precaution."
Mr Patil said the government had received "some information" that an earthquake may occur.
"If the earthquake measured above seven on the Richter scale, a tsunami may occur, may occur," he said.
In its initial warning, Mr Patil's home ministry asked state governments to be on alert and maintain a vigil on the sea.
The government in Tamil Nadu advised people to retreat 2km (1.2 miles) inland.
The BBC's Charles Haviland says there was total panic in the port of Nagappattinam, one of the areas worst hit by Sunday's waves.
"Vehicles travelling into Nagappattinam from the south were met by a surge of traffic coming the other way," he says.
"Cars, buses, trucks, pedestrians and cyclists were all fleeing inland."
Our correspondent says it seems the federal government is being ultra-cautious after being accused of being caught unaware by Sunday's disaster.
The result is that many people have fled their homes right along the coast of Tamil Nadu, including in its major city, Madras (Chennai).
'Scientific information'
In the Andaman and Nicobar islands in the Indian Ocean, much closer to the epicentre of the quake, the warning was much more stark.
The region's senior official, Lieutenant Governor Professor Ram Kapashe, told journalists he had scientific information that a tsunami could strike the island sometime in the afternoon.
He was speaking in the main town in the Andamans, Port Blair.
His warning led hundreds of people to rush out of their homes and offices in panic.
The BBC's Geeta Pandey in Port Blair says at least 10,000 people are believed to be dead or missing in the Andaman and Nicobar islands.
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 12/30/2004 : 09:23:17
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Well I hope you're right and that they'd send more over the next while. But 4 million for now just sounds like nothing.
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Posted - 12/30/2004 : 09:25:46
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It's more than four isn't it? BBC again:
KEY AID PLEDGES
EU $44m
US: $35m
Canada: $33m
Japan: $30m
UK: $28.9m
Australia: $27m
France: $20.4m
Denmark: $15.6m
Saudi Arabia: $10m
Norway: $6.6m
Taiwan: $5.1m
Finland: $3.4m
Kuwait: $2.1m
Netherlands: $2.6m
UAE: $2m
Ireland $1.3m
Singapore: $1.2m
Source: Reuters, United Nations
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Posted - 12/30/2004 : 13:05:20
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Thanks for the facts Tre. i've been watching the tv all day from my death bed and been keeping track of this.
I'm damn proud of the British public, and get this, our Government too for how quick we react in times like this. And we not the biggest country in the world either, but when it matters.
I've wanted to know how much aid other countries have pledged, just outta curiosity.
and don't forget, even our Premiership football clubs have donated £1million. Good on 'em. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2004 : 13:11:55
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Wow, I'm surprised (and happy) that our country with its relatively small population has put up so much.
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frank black conspiracy
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1126 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2004 : 13:15:27
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Like Erebus said, it's too early to judge, and maybe we shouldn't. I guess it's not about that. Any help is appreciated.
But to think little old england has pledged a fifth of the overall total so far, today I'm proud to be one of them. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 12/30/2004 : 13:43:35
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OfferW, I can't agree with you more. I can't remeber but I think the us is spending approx $225 million a day on the war. And that's all they could cough up? It's an embarassment.
Two days ago I wrote Bush and Cheney an email saying this would be a good opportunity for some anti terrorism good will. From what I heard on CNN it looks like a lot of people are saying the same thing.
If you want to write Bush or Cheney an email for more support their emails are president@whitehouse.gov and vice.president@whitehouse.gov.
Stewart, good to see you back! Let us know what they say about the donations. If for some reason you cant I heard that on Ebay you can action items and have the money sent to a relief fund. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 12/30/2004 : 13:54:29
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| You know, this whining about the contribution rates really steams me. There is going to be a ton of money spent on this. I think the US has to wait for congressional approval of certain kinds of expenditures, and they will be made. But then of course you anybody-but-Bush types will assume that they only gave more money because of the pressure brought by you holier-than-thou's. The US contributes to EVERY cause, including bankrolling the defense of the free world. I don't like writing a message like this but you whiners need to get some standards for your own comportment. This is a major disaster but so many can't wait to reduce it to morally microscopic political gain. Seriously, it calls into question your capacity for rational thought. |
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Posted - 12/30/2004 : 14:35:39
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I'm not sure the majority of people are measuring up how much money was given in any sort of competitive way, surely it's concern that money is going out in large enough sums so aid can be given to help people NOW.
Aid is starting to get through which may be small but I guess it's something.
And as for the political comparisons maybe they are a touch unfair but as is your presumption in the way people are thinking. Whilst I'm sure there are those who view it in the terms you're finding disagreeable (and I might agree with you here actually, it's not the time to be getting points) I don't think people doubt that more aid will be given to a country in need just because they dislike the regime giving the aid do they? Or am I being naive here?
numbers numbers numbers, the mind boggles.
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frank black conspiracy
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Posted - 12/30/2004 : 14:51:05
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yep, you right Tre. Numbers, numbers, numbers. And who's gonna pocket the loose change?
I wonder what an approx. figure would be for the aid needed in helping all of these countries. I know it's too hard to calculate but I do wonder. Just like i'd love a tax breakdown of where every single one of my pennies go to. Impossible to guess I know. |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 12/30/2004 : 16:59:40
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World Bank $250m
UK $96m
EU $44m
US: $35m
Canada: $33m
Japan: $30m
Australia: $27m
France: $20.4m
Denmark: $15.6m
Saudi Arabia: $10m
i can't believe the UK is giving more than any country. it is particularly embarrasing for the US, with 5 times the population but only a third of the donation. now yes, US contribtues to every cause blah blah. but it's pretty much a fact that US is pretty stingy for such a powerful and rich country with a large population. with a 400 BILLION DOLLAR defense budget, you'd think they'd give more than 35 million. i hope erebus is right about the congressional approval or whatever. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 12/30/2004 : 17:55:45
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Yeah wow that's really cool.
You were right erebus, much too early.
The initial amount they promised was 4 million.
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Superabounder
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 12/30/2004 : 20:35:01
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| I did hear a report on Wednesday that the amount of humanitarian aid the U.S. has given out in the last 4 years is twice as much as has been given by the rest of the world's countries combined during that time. Still, I totally agree that the war money has a million and one better purposes than where it goes now. I bet Bush wishes he could have a "do over" on that bright decision. Come to think of it, I bet he doesn't. |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
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Posted - 12/31/2004 : 00:15:39
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Yeah, let's not poo on the US, at least not for foreign aid, they do put a lot of money to a lot of things that are strictly humanitarian, and I don't think it has anything to do with who's in power.
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Posted - 12/31/2004 : 04:30:35
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The u.s have shipped over a floating hospital, and planes as means to deliver goods plus stuff i forget at this moment.
They're doing their bit as much as the rest.
Russia's a huge country too, i don't see their name on the list. Bet there are loads of countries who haven't donated much, as they know the usual suspects always do. But i don't know all the facts, it's just speculation. |
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ivandivel
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Posted - 12/31/2004 : 05:05:10
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Originally posted by Superabounder
I did hear a report on Wednesday that the amount of humanitarian aid the U.S. has given out in the last 4 years is twice as much as has been given by the rest of the world's countries combined during that time. Still, I totally agree that the war money has a million and one better purposes than where it goes now. I bet Bush wishes he could have a "do over" on that bright decision. Come to think of it, I bet he doesn't.
I want to see those numbers. I would not be surprised if those include aid to free the world of uncool people.
Regarding humanitarian aid in general; none of the "free-world" countries are even close to giving the amount suggested by the UN, which was the point Bush's advisors didn't get when Bush citized UN officials for being uninformed. The general rule is that the larger the nation is, the less it contributes in terms of %. |
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
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Posted - 12/31/2004 : 08:49:06
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"USA's aid, in terms of percentage of their GNP is already lowest of any industrialized nation in the world, though paradoxically in the last three years, their dollar amount has been the highest."
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 12/31/2004 : 08:50:29
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Corporate donations to aid tsunami victims:
• Pfizer Inc.: $10 million in cash and $25 million worth of drugs
• Coca-Cola Co.: $10 million
• Exxon Mobil Corp.: $5 million
• Citigroup Inc.: $3 million
• Bill & Melinda Gates Fo undation: $3 million
• Merck & Co. I nc.: $3 million, plus drugs and supplies
• Johnson & Johnson: $2 million, plus drugs and supplies
• Abbott Laboratories Inc.: $2 million, plus drugs and supplies
• Bristol-Myers Squibb Co.: $1 million in cash and $4 million in antibiotics and antifungal drugs
• Nike Inc.: $1 million
• American Express Co.: $1 million
• General Electric Co.: $1 million
• First Data Corp.: $1 million
• Pepsi Co: $1 million plus bottled water supplies
• Starbucks: $100,000 plus $2 for every pound of certain coffee sold in January
Source: Associated Press
Is it just me or is it extremely cheesey for Starbucks to donate money based on the sale of coffee beans???
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Godfather of nothing, ancesters of none.
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Posted - 12/31/2004 : 09:03:46
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it's good marketing is what that is
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Coldheartofstone
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 12/31/2004 : 09:12:16
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Drink coffee so they can have water. What in the bloody hell.
I was gonna post here earlier but I just don't know what to say. Such suffering. The words escape me. The end is near.
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Carolynanna
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Canada
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Posted - 12/31/2004 : 09:15:51
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I think its gross and it totally turns me off Starbucks.
(Which doesn't really matter, I never bought anything from there anyway)
Let me ask this though.
If countries and companies are donating funds based on competition what's the big deal? Isn't the end result of them donating more dollars because of competition the important thing?
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Godfather of nothing, ancesters of none.
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Posted - 12/31/2004 : 09:46:58
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Is anyone else making a point of it though so far? In starbucks case it's turning a disaster into a sick marketing ploy and by making a point of "buy product ---> X gets aid" will increase their revenue so the amount that actually comes out of their pocket is small. It's good the money is going out there but this doesn't sit nicely at all. It's a cheap shot. I'll bet this brand of coffee you have to buy to get your $2 out there is their most expensive too.
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