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Erebus
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  10:43:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I suppose most of you are familiar with this but I thought we might like to see one view of Bush's popular vote majority. Much more striking than the red state/blue state map, and more telling. Small town & rural vs. big city, of course. Is this a divided nation or what?




Square miles of counties won:

Bush 3.28 million

Kerry 741,000

Population (2003) of counties won:

Bush 150.9 million

Kerry 103.6 million


Note: County election data is not reported for Alaska,

Source: the Associated Press, ESRI Inc. USATODAY analysis by Paul Overberg.

link to this and similar 2000 map:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Canada
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  11:48:19  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Wow.

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ramona
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  11:52:45  Show Profile  Visit ramona's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yeah, I saw that. Pretty amazing.

It's so close number wise -

Bush 150.9 million

Kerry 103.6 million

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Cheeseman1000
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Iceland
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  11:57:10  Show Profile  Visit Cheeseman1000's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I can see (I think) two states where there's no blue at all... Which are these? (I apologise for my mid-western geography) Is there any more?

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harringk
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  11:59:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000

I can see (I think) two states where there's no blue at all... Which are these? (I apologise for my mid-western geography) Is there any more?

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Nebraska (the one further north), and Oklahoma.

edit: With 1 blue county in Kansas between them.
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darwin
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  11:59:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Technically, that's not another view of "Bush's popular vote majority". The only view of that is:

Bush 59,254,033 51%
Kerry 55,724,625 48%

Here's a couple of facts to counteract the notion that Bush got a mandate:

Tuesday was the largest number of people who have ever voted AGAINST a president. As well as the most to vote for a president (as stated earlier by Dallas).

Assuming Bush gets New Mexico and Iowa, he will have gotten the lowest percentage of electoral votes (54%) of any incumbent running for reelection since Wilson.

Yes, it is a nation divided.
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Cheeseman1000
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Iceland
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  12:00:43  Show Profile  Visit Cheeseman1000's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks - are there any totally Democrat states?
This is interesting stuff - call me boring but statistics and maps? What a combination!

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Erebus
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USA
1834 Posts
Posted - 11/04/2004 :  12:00:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's another one which I don't find nearly as pretty. ;) [and now I've widened the screen. sorry.]

http://www.princeton.edu/%7Ervdb/JAVA/election2004/

Using County-by-County election return data from USA Today together with County boundary data from the US Census' Tiger database we produced the following graphic depicting the results. Of course, blue is for the democrats, red is for the republicans, and green is for all other. Each county's color is a mix of these three color components in proportion to the results for that county.

Counties shown in black represent either missing election data or a mismatch between the US Census data and the USA Today data. For example, the New England states' election return data is given for each municipality and/or district rather than for each county. Hence, it couldn't be easily matched with the county boundaries.



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speedy_m
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Canada
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  12:03:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This map looks much more "blue".
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Erebus
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USA
1834 Posts
Posted - 11/04/2004 :  12:06:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by speedy_m

This map looks much more "blue".
Yeah, I'm starting to hate that map. Probably should delete it.
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Cheeseman1000
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Iceland
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  12:08:08  Show Profile  Visit Cheeseman1000's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That's pretty cool. I like purdy colours.
Were there any third party victories at all?
Sometimes in the UK we'll elect someone from outside the major political parties, very often single-issue independent candidates - although these will only be in one location.

Of course, I think the US system is alot more polarised - we can safely bet on at least six or seven different parties in parliament.

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darwin
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  12:15:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000

Thanks - are there any totally Democrat states?
This is interesting stuff - call me boring but statistics and maps? What a combination!

"You ever seen a man say goodbye to a shoe?"
"Yes, once..."


Vermont and Massachusetts look like they may have been all Democratic.
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darwin
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  12:16:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Battle of the maps (another way to look at it & it makes us look less divided). Group hug.
Edited by - darwin on 11/04/2004 12:17:14
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Canada
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  12:28:09  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
What a surprise. Utah a red state? Well, I never! :)

It never ceases to amaze me how well versed our friends across the sea are in North American life/geography/etc. Or at least American. I wonder how we would fare if we started talking Canadian politics/geography here... :)

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Erebus
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  12:28:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Utah the reddest, and Massachusetts the bluest. Funny how they noted Washington, D.C. Must be where the drain is.
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ramona
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  13:38:12  Show Profile  Visit ramona's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by darwin

quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000

Thanks - are there any totally Democrat states?
This is interesting stuff - call me boring but statistics and maps? What a combination!

"You ever seen a man say goodbye to a shoe?"
"Yes, once..."


Vermont and Massachusetts look like they may have been all Democratic.


That is a small comfort to me. I was born in VT and now I live in MA. I think my blood is truly blue! (well, I KNOW it is. Oh, whatever).

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TarTar
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  13:49:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey, I was born in VT, too. Burlington, Vermont. Now I live in boring old Michigan. Well, at least both of those states were Kerry.

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mdisanto
* Dog in the Sand *

USA
1140 Posts
Posted - 11/04/2004 :  14:01:00  Show Profile  Visit mdisanto's Homepage  Reply with Quote
did you see that chart of average state IQ to presidental vote. The whole top of the list (above 100IQ) is blue, and the entire bottom (down to 85) is red. I'm not sure how scientific that is but there was a similar one for the 2000 election, so they are coming from somewhere.

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cvanepps
= Cult of Ray =

USA
442 Posts
Posted - 11/04/2004 :  14:52:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank

What a surprise. Utah a red state? Well, I never! :)

It never ceases to amaze me how well versed our friends across the sea are in North American life/geography/etc. Or at least American. I wonder how we would fare if we started talking Canadian politics/geography here... :)

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I know where Saskatoon is!!

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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos

Canada
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  15:13:54  Show Profile  Visit Dave Noisy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yeah, Miked - i know there's a map like that out there, would love to see one reflecting this election..!!!

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VoVat
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USA
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  19:59:54  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
With 1 blue county in Kansas between them.


There are DEMOCRATS in Kansas? Time for the others to get out their pitchforks and drive them back to Massachusetts! Eh, never mind, the next tornado will take care of them anyway.

Why are the Republicans red, anyway? Doesn't red mean communism, which the Republicans think is the most horribly evil thing ever, next to gay people?

As for the IQ thing, well, I do think voting for Bush is pretty dumb, but so is using IQ as a measure of intelligence. The ability to work out logic puzzles isn't exactly what you need to be an informed voter.


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Cult_Of_Frank
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Canada
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Posted - 11/04/2004 :  21:50:06  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cvanepps

quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Of_Frank

What a surprise. Utah a red state? Well, I never! :)

It never ceases to amaze me how well versed our friends across the sea are in North American life/geography/etc. Or at least American. I wonder how we would fare if we started talking Canadian politics/geography here... :)

"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)"
I know where Saskatoon is!!

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That's really all you need to know! A+.

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Sir Mike
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USA
88 Posts
Posted - 11/04/2004 :  22:01:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
See that one red county in Connecticut? That's where I'm from and I can bet you it did go for Bush, that map is pretty damn good and detailed.

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slaveish
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USA
269 Posts
Posted - 11/04/2004 :  22:17:17  Show Profile  Visit slaveish's Homepage  Reply with Quote
George Bush got 18 votes per square mile, while Kerry got 75. I'd say from analyzing the data that the Democrats are more efficient. No who would you rather have managing the federal budget?
Edited by - slaveish on 11/04/2004 22:23:19
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El Barto
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USA
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Posted - 11/05/2004 :  07:12:04  Show Profile  Visit El Barto's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mdisanto

did you see that chart of average state IQ to presidental vote. The whole top of the list (above 100IQ) is blue, and the entire bottom (down to 85) is red. I'm not sure how scientific that is but there was a similar one for the 2000 election, so they are coming from somewhere.

-miked


This doesn't surprise me at all. That's why I said...IQ should count when voting.

I guess I just wasn't made for these times.
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Broken Face
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USA
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Posted - 11/05/2004 :  07:48:21  Show Profile  Visit Broken Face's Homepage  Reply with Quote
State Avg. IQ vs. Election 2004
1 Connecticut 113 Kerry
2 Massachusetts 111 Kerry
3 New Jersey 111 Kerry
4 New York 109 Kerry
5 Rhode Island 107 Kerry
6 Hawaii 106 Kerry
7 Maryland 105 Kerry
8 New Hampshire 105 Kerry
9 Illinois 104 Kerry
10 Delaware 103 Kerry
11 Minnesota 102 Kerry
12 Vermont 102 Kerry
13 Washington 102 Kerry
14 California 101 Kerry
15 Pennsylvania 101 Kerry
16 Maine 100 Kerry
17 Virginia 100 Bush
18 Wisconsin 100 Kerry
19 Colorado 99 Bush
20 Iowa 99 "---"
21 Michigan 99 Kerry
22 Nevada 99 Bush
23 Ohio 99 Bush
24 Oregon 99 Kerry
25 Alaska 98 Bush
26 Florida 98 Bush
27 Missouri 98 Bush
28 Kansas 96 Bush
29 Nebraska 95 Bush
30 Arizona 94 Bush
31 Indiana 94 Bush
32 Tennessee 94 Bush
33 North Carolina 93 Bush
34 West Virginia 93 Bush
35 Arkansas 92 Bush
36 Georgia 92 Bush
37 Kentucky 92 Bush
38 New Mexico 92 "---"
39 North Dakota 92 Bush
40 Texas 92 Bush
41 Alabama 90 Bush
42 Louisiana 90 Bush
43 Montana 90 Bush
44 Oklahoma 90 Bush
45 South Dakota 90 Bush
46 South Carolina 89 Bush
47 Wyoming 89 Bush
48 Idaho 87 Bush
49 Utah 87 Bush
50 Mississippi 85 Bush


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Carl
- A 'Fifth' Catholic -

Ireland
11546 Posts
Posted - 11/05/2004 :  08:50:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A Sky News map during the election gave the simple, obvious view;blue on the coastlines and red for the midwest/south. But of course a high percentage of people voted for Kerry everywhere. Not high enough, obviously.
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ramona
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USA
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Posted - 11/05/2004 :  10:07:58  Show Profile  Visit ramona's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Here's a map I like.

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Coldheartofstone
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Canada
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Posted - 11/05/2004 :  10:12:52  Show Profile  Click to see Coldheartofstone's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
HAHahaha....jolly good.

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Dave Noisy
Minister of Chaos

Canada
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Posted - 11/05/2004 :  10:25:25  Show Profile  Visit Dave Noisy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Mnay thanks Brian!! Do you have a source for that, or should i just consider it 'dubious at best'..?

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soundofataris
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USA
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Posted - 11/05/2004 :  10:28:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Broken Face

State Avg. IQ vs. Election 2004
1 Connecticut 113 Kerry
2 Massachusetts 111 Kerry
3 New Jersey 111 Kerry
4 New York 109 Kerry
5 Rhode Island 107 Kerry
6 Hawaii 106 Kerry
7 Maryland 105 Kerry
8 New Hampshire 105 Kerry
9 Illinois 104 Kerry
10 Delaware 103 Kerry
11 Minnesota 102 Kerry
12 Vermont 102 Kerry
13 Washington 102 Kerry
14 California 101 Kerry
15 Pennsylvania 101 Kerry
16 Maine 100 Kerry
17 Virginia 100 Bush
18 Wisconsin 100 Kerry
19 Colorado 99 Bush
20 Iowa 99 "---"
21 Michigan 99 Kerry
22 Nevada 99 Bush
23 Ohio 99 Bush
24 Oregon 99 Kerry
25 Alaska 98 Bush
26 Florida 98 Bush
27 Missouri 98 Bush
28 Kansas 96 Bush
29 Nebraska 95 Bush
30 Arizona 94 Bush
31 Indiana 94 Bush
32 Tennessee 94 Bush
33 North Carolina 93 Bush
34 West Virginia 93 Bush
35 Arkansas 92 Bush
36 Georgia 92 Bush
37 Kentucky 92 Bush
38 New Mexico 92 "---"
39 North Dakota 92 Bush
40 Texas 92 Bush
41 Alabama 90 Bush
42 Louisiana 90 Bush
43 Montana 90 Bush
44 Oklahoma 90 Bush
45 South Dakota 90 Bush
46 South Carolina 89 Bush
47 Wyoming 89 Bush
48 Idaho 87 Bush
49 Utah 87 Bush
50 Mississippi 85 Bush


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where did you get these IQ stats? I find them quite hard to believe. How can the entire population of mississippi be boarderline retarted? Is this just a joke that I'm not getting?


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ramona
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USA
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Posted - 11/05/2004 :  10:33:55  Show Profile  Visit ramona's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It's not that ENTIRE population. It's the average. Right?

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Broken Face
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USA
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Posted - 11/05/2004 :  11:37:55  Show Profile  Visit Broken Face's Homepage  Reply with Quote
my source is on my work computer - i'll post it on monday when i go back

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El Barto
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USA
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Posted - 11/05/2004 :  12:42:11  Show Profile  Visit El Barto's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Haha...damn. Waiting to get the reference source so I can proudly display those stats on my website.

I guess I just wasn't made for these times.
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Newo
~ Abstract Brain ~

Spain
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Posted - 11/05/2004 :  12:48:41  Show Profile  Click to see Newo's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
If Connecticut are so smart how come they pronounce it Conneticut?


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Posted - 11/05/2004 :  12:51:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Obvioulsy IQ and voting Bush are related, I mean look, the people in the UK are the most intelligent in the world and none of us voted for Bush...

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