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apl4eris
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  13:47:23  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
http://science.slashdot.org/science/04/10/27/1844235.shtml?tid=134&tid=1

"ABC News is reporting that anthropologists have found the skeletal remains of seven hobbit sized hominids. The population may have been wiped out by a volcanic activity 12000 years ago or according to local legend may have lived up until the 1500's living on in caves and eating food the villagers would leave out for them. Also found were bones of giant lizards and miniature elephants. CBS also has the story." National Geographic and the BBC have good stories."

Tiny elephants?! I want one!

Crazy.

LBF1976
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  14:09:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pretty crazy shit. They sound like they were tough and mean little bastards.


And the tiny elephants were 2,200 pounds Apl, that's not so tiny. Reminds me of that South Park episode.

I'd like to have say, a 100 lb elephant. That would be cool. My cats could ride around on it's back. It would have to be cute.

And you could walk your elephant up and down the street and all the people with dogs would be jealous.

But what would you name your elephant?

Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronken.
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apl4eris
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USA
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  14:14:54  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Spot.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  14:18:33  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No wait.

Uncle Wrinkle, maybe?
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Cult_Of_Frank
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Canada
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  14:22:12  Show Profile  Visit Cult_Of_Frank's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Was I the only one to smile at the "hobbit" sized quote? What an honour it would be to have a creature you created in a work of your to be quoted as though it were universally known and understood.

I imagine it'd be like hearing a line from a song I wrote becoming part of the everyday vernacular.

Also, Uncle Wrinkle is a great elephant name.


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LBF1976
= Cult of Ray =

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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  14:24:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I like Spot. What about Rover?

Floops quesedillas zijn te vergelijken met het likken van fatsige Albert's aars nadat hij een fles laxeermiddel heeft leeggedronken.
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Cheeseman1000
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Iceland
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  14:42:35  Show Profile  Visit Cheeseman1000's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hobbit-sized creatures. Volcanoes. Ring any bells?

Plus, wait til Benji or Jo finds out you're going to name your elephant Uncle Wrinkle...


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apl4eris
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USA
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  14:42:58  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No, you weren't the only one, Dean.

People used to call my Dad "Hobbit" in college. Short, with big hairy feet. He kinda acts like one too. I'll have to ask him if he ever dreams about riding elephants. harhar
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apl4eris
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USA
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  14:44:26  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cheeseman1000

Plus, wait til Benji or Jo finds out you're going to name your elephant Uncle Wrinkle...
heheeh Jo's favorite chinese restaurant's what inspired me.
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Cheeseman1000
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Iceland
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  14:45:30  Show Profile  Visit Cheeseman1000's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I keep getting these amazing recommendations for this place, but I always forget my passport, which you need to get into South London these days.


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darwin
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  15:23:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Elephant name: Stampy, of course
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Ebb Vicious
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USA
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  15:28:53  Show Profile  Visit Ebb Vicious's Homepage  Reply with Quote
actually they just issued a press release. the whole thing is a mistake.

the white archaeologists forgot that asian people are very short.
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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  16:03:30  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Owww you're makin me bust a gut today, Ebb.
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ProverbialCereal
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USA
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  19:18:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Would have been cool if these hobbits were only 3 inches tall, but I guess this will have to do for now.


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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =

Equatorial Guinea
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  21:26:17  Show Profile  Visit SpudBoy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I would name my elephant "Boot Leather" just to keep him in line. Last thing you need is a tiny elephant with attitude.


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TheCroutonFuton
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USA
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  21:27:58  Show Profile  Visit TheCroutonFuton's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SpudBoy

Last thing you need is a tiny elephant with attitude.


Hahaha, that would be pretty neat, actually. He could guard your house. If I were a burglar I wouldn't like the sight of a little elephant charging me.

Edit - Ooh! I got an even better idea. Get a little chimp and have him ride the elephant around while carrying a spear. A miniature war-elephant! Now that would be scary!

Penguins can be bitches too.

Edited by - TheCroutonFuton on 10/27/2004 21:31:54
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apl4eris
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USA
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  21:28:56  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yeah! I like the way you think SpudBoy.

Then if he got big enough, "Exotic Coffee Table" or "Safari-Themed Ottoman".
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apl4eris
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USA
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  21:37:45  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Crouton, you slay me with your spear-carting-monkey-carting war-elephant schemes.

I think it's funny we aren't all talking about these little people. It's a pretty huge breakthrough. I guess the concept of pony-sized elephants was just too tempting for my cute-dar.
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SpudBoy
= Cult of Ray =

Equatorial Guinea
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Posted - 10/27/2004 :  22:34:49  Show Profile  Visit SpudBoy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Ok, so what would you name your pet hobbit-sized hoiminid? I think "Shithead" like in The Jerk would be way cool.


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VoVat
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Posted - 10/28/2004 :  19:22:13  Show Profile  Visit VoVat's Homepage  Click to see VoVat's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Would it be ethical to keep a hominid as a pet?



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The King Of Karaoke
> Teenager of the Year <

USA
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Posted - 10/29/2004 :  10:32:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Could-Hobbit-Like-Creatures-Still-Live-on-Earth-37709.html

Sasquatch is next people!
Check out these links on Orang Pendeks. I believe this is what has been discovered here. These are part of the whole bigfoot, yeti, myth. Many reports of people still sighting these today.
This is big news! I may have to take the day off. Wait a minute, this is my day off.
http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/biology/littleman.htm
http://www.meta-religion.com/Paranormale/Cryptozoology/hominids/orang-pendek.htm
http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/papers/otherorang.html Be sure to click on Debra Martyr's real time description of her sighting on this page.


http://images.google.com/images?q=orang+pendek&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search


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The King Of Karaoke
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USA
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Posted - 10/29/2004 :  18:43:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Floresians may have been wiped out, along with the pygmy elephants, by volcanic eruptions some 12,000 years ago, although local lore speaks of "little people" living in remote caves on the island right up to the 1500s, when Dutch traders arrived. Speculative minds raise the possibility that even today, in some remote corner of Earth, a primitive line of humans remains to be discovered.
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That's probably pushing it. But the new discovery chips away at our smug notion that human evolution is a steady march toward bigger and brainier. In a tough environment, smaller may fare better. Meanwhile, our long reign as the sole human species on Earth appears to be shorter than we thought.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/29/opinion/edminis.html
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The King Of Karaoke
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USA
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Posted - 10/29/2004 :  18:50:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pygmy mammoths on Santa barbara's Channel islands.
http://www.nps.gov/chis/pygmy.htm

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harringk
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USA
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Posted - 11/06/2004 :  11:05:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41325






Eroding evolution's believability


Posted: November 6, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


Once again, evolutionists strike when the iron is hot in an attempt to affirm the same bogus evolutionary dogma they have crammed down our throats for 150 years. Once again, they've got it wrong.

The recent discovery of a dwarf skeleton on the remote Indonesian island of Flores has scientists anxious to create another sub-class of humans. This one is called Homo floresiensis, which implies that they belong to a different species of people than those living today, we Homo sapiens.




Researchers found the skull and part of the skeleton of an adult female, plus bones and teeth from seven other individuals. These remains have many features similar to Homo erectus, another so-called human species claimed to be the ape-man of Africa and our subhuman ancestor. Now researchers suggest the Flores bones are dwarfed descendants of Homo erectus.

At least with this much I would be willing to agree. According to many experts, "there is so little evidence in Homo erectus specimens outside the range of human variation that they are likely just another type of human resulting from genetic diversification."

But the showstopper in the recent discovery of Homo flores came when the 3-foot-tall adult female skeleton was dated as only 18,000 years old. That means this hobbit-like dwarf of a human shatters the long-held scientific belief that Homo sapiens systematically crowded out other upright walking human cousins some 160,000 years ago and took over the human population tens of thousands of years ago.

But wait, there's more.

This "would-be missing link" between us and the original missing link also happens to have the brain size of a grapefruit, which is 2/3 smaller than ours. It is actually closer to the brain size of a modern day monkey and other pre-human ancestors who purportedly became extinct 2 million years ago.

According to authorities, this is what makes the dwarf skeleton the most extreme figure to be included in the extended human family. Chris Stringer, the director of human origins studies at the Natural History Museum in London, said this finding "rewrites our knowledge of human history."

In other words, this finding suggests recent evolution was (just had to be) more complex than previously thought. (Now that's an understatement.)

Think about the rather recent results from mapping the human genome. They revealed the instructions for creating human life are packed into roughly 35,000 genes, only 15,000 more genes than certain worms and about twice as many as a fruit fly. This discovery alone dramatically increased the complexity of function in DNA necessary to sustain increasingly complex life forms and account for the spontaneous creation and diversification of all species according to traditional notions of evolution.

Now add the recent finding of Flores man. He contains a jumble of features that appear borrowed from extinct primitive man. Yet he lived crossing timelines with both Homo erectus and Homo sapiens. If previous timelines are to be believed, this indicates dramatic changes in DNA and creation of a new species rather recently – not millions of years ago.

It also suggests a lengthy coexistence of two different species of man based on geologic evidence that a massive volcano caused the extinction of Homo flores as recently as 12,000 years ago. None of these possibilities are consistent with traditional evolutionary theory.

Confounding evolutionists further, the Flores man had to migrate to the Indonesian island by boat. Yet building a boat to sail on the open sea is traditionally thought to be beyond the intellectual abilities of Homo erectus. Remember, Homo flores has a brain size smaller than even Homo erectus.

Additionally, the site of the find gives evidence of controlled use of fire and sophisticated stone tools. All together, these new findings shatter another long-held belief by evolutionists: that you need a particular brain size to do anything intelligent.

As for their small body size of the recently found species, it adds no support to evolutionary theory. Nature is full of examples such as deer, elephants and pigs living in marginal, isolated environments that gradually dwarf when food and resources are limited. Dwarfism also exists in the current human population worldwide.

According to the Guinness Book of World Records, some of the more famous modern-day dwarfs include actress Tamara de Treaux, who at 2 feet 7 inches tall played ET in Steven Spielberg's blockbuster film. There is also Filipino paratrooper and black-belt martial arts exponent Weng Wang, who measures just 2 feet 9 inches tall. And the shortest married couple was the Brazilian pair Douglas da Silva and Claudia Rocha. When they married in 1998, they were 35 inches and 36 inches, respectively.

All contradictions of the traditional theory ignored, evolutionary dogma continues to be shoveled with the dirt that uncovered Homo flores. Yet there is good news. The bones of Homo flores found are apparently not fossilized. That means scientists are hopeful they might yield DNA that could shed the truth on evolutionary theory and the absurdity of human descent from apes by proving Homo flores is genetically human.

Just don't look for the retraction of their present claims on the evening news.




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Kelly Hollowell, J.D., Ph.D., is a scientist, patent attorney and adjunct law professor of bioethics. She is also a nationally recognized conference speaker and founder of Science Ministries Inc.
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soundofataris
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USA
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Posted - 11/06/2004 :  11:11:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by harringk



http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41325






Eroding evolution's believability




Hahahahahaha. National Geographic did a great cover story on evolution and its validity not too long ago. Go check it out.

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darwin
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Posted - 11/06/2004 :  11:18:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"This "would-be missing link" between us and the original missing link also happens to have the brain size of a grapefruit, which is 2/3 smaller than ours. It is actually closer to the brain size of a modern day monkey and other pre-human ancestors who purportedly became extinct 2 million years ago. "

Nobody has called it a "missing link". They didn't lead to Homo sapiens. This person is an idiot.

"Kelly Hollowell, J.D., Ph.D., is a scientist, patent attorney and adjunct law professor of bioethics. She is also a nationally recognized conference speaker and founder of Science Ministries Inc. "

In other words she has no training as a biologist. Why would you think she knows what she is talking about?
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harringk
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USA
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Posted - 11/06/2004 :  11:31:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by darwin

Nobody has called it a "missing link"


What are they calling it and how does it fit in the myth...er I mean theory of evolution?

quote:
Originally posted by darwin

"Kelly Hollowell, J.D., Ph.D., is a scientist, patent attorney and adjunct law professor of bioethics. She is also a nationally recognized conference speaker and founder of Science Ministries Inc. "

In other words she has no training as a biologist. Why would you think she knows what she is talking about?


I don't know what all of her training is, but to come to the conclusion that she has no training in biology based on that little 2 sentence blurb at the end of the article must be the result of the same type of logic that enabled you to dedicate your life's work to an unprovable myth...er theory.
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The King Of Karaoke
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USA
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Posted - 11/06/2004 :  11:31:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe it stated their HEAD was the size of a grapefruit, not the brain.

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apl4eris
~ Abstract Brain ~

USA
4800 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2004 :  11:48:01  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by harringk

quote:
Originally posted by darwin

Nobody has called it a "missing link"
What are they calling it and how does it fit in the myth...er I mean theory of evolution?
It's possible you could find out by reading more about it.
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harringk
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USA
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Posted - 11/06/2004 :  11:58:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by apl4eris

quote:
Originally posted by harringk

quote:
Originally posted by darwin

Nobody has called it a "missing link"
What are they calling it and how does it fit in the myth...er I mean theory of evolution?
It's possible you could find out by reading more about it.



You assume that because my opinion is different than yours that I haven't done any reading on it. I have. I have read books by authors on both sides of the argument and made up my own mind based on the evidence (or lack thereof).
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apl4eris
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USA
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Posted - 11/06/2004 :  12:02:27  Show Profile  Visit apl4eris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by harringk

quote:
Originally posted by apl4eris

quote:
Originally posted by harringk

quote:
Originally posted by darwin

Nobody has called it a "missing link"
What are they calling it and how does it fit in the myth...er I mean theory of evolution?
It's possible you could find out by reading more about it.



You assume that because my opinion is different than yours that I haven't done any reading on it. I have. I have read books by authors on both sides of the argument and made up my own mind based on the evidence (or lack thereof).

No, I judged that you didn't know what they were calling it, because you asked what they were calling it.
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Monsieur
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France
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Posted - 11/06/2004 :  12:03:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would like to have a dozen of those little men to help me clan my bathroom.


I will show you fear in a handful of dust
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soundofataris
= Cult of Ray =

USA
715 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2004 :  12:17:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Monsieur

I would like to have a dozen of those little men to help me clan my bathroom.


I will show you fear in a handful of dust


Its impossible to organize bathrooms into clans. trust me, I've tried.


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Posted - 11/06/2004 :  12:25:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by harringk

You assume that because my opinion is different than yours that I haven't done any reading on it. I have. I have read books by authors on both sides of the argument and made up my own mind based on the evidence (or lack thereof).




Haha let me guess, those bright coloured popular science books vs creationist bright coloured big lettered small worded literature, you're an expert, darwin look back on your PhD in horror, I shall abandon my post graduate studies because obviously Harringk has read books and knows far more....


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harringk
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USA
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Posted - 11/06/2004 :  12:26:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by apl4eris

No, I judged that you didn't know what they were calling it, because you asked what they were calling it.



Oops my mistake, I misunderstood you. The reason I was asking for darwin's opinion on it is because he was the one attacking the author and article.
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harringk
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USA
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Posted - 11/06/2004 :  12:35:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tre

Haha let me guess, those bright coloured popular science books vs creationist bright coloured big lettered small worded literature, you're an expert, darwin look back on your PhD in horror, I shall abandon my post graduate studies because obviously Harringk has read books and knows far more....


Why so condescending Tre? I've never implied that I knew more about the subject than Darwin or yourself. The reason I even posted the article is because I knew one or both of you would probably post a coherent counter-argument and I appreciate hearing your view even if I don't agree with it.

I was just making the point that my opinion is based on more than blind faith, I've done more reading on the subject than your average slack jawed yokel and come to my conclusions based on my analysis of the available evidence.
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