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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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 Posted - 10/19/2004 : 03:29:18
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I remember assuming that it was kinda obvious that Al Gore was going to win, the logic being that the Bush candidacy was a bit of a joke, and a lot of my friends who were in the US were gonna take the opportunity - like I would have - to cast a vote for Nader, in protest to what seemed to be a joke election, knowing Gore had it in the bag. Oh well.
I assumed this time last year that whoever ran against Bush would also have it in the bag (due to the outright ass-clownery in the last 3 years)....but apparently they managed to 'spin' their way to a neck-and-neck race....despite the fact that Bush had proved himself a moron 3 times in a row recently (and also despite the fact that Cheney doesnt even seem to care that people know he is 'Satan' incarnate).
Now I am preparing myself for the worst. |
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Chip Away Boy
= Cult of Ray =
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Posted - 10/20/2004 : 12:21:07
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hey man, you live in Canada
i think a few months ago we made an agreement with Canada whereas it wouldn't be at all easy for American daftees to go visit your lovely country. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5456 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 12:36:46
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I remember calling my parents to celebrate when the networks called Florida for Gore. And I remember the cold chills when the networks retracted calling Florida for Gore. I remember staying up until about 2am wondering what the hell was going to happen next. And, then I remember watching way too much MSNBC during the twists and turns of the following 2 months.
My prediction: Kerry wins barely but we have recounts and lawsuits. |
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Adam
= Cult of Ray =
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 12:42:31
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Oh yeah, we have to have some crazy election lawsuits this year. I think that would be very suiting since they are also talking about the flu vaccine shortage a steriod use as political topics. And speaking of steriods, anybody who wants 'em should be able to get 'em. You know the consequences bye now anyway.
Free the Heel! |
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ramona
"FB Quote Mistress"
USA
3988 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 13:20:40
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I remember when they declared Gore the winner, and then broke my little heart by taking it back.
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TameReg
- FB Fan -
USA
110 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 13:25:21
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| Oh, I don't want to go through that again! I hope whoever wins, wins by a wide enough margin to avoid all of that. It's been ugly enough, but if we have another tight race it's going to be unbearable, if we get into more lawsuits like last time. |
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harringk
- FB Fan -
USA
202 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 13:57:44
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I hope it isn't close because if it is there is going to be chaos. Unfortunately right now it does look like it will be very close.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041020/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_day_after_strategy_6
Kerry Looks to Avoid Gore Recount Errors
1 hour, 22 minutes ago
By RON FOURNIER, AP Political Writer
WASHINGTON - Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), bracing for a potential fight over election results, will not hesitate to declare victory Nov. 2 and defend it, advisers say. He also will be prepared to name a national security team before knowing whether he's secured the presidency.
In short, the Democratic presidential candidate has a simple strategy for Nov. 3 and beyond: Do not repeat Al Gore (news - web sites)'s mistakes.
The Democratic vice president prematurely conceded the 2000 race to George W. Bush, then had to retract his concession after aides said Florida wasn't lost. He never declared victory, an omission Kerry's advisers — many of whom worked for Gore — now believe created a sense of inevitability in voters' minds about Bush's presidency.
Gore didn't plan for the legal showdown, though few could have predicted it before Election Day. And he watched as Bush seized political advantage during the 36-day recount by publicly discussing a transition to the White House.
Not this time, promise Kerry's advisers. If there is doubt about the results, they will fight without delay.
"The first thing we will do is make sure everybody has an opportunity to vote and every vote is counted," said Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter. "We will be ready to hit the ground running and begin a fresh start in this country, given that so many critical issues are before us."
The prospects for another contested election loom with every poll showing the race neck and neck.
Six so-called "SWAT teams" of lawyers and political operatives will be situated around the country with fueled-up jets awaiting Kerry's orders to speed to a battleground state. The teams have been told to be ready to fly on the evening of the election to begin mounting legal and political fights. Every battleground state will have a SWAT team within an hour of its borders.
The Kerry campaign has recount office space in every battleground state, with plans so detailed they include the number of staplers and coffee machines needed to mount legal challenges.
"Right now, we have 10,000 lawyers out in the battleground states on Election Day, and that number is growing by the day," said Michael Whouley, a Kerry confidant who is running election operations at the Democratic National Committee (news - web sites).
While the lawyers litigate, political operatives will try to shape public perception. Their goal would be to persuade voters that Kerry has the best claim to the presidency and that Republicans are trying to steal it.
Democrats are already laying the public relations groundwork by pointing to every possible voting irregularity before the Nov. 2 election and accusing Republicans of wrongdoing.
On Election Day, Whouley will head the so-called "boiler room," probably in Washington, that tracks vote counts and ensures Kerry doesn't concede too soon. Whouley was the aide who, after noticing Florida was too close to call in 2000, called Gore's team in Tennessee and told them to put the brakes on the concession speech.
Campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill will be with Kerry in Boston, where they will field Whouley's calls.
Jim Johnson, who headed Kerry's vice presidential search team, former Labor Secretary Alexis Herman and longtime Kerry aide David McKean lead the team planning Kerry's transition to the White House.
Aides say the transition process is behind schedule, but Kerry will be ready to name a national security team shortly after the election. They say he has candidates in mind, but is reluctant to discuss the transition while campaigning.
The advisers spoke on condition of anonymity because Kerry wants the focus to be on his campaign for now.
The plan to quickly name a national security team is partly practical (at a time of war, continuity is necessary) and political, aides said, because if there is another recount Kerry will want to show he's ready to take power.
Amid the tumult of the 2000 recount, Bush sought to make his presidency appear inevitable time by leaking word of his national security team and bringing news cameras into his transition meetings. Gore and his staff were more reluctant to talk about the appointment process.
Kerry's advisers say Bush would have a natural political advantage in a re-count in this election because he is the president, with a national security team in place and a public relations spotlight that comes with the White House.
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Associated Press Writer Nedra Pickler, traveling with Kerry's campaign, contributed to this report.
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
9168 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 18:19:34
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I certainly hope the 2000 election won't be repeated. It'll probably be even worse this year, though. I want to get this election over with, and hopefully we'll get Bush out of office. I'm sure that, even if he clearly loses, he won't go quietly, though.
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soundofataris
= Cult of Ray =
USA
715 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 18:42:16
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| I came home from college to vote and then stayed up all night to watch the returns. Hillary became my senator, which I didn't care for at the time but am now pleased about, but the whole Bush-Gore thing freaked me out. I was young and naive at the time and didn't know yet that foxnews was satan's mouthpiece. The mess that followed had me so depressed that I stayed home for a week and missed a lot of school. I had voted for Nader. I had actually volunteered for Nader. I regret that now, regardless of that fact that Gore had a large margin of victory in my state. I thought it didn't matter. My god. What a fool I have been. |
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 22:58:57
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This is going to be one brutal election. Would it be over the top to say we'd be lucky if there aren't any riots? It sickens and saddens me that there's even a chance that Bush would win. It makes me sick to my stomach. No one can convince me that a vote for Bush is a vote in the right direction. Apparently people love to be lied to. Apparently people don't mind if elections are stolen. Apparently people don't mind that the person who runs this fucking country can't even speak proper English.
If you support Bush, do the future of this world a favor and fucking die in your sleep tonight.
I guess I just wasn't made for these times. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 10/20/2004 : 23:52:19
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i am ashamed to admit to thinking 'what's the difference they're both assholes'
oh how wrong i was.... |
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
895 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 03:33:36
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I never really understood the 'what's the difference' view of Gore/Bush.....Gore planned on signing the Kyoto accord (I mean the guys wrote a book and quite a few articles on environmental issues), having been vice president for eight years (and travelling to foreign nations to reinforce diplomatic relations) gave him a better foreign policy while Bush had no intention of signing the Kyoto Accord, and no Foreign Policy (seemingly)....
They were both very, very different.....oh and Gore wouldnt have invaded Iraq. |
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harringk
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USA
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 11:18:52
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Originally posted by El Barto
Apparently people love to be lied to.
That is hilarious coming from (I assume) a Kerry supporter. Thanks for starting my day off with a laugh. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 11:34:59
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Originally posted by harringk
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Originally posted by El Barto
Apparently people love to be lied to.
That is hilarious coming from (I assume) a Kerry supporter. Thanks for starting my day off with a laugh.
Yes. It seems possible that Kerry is even more of a liar than is Bill Clinton. |
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1342 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 11:47:23
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by harringk
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Originally posted by El Barto
Apparently people love to be lied to.
That is hilarious coming from (I assume) a Kerry supporter. Thanks for starting my day off with a laugh.
Yes. It seems possible that Kerry is even more of a liar than is Bill Clinton.
Are there politicians that don't lie? Oh yeah, that's right...Abraham Lincoln. And George Washington. Never mind.
1. I am a fsh with no i's.
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5456 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 11:48:23
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by harringk
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Originally posted by El Barto
Apparently people love to be lied to.
That is hilarious coming from (I assume) a Kerry supporter. Thanks for starting my day off with a laugh.
Yes. It seems possible that Kerry is even more of a liar than is Bill Clinton.
For example? |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 13:06:55
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Originally posted by darwin
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Originally posted by Erebus
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Originally posted by harringk
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Originally posted by El Barto
Apparently people love to be lied to.
That is hilarious coming from (I assume) a Kerry supporter. Thanks for starting my day off with a laugh.
Yes. It seems possible that Kerry is even more of a liar than is Bill Clinton.
For example?
Depends on what day it is, doesn't it? The latest would seem to be bashing Bush for Tora Bora when he was totally onboard with the strategy at the time.
And then there is his Vietnam testimony, and the medals thrown over the fence, and lying in Vietnam to get the medals, and lying about being in Cambodia.
A few quotes. You find the lies.
-- "Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." -- John Kerry 12/20/03
-- "...(T)he satisfaction we take in (Saddam's) downfall does not hide this fact: We have traded a dictator for a chaos that has left America less secure." -- John Kerry, 9/20/04
-- "Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is critical to the outcome of the war on terror, and therefore any advance in Iraq is an advance forward in that and I disagree with the Governor [Howard Dean]." -- John Kerry, 12/15/03
-- "...(W)e must have a great honest national debate on Iraq. The President claims it is the centerpiece of his war on terror. In fact, Iraq was a profound diversion from that war and the battle against our greatest enemy, Osama bin Laden and the terrorists." -- John Kerry 9/20/04
-- "If you don't believe ... Saddam Hussein is a threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn't vote for me." -- John Kerry, USA Today on 2/13/03
-- "It would be naive to the point of grave danger not to believe that, left to his own devices, Saddam Hussein will provoke, misjudge, or stumble into a future, more dangerous confrontation with the civilized world....He has supported and harbored terrorist groups, particularly radical Palestinian groups such as Abu Nidal, and he has given money to families of suicide murderers in Israel. ...We should not go to war because these things are in his past, but we should be prepared to go to war because of what they tell us about the future." -- John Kerry 10/9/02
-- "Yet today, President Bush tells us that he would do everything all over again, the same way. How can he possibly be serious? Is he really saying that if we knew there were no imminent threat, no weapons of mass destruction, no ties to Al Qaeda, the United States should have invaded Iraq? My answer is no - because a Commander-in-Chief's first responsibility is to make a wise and responsible decision to keep America safe." -- John Kerry, 9/20/04
-- "I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq - Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991." -- John Kerry, 7/29/02
-- "It's the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time." -- John Kerry, 9/06/04
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 13:10:23
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A lying politician? How novel.
"You ever seen a man say goodbye to a shoe?"
"Yes, once..." |
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KimStanleyRobinson
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The Calistanian
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 13:23:33
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Originally posted by Cheeseman1000
A lying politician? How novel.
"You ever seen a man say goodbye to a shoe?"
"Yes, once..."
Sounds like a wacky TV show/movie idea to me...
1. I am a fsh with no i's.
2. You must be wearing Zubaz, 'cause you're daring to be different.
3. I am a man with 3 fingers...but that doesn't count my index finger nor my thumb. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5456 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 13:26:32
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Originally posted by Erebus
Depends on what day it is, doesn't it? The latest would seem to be bashing Bush for Tora Bora when he was totally onboard with the strategy at the time.
I suppose you are refering to this:
QUOTE FOR THE DAY: "But for the moment, what we are doing, I think, is having its impact and it is the best way to protect our troops and sort of minimalize the proximity, if you will. I think we have been doing this pretty effectively and we should continue to do it that way." - John Kerry, discussing the tactic of outsourcing the capture of Osama bin Laden to local warlords at the time
But if you look at the whole Larry King quote:
KING: Mount Holly Springs, Pennsylvania -- hello.
CALLER: Hello. Yes, I would like to ask the panel why they don't use napalm or flamethrowers on those tunnels and caves up there in Afghanistan?
KING: Senator Kerry?
CALLER: My golly, I think they could smoke him out.
KING: Senator Kerry?
KERRY: Well, I think it depends on where you are tactically. They may well be doing that at some point in time. But for the moment, what we are doing, I think, is having its impact and it is the best way to protect our troops and sort of minimalize the proximity, if you will. I think we have been doing this pretty effectively and we should continue to do it that way.
I can see that he is refering to not getting up troops right up to the mouth of the caves. He is not supporting the "strategery" of Tora Bora.
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And then there is his Vietnam testimony, and the medals thrown over the fence, and lying in Vietnam to get the medals, and lying about being in Cambodia.
I don't see any lies there. He was in Cambodia. He did deserve the medals.
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-- "Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." -- John Kerry 12/20/03
-- "...(T)he satisfaction we take in (Saddam's) downfall does not hide this fact: We have traded a dictator for a chaos that has left America less secure." -- John Kerry, 9/20/04
No lie. (quote 1) Getting rid of Saddam: good thing. (quote 2) Letting Iraq turn into a hornets nest: bad thing. I see no inconsistency there.
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-- "I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq - Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991." -- John Kerry, 7/29/02
-- "It's the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time." -- John Kerry, 9/06/04
Regime change does not equal war. Plus, I have hard time holding someone at fault for supporting the President when the President and his administration was lying to him about the situation. Kerry may have thought Saddam was an imminent threat, but it has become clear that was due to Bush's lies. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 13:44:03
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| Kerry was most decidedly not in Cambodia. If you read the first half of the Swift Boats book you'll see that Kerry lied and falsified himself into his medals. And Bush said we need to act BEFORE Iraq became an imminent threat. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 13:57:19
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Originally posted by Erebus
Kerry was most decidedly not in Cambodia.
Oh, if you say so.
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If you read the first half of the Swift Boats book you'll see that Kerry lied and falsified himself into his medals.
Hehe, you're a funny guy. Swift Boats book = proof. Good one.
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And Bush said we need to act BEFORE Iraq became an imminent threat.
I thought we needed to attack because Iraq had WMD. Not because they could make WMD or that Saddam himself is a WMD, but because they HAVE them. Bush sure fucked that one up. Cost him a second term. |
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harringk
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USA
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 14:01:00
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Here is a funny one for you.
While pandering to one group or another Kerry insists "I don't own an SUV" When confronted about a Suburban kept at the family home in Idaho (only 1 of 6 SUVs owned by the family) what was Kerry's reply? "The family has it, I don't have it."
http://news.bostonherald.com/opinion/view.bg?articleid=3835&format=
Of course most of his defenders will just say "who cares" we're talking about a stupid car, much the same way they defended Clinton's BJ lies. But it says a lot about his character, or lack thereof. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 14:03:44
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You really should check out the Swift Boats book. The text rings true, and the Swift representatives could not have been more credible each time I saw them on TV.
Don't you ever wonder what's in those military records Kerry won't release? My own belief is that he may not have received an honorable discharge until Carter's Vietnam amnesty program went into effect. We're dealing with world class scum here, and I think you know it. |
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harringk
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 14:05:45
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Originally posted by darwin
I thought we needed to attack because Iraq had WMD. Not because they could make WMD or that Saddam himself is a WMD, but because they HAVE them. Bush sure fucked that one up. Cost him a second term.
You have a short memory Darwin. Scroll up the page a bit and read Kerry's quotes again. Kerry's position on Iraq was the same as Bush's until Dean started to pull away in the primaries by opposing the war. Then Kerry changed his entire song (the first time but not the last this would happen). |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
5456 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 14:06:05
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Originally posted by harringk
Here is a funny one for you.
While pandering to one group or another Kerry insists "I don't own an SUV" When confronted about a Suburban kept at the family home in Idaho (only 1 of 6 SUVs owned by the family) what was Kerry's reply? "The family has it, I don't have it."
http://news.bostonherald.com/opinion/view.bg?articleid=3835&format=
Of course most of his defenders will just say "who cares" we're talking about a stupid car, much the same way they defended Clinton's BJ lies. But it says a lot about his character, or lack thereof.
Your right lying about an SUV when Kerry considers that his wife's car is worse than lying about nuclear material, WMD, being a "steward" for the environment, ect.
If that's the best you got, it's going to be a landslide. First the Red Sox! Next Kerry! It's going to be a great Fall. |
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Cheeseman1000
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Iceland
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 14:11:56
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quote:
Originally posted by harringk
Here is a funny one for you.
While pandering to one group or another Kerry insists "I don't own an SUV" When confronted about a Suburban kept at the family home in Idaho (only 1 of 6 SUVs owned by the family) what was Kerry's reply? "The family has it, I don't have it."
http://news.bostonherald.com/opinion/view.bg?articleid=3835&format=
Of course most of his defenders will just say "who cares" we're talking about a stupid car, much the same way they defended Clinton's BJ lies. But it says a lot about his character, or lack thereof.
We have a similar situation, except our Prime Minister lied about Iraq's weapons capability in order to persuade us to go to war. Same difference I guess.
"You ever seen a man say goodbye to a shoe?"
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 14:13:52
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I'm still voting for him and so are millions of other people who want Alfred E. f-ing Newman and the Armageddon Boyz out of the whitehouse.
So! There tha'rt bare again, nowt but a bare-arsed lass an' a bit of a Lady Jane! |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 14:24:01
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Originally posted by Erebus
You really should check out the Swift Boats book. The text rings true, and the Swift representatives could not have been more credible each time I saw them on TV.
Don't you ever wonder what's in those military records Kerry won't release? My own belief is that he may not have received an honorable discharge until Carter's Vietnam amnesty program went into effect. We're dealing with world class scum here, and I think you know it.
I don't. And, honestly I can't really believe that you think that Swift Boat book is credible. I need to work (so can't keep googling) but there has been plenty of documentation that the Swift Boat guys are liars. But, it doesn't really matter. This flare up was in August and the campaign has moved on. |
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harringk
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 14:24:52
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Unfortunately if you get your wish and Kerry wins, I think you'll actually see what armageddon is.
Kerry: "Lets give nuclear fuel to terrorists just to test them, if they don't blow us (or israel) up we'll know they were honest about their intentions. I mean it worked great with Clinton and the N Koreans, so lets do it again."
Good plan buddy... |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 14:26:26
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quote:
Originally posted by harringk
quote:
Originally posted by darwin
I thought we needed to attack because Iraq had WMD. Not because they could make WMD or that Saddam himself is a WMD, but because they HAVE them. Bush sure fucked that one up. Cost him a second term.
You have a short memory Darwin. Scroll up the page a bit and read Kerry's quotes again. Kerry's position on Iraq was the same as Bush's until Dean started to pull away in the primaries by opposing the war. Then Kerry changed his entire song (the first time but not the last this would happen).
I do in fact have a short memory. Terrible thing.
Scroll up yourself and see my reply. |
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 14:37:14
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Originally posted by harringk
Unfortunately if you get your wish and Kerry wins, I think you'll actually see what armageddon is.
Oooh, yeah...good ol' tasty fear. Love it, donchya?
You know what I'm afraid of?
I'm afraid that Kerry is going to have his hands so full picking up after Bush's 4 years of right-wing idiocy that he won't be able to concentrate on domestic issues as much as he'd like to...thereby providing indivduals like yourself with more ammunition to cut him down.
We're ready for all of it, though - and we've been ready since 2K.
No worries. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 14:38:56
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I found this an insightful thought experiment regarding the anything-to-win mendacity of Kerry.
http://www.sunnyblog.com/
If Bush had not invaded Iraq
10/19/2004
Democrat Presidential nominee John Kerry delivered a speech today condemning President Bush for failing to invade Iraq in the follow-up of military action against the Talaban and Al Qaeda in Afghanastan. "Leaving this tyrant in power in contravention of numerous United Nations resolutions is unconscionable," Kerry told the Veterans of Foreign Wars. "He has left available a base of operations and a source of supply and money."
Kerry went on to criticize the war against terror as "stalled" while the real threat to America, "Saddam Hussein’s Iraq goes untouched." Kerry said, "People are murdered daily in Baghdad and throughout the country. Rape rooms are a tragic reality. Torture chambers are full as Saddam’s sons carry out their sadistic impulses on the helpless and hapless victims of this regime. President Bush has done nothing as this brutal dictator takes the money from the Oil for Food to build palaces while his people go without food...
"There can be no doubt of Saddam’s ties to our terrorist enemies. We know that in 1998, after bin Laden issued his public fatwa against the United States, two al Queda members went to Iraq where they met with Iraqi intelligence. Within weeks, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet with bin Laden and extend to him safe haven in Iraq. Bin Laden remained with the Talaban, but the invitation from Saddam was always there. Al-Zarqawi has long received refuge in Iraq. The terrorist Forouk Hijazi is known to train his forces there. Abu Nidal has safe haven in Baghdad as he plots murders. Abu Abbas, who planned the hijacking of the Achille Lauro, lives in safety in Iraq. And at Salman Pack, just south of Baghdad, terrorists train using the fuselage of a commercial jet airline. The trail of evidence revealing Saddam Hussein’s ties to terrorists is self-evident to all but those in the White House.
"Our own intelligence organizations and those of Great Britain, France and Germany, agree that Saddam is aggressively pursuing weapons of mass destruction. For all that, he has been left free to further develop his weapons of mass destruction which he can deliver into the hands of those who make war against us at any moment. Saddam Hussein has trained, financed and armed terrorist who attack and murder us, yet our President stands stalled on the border of Iraq, preoccupied with wiping up the last remnants of the Talaban in Afghanistan. To leave this cancer in the midst of the Middle East is to have assured defeat in this so-called war against terror. We need fresh leadership, a President with the vision to remove those who support our enemies from power. To have not invaded Iraq, when the whole world acknowledged the necessity, is to leave a job undone and is the height of arrogance and criminal stupidity."
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KimStanleyRobinson
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 14:51:21
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Ronald J. Watkins = rightwing asshat.
So! There tha'rt bare again, nowt but a bare-arsed lass an' a bit of a Lady Jane! |
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harringk
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 14:55:50
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Originally posted by darwin
I do in fact have a short memory. Terrible thing.
Scroll up yourself and see my reply.
Ok, I missed this predictable little tidbit at the bottom of your post.
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Originally posted by darwin
Regime change does not equal war. Plus, I have hard time holding someone at fault for supporting the President when the President and his administration was lying to him about the situation. Kerry may have thought Saddam was an imminent threat, but it has become clear that was due to Bush's lies.
Your side is like a broken record screeching that Bush/Blair lied. Where is the proof? You claim to be a scientist, don't you deal with facts? And no, the fact that no significant WMD has turned up in Iraq doesn't prove your case. The only thing that proves is bad intelligence by various intelligence agencies around the globe.
Show me a smoking gun that Bush/Blair KNEW there would be no WMD found in Iraq but proceeded anyway and continued to claim it was there and I'll change my vote.
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Election 2000: Memories
