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Daisy Girl
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Belize
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 Posted - 12/27/2004 : 20:40:16
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From CNN.com
Families are making their way to makeshift morgues across Asia and in parts of Africa seeking lost loved ones after tsunamis swept across the Indian Ocean from Thailand to Somalia, killing more than 22,000 people in 10 countries. The giant waves also left thousands injured and missing as well as hundreds of thousands homeless
To all of the forum members. Hope that you and your loved ones are safe after such a terrible disaster. My thoughts are with the people affected by this tragedy.
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frank black conspiracy
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 04:54:38
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Hey Daisy Grrl, I've been watching news foootage of this over the last few days.
Sea in the streets. What a disaster.
I heard somewhere the plates which started the quake rose 10 feet. A 9ish on the Richter scale too. This is bad.
They say they had insufficient equipment to track the tsunami. The quake happened 90 minutes before it reached coastlines. Not much warning was given to the people. It's amazing to see the home videos of tourists by the sea, watching the waves come in. Then *splash!*. And still, the tourists are smiling: "wow! this is so much fun! ooo...lucky us. Big waves. Ah, so pretty."
No. Run! Tsunami.
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 05:06:23
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Just shows again what the biggest threat to human life really is - nature.
As Daisy says, my thoughts go out to the affected.
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 05:15:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Daisy Girl
From CNN.com
killing more than 22,000 people in 10 countries.
39,000 approx. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 05:18:45
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Bloody hell, this just gets worse. I assume this figure is still rising then?
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frank black conspiracy
~ Abstract Brain ~
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 05:19:26
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Sorry HPM, posted too quick for meself. Figure still rising. So far around 15 Brits.
quote:
Originally posted by Homers_pet_monkey
Just shows again what the biggest threat to human life really is - nature.
What would happen if all the tectonic plates shifted in such a way?
You're so right HPM, we're not gonna be wiped out in the end by terrorism. It's gonna be mother nature taking the planet back from it's wrongful owners. |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 05:21:40
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That's what I believe.
There is too much hysteria surrounding terrorism (hardly surprising), people don't seem to fear nature half as much.
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frank black conspiracy
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 05:28:00
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Oh but we should. What wiped out the dinosaurs?
The elements will eventually get us, I too believe we'll become extinct through a natural disaster.
Earth, Wind, Water and Fire. Take ya pick. There is a likely scenario with each that could wipe out humanity.
And I'm gonna be on top of the nearest hill when it happens with a big chonga in my mouth. Bring it on Mother! |
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 05:45:52
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My housemates sister is in Thailand and fortunately made it to the hills before the flood started.
Scary shit.
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 11:23:56
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In fact, I've just been told my housemates sister and her partner were on the beach and someone saw the wave out to sea and yelled for everyone to run and run they did as fast as their little legs would carry them to the top of the nearest hill before the beach was devestated by this huge wave. Very dramatic and very lucky
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benji
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New Zealand
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 13:17:00
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very bad indeed.
the indian ocean had no early warnming systems in place because the journey time of tsunami's is simply to short in those areas for any warning to be of any great use.
apparently.
the pacific ocean has a whole series of early warning stations for these such events, which will work quite well becauuse it is such a larger expanse of ocean.
the tsumani hit the shores of new zealand 17 hours after they propogated. 10 to 30 cm waves were recorded....they're resiliant bastards!
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hawken
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 13:41:00
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over 50,000 now i hear, unless they've overestimated someplace, i can only imagine it getting higher and they reach the more remote places/islands and discover more bodies.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 14:24:13
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I don't know how to react to these stories, 50,000 dead but Jet Li and a supermodel survived. They had tragic experiences, but it seems petty to have an article devoted to the fates of a few when so many died. On the other hand we can't really contemplate the deaths of so many, and may need individual stories to picture what it was like.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=796&e=1&u=/eo/20041228/en_celeb_eo/15599 |
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 14:33:39
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BBC just said 60,000
The news coverage here is driving me crazy, it's focusing solely on the holiday makers, I guess it's an empathy issue and I suppose it might be easier to empathise with Brits on holiday than people who live in Asia but it doesn't sit right. You've got 25% of a towns population wiped out and the news are interviewing Mr and Mrs British in their cosy middle england home remembering the terrible flood in the hotel restraunt.
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 15:23:24
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| From an evolutionarily longview, the oddity is that we feel any empathy at all, given that in any century prior to the last few, those of us in the West would almost certainly never have even heard of these events. My guess is that empathy evolved in starkly local contexts, as a disposition to care about events we could easily address, as a sense of responsibility for events to which we possess the ability to respond. |
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 15:42:13
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Originally posted by Tre
BBC just said 60,000
The news coverage here is driving me crazy, it's focusing solely on the holiday makers, I guess it's an empathy issue and I suppose it might be easier to empathise with Brits on holiday than people who live in Asia but it doesn't sit right. You've got 25% of a towns population wiped out and the news are interviewing Mr and Mrs British in their cosy middle england home remembering the terrible flood in the hotel restraunt.
Frank Black ate my hamster
i agree 100% - quite a few of us have been discussing just that today round the pub. the headline the other day was something like "6 british now confirmed dead" - which they started with and discussed before going into the 10's of thousands of people who had died story...
it's either very patronising or they really are appealing to the masses.
it's "Small Earthquake in Chile. Not many dead" kind of thing.
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 16:01:49
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the magic of television bringing death and destruction from accross the globe into your own homes and almost making you give a shit by putting it into a context you can nearly understand
crazy world
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apl4eris
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 17:33:59
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It's so horrible and overwhelming. I wanted to do something so I've been trying to find the best way I could help. The organization Doctors Without Borders (USA), Médecins Sans Frontières International (down at the moment) is doing extremely important work in this situation -the worst may soon come from disease if they can't respond quickly. They're taking donations of any amount. I went ahead and donated there, because I believe in that organization anyway, but if anyone has any recommendations, please let me know.
Apparently the waves stirred up old landmines that had been long buried. Now they're scattered randomly in residential areas.
The estimated numbers of dead still don't include the aboriginal tribes. They still haven't been able to determine their condition on the surrounding islands.
"No news of Jarwas, Ongis from Andaman"
http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=78184
"The world’s last aboriginal tribes were the Jarwas, Ongis, Shompen, Sentenelese, Nicobarese and Great Andamanese and even after two days there was no information from the innumerable islets inhabited by them in the Andamans....
“It is quite likely that the Nicobarese population sensed trouble and left for safer places,” he said. A population of 30,000 Nicobarese reside in Car Nicobar. According to the latest Census of these tribes, there were at present 266-270 Jarwas, 98-100 Ongis, 150-200 Shompen, 200-250 Sentenelese and only 40-45 Great Andamanese." |
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Homers_pet_monkey
= Official forum monkey =
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 18:37:17
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Thanks for the link Apl, it would be nice if everyone could give what they can.
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 20:12:09
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| Thanks Apl for the reccomendation. We are going to take you up on it. I have thought about the Red Cross, but due to past accounting difficulties of that organization, we were going to wait to make some in kind donations. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 12/28/2004 : 21:25:44
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Here is a poem that I wrote for the people I went to school with and everyone else. I have lost touch with people from school but I know a few were living in places affected by this. It's not the best, and a work in progress but hopefully captures the sentiment that every life is just as important.
The Real Tragedy
over the horizon
you can’t see
what’s over the horizon
a wall of water
rushing in
running
the total cost of the tsunami damage
is 13.6 Billion
and the focus
of most of the west
is the rebuilding effort
the economic impact
thank god the
Coca-Cola plant
in India isn’t harmed
LeMerdian
Sofhotel
sunners
jetskiers
snorkelers
on Holliday
but don’t forget
the children
with arms to weak
too short to hold on
estimates are 50 percent of the dead
are children
land movers
pushing 60,000
bodies
into mass graves
a mother who found
her three year old son
and lost her 8 month old
ripped from her arms
her husband
and other two children
GONE.
she is
alone
no one life more important
no one life less important
60 thousand
that’s a stadium
numbers so raw
it’s unimaginable
any god would permit
yet she did
no one life more important
no one life less significant
clean water for the living
help save the living
potable water
clean food
there were children
that couldn’t hold on
there were children
there are children
please
help
we are all human
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Daisy Girl
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Belize
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Frog in the Sand
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France
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Posted - 12/29/2004 : 00:34:48
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 12/29/2004 : 01:34:09
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| Here in the US they are also making a big deal about a very young Swedish boy who was found alive by some Americans. He couldn't be any more white. |
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ivandivel
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/29/2004 : 04:03:54
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| There's an initiative here to skip new-years eve celebration and the fireworks and give your money to help-organizations, i certainly will do that. Allthouhg one may criticize the western focus in the coverage of the disaster, it may in fact help in gathering support and money for the afflicted areas. Over 2000 scandinavians are still missing which means that more people here are hit in the guts by the newscoverage, and more people give. |
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GypsyDeath
Zapped Profile
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Posted - 12/29/2004 : 06:43:41
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My worst night mare is tidal waves. Id do anything for that to not happen to me. Sounds horrid, but its true, everyones thanking god it wasnt them.
I have a friend - my boyfriends best friend in fact - who was going to be going to that area on the 22nd, coming back new years, he was gonna travel around a bit. Where he would of been that day, he would almost certainly be dead by now. He decided to not go at the last minute. Hes obviously got some one working on his side.
Ivandivel - that a really good idea. Is there not an intiative of that sort in the UK anywhere? any one know?
Now I do as I please and lie through my teeth. Someone might get hurt but it won't be me. I should probably feel cheap but I just feel free and a little bit empty. No it isn't so hard to get close to me. There will be no arguments. We will always agree. And I will try and be kind when I ask you to leave. We will both take it easy. But if you stay too long inside my memory, I will trap you in a song tied to a melody and I will keep you there so you can't bother me. |
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betty
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 12/29/2004 : 06:55:16
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Wow.
I can't wrap my mind around it.
That's a lot of people.
What happens after we die?
Do you think all those souls comforted one another after so many were separated from their bodies suddenly?
I wonder.
Love,
Betty
love,
betty
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Newo
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Posted - 12/29/2004 : 10:32:22
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Thousands Of Tsunami Fatalities Were Avoidable Cheaply
News Release
Our Molecular Future.com
12-27-4
Thousands of fatalities from an Indonesian tsunami were "largely avoidable, cheaply" had only a few million dollars been spent for a globalized tsunami warning network, says the author of a technology book about high-tech defenses against giant earthquakes and tsunamis.
Our Molecular Future (Prometheus Books 2002) by Douglas Mulhall describes how advanced technologies could prevent wholesale loss of life such as that seen in the Christmas catastrophe.
The book forecasted that it would take such a globalized catastrophe to shake governments and industries into using inexpensive, cutting edge technology to prevent so much death.
"Now we'll see if this one is big enough to force globalized solutions," Mulhall said. "We have globalized tourism, oil, and other industries - it's time for a globalized tsunami detection network. It's a lot cheaper than the loss of life we've seen here" .
"The world science community has been calling for a globalized tsunami detection network for years and no one heard them, especially the tourism industry whose millions of customers are at risk, and western governments whose nationals are at risk when they visit seaside communities, or aid agencies who have to clean up the mess" Mulhall said.
"What's maddening about this disaster" he said, "is that we don't have to wait for new technologies - everything is available right now."
"The idea that tsunami preparedness is expensive is a ludicrous myth," he emphasized. "Look at how many millions of dollars the aid agencies have already come up with in a day. Just a fraction of that would have prevented such vast death."
Mulhall added that developing nation governments around the Indian Ocean are far from the only ones to blame for the refusal to fund such inexpensive systems. Western nations as much as developing countries "must be held accountable" for the massive yet avoidable loss of life because they have billions of dollars invested and millions of citizens visiting in the region.
Mulhall also chastized aid agencies for "failing to step up to the plate with an ounce of prevention to prevent a pound of cure."
"This was waiting to happen" said Mulhall. "The risks have been there all along. They knew about them and had been told about them. A few million dollars would have done it."
Mulhall pointed out that some of the infrastructures are already in place because most ports are required to have tide measuring devices in place. This is a primitive but effective early warning for other ports in the path of tsunami, if the devices are tied together electronically, which is relatively inexpensive. "But that's just a small part of what could be an effective yet inexpensive network," he hastened to add.
Mulhall harshly criticized "lame excuses already being hatched" by western governments and other agencies. "It is nonsense to say that this was a surprise. Every big tsunami is a 'surprise', but that doesn't mean we can't plan to survive them. Especially in Indonesia they are regular phenomena."
Mulhall pointed out that thousands have died in Indonesia over the past generation due to tsunami.
For more information email
webmaster@ourmolecularfuture.com
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Broken Face
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Posted - 12/29/2004 : 10:44:58
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Originally posted by Tre
http://www.nme.com/news/110939.htm
interesting....
Frank Black ate my hamster
i hate linkin park's music, but good for them - i'm all for charity - after i get paid tomorrow i might even contribute some
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Newo
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Posted - 12/29/2004 : 12:44:30
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That's mighty decent - if only their music was in the same place as their hearts.
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frank black conspiracy
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Posted - 12/29/2004 : 12:54:22
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quote:
Originally posted by Newo
Thousands of fatalities from an Indonesian tsunami were "largely avoidable, cheaply" had only a few million dollars been spent for a globalized tsunami warning network, says the author of a technology book about high-tech defenses against giant earthquakes and tsunamis.
And only now, after this disaster has happened does our country donate £15 million to the aid, plus the countless advertisements asking for us to donate personally too. We, as the world, are going to raise much needed cash to help the victims.
But isn't prevention always better than a cure? we so dumb somtimes.
Wait 'til carbon dioxide levels rise even more, then we're screwed.
But I think it's best to let a catastrophe happen then solve, rather than to deal with the problem before hand.
Yep. we dumb again. |
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Posted - 12/29/2004 : 13:16:23
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You should see my plans for when the electricity runs out, oh how I will laugh
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 12/29/2004 : 13:22:31
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I have to hear (see? got a ppt file?) this.
Elucidate please. |
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Daisy Girl
~ Abstract Brain ~
Belize
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Posted - 12/29/2004 : 18:18:47
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Wow Tre, that is an interesting artlice about LP. Newo, yes it is so said. Isn't it amazing to fathom that it wasn't worthwhile by the UN or whoever to invest in those sensors? Thanks so much for those articles!! 
Ok here's an idea there are approx 6300 forum members. If 10% of us give $10 that's $6,300 bucks. What do you think?
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