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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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 Posted - 10/21/2004 : 15:17:26
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Just another Kerry lie for you. Reminds me of the "disenfranchise one million black voters" lie they've been using lately, evidently on the basis of bogus extrapolation from the number of black voters allegedly disenfranchised in Florida 2000.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/le20041021.shtml
[in a debate] Kerry said, "I don't know how you can govern in this country when you look at New York City and you see that 50 percent of the black males there are unemployed." Really?
Kerry apparently got his 50 percent figure from the Community Service Society of New York, an organization that purports to "lead the fight against poverty in New York City." Their February 2004 annual report states, "In 2003 barely one-half (51.8 percent) of New York black men were employed," citing data derived from "Current Population Surveys," "monthly estimates" and "statistical models."
The Department of Labor Statistics, however, says that in 2002 the unemployment rate for black males in New York City stood at 12.6 percent. And for the first six months of 2004 it calculated the unemployment rate for black men and women at 12.6 percent -- just a tad lower than Kerry's 50 percent.
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
4020 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 16:20:28
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Your side is like a broken record screeching that Bush/Blair lied. Where is the proof? You claim to be a scientist, don't you deal with facts? And no, the fact that no significant WMD has turned up in Iraq doesn't prove your case. The only thing that proves is bad intelligence by various intelligence agencies around the globe.
Show me a smoking gun that Bush/Blair KNEW there would be no WMD found in Iraq but proceeded anyway and continued to claim it was there and I'll change my vote.
What more proof do you need other than the fact that Bush and Cheney came out and admitted they knew Saddam didn't have WMD, but if they hadn't done anything, "he would get them eventually."? Did you miss that news story? I think it was sometime last week...it was a blip on the radar. THEY FUCKING ADMITTED IT. They also admitted that they weren't very sure about the intelligence they received, THE INTELLIGENCE THEY USED TO GO TO WAR. The intelligence they based their whole fucking argument on...they weren't sure about it. How about Rice admitting that they weren't sure about Saddam's connection to Al-Qaeda? How about the Iraq report which stated Saddam hadn't manufactured any weapons since 92?
Your idiocy makes me sick to admit I share the same species with you. I hope all those who support Bush will rot in hell.
I guess I just wasn't made for these times. |
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darwin
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 16:23:45
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Originally posted by harringk
Your side is like a broken record screeching that Bush/Blair lied. Where is the proof? You claim to be a scientist, don't you deal with facts? And no, the fact that no significant WMD has turned up in Iraq doesn't prove your case. The only thing that proves is bad intelligence by various intelligence agencies around the globe.
Show me a smoking gun that Bush/Blair KNEW there would be no WMD found in Iraq but proceeded anyway and continued to claim it was there and I'll change my vote.
I'm not going to waste my time. Nothing I post would enough for you and your 1 vote doesn't matter to me. There are plenty of articles and memos showing that the Bush administration emphasized intelligence that supported their case, while ignoring and keeping from other public officials intelligence that contradicted their claims. Also, BEFORE the war the UN inspections (another agency from aroud the globe) found no evidence for WMD.
And I don't claim to be a scientist. I am a scientist. |
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 16:25:09
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El Barto
= Song DB Master =
USA
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Erebus
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1834 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 16:45:11
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[i]Originally posted by El Barto
Bush and Cheney admit that a major argument they used to go to war, WHICH RESULTED IN THE DEATHS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, *WAS A FUCKING LIE*, and you hear about it for what? A day?
I believe they are "admitting" that a basis for going to war was in ERROR, not "a fucking lie". You can see the difference, can't you? And perhaps you can even see why the story had no legs? Seems to me that the Bush supporters you so despise might just possess rational faculties you yourself lack. |
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2638 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 16:49:56
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same over here... intelligence misleading... but no regrets for going to war (ie removing saddam and his regime)
i kind of agree with the war and am pro-blair. not *really* a fan of bush, but don't think he's as bad as people make out... gore would have been good, liked clinton, not too sure about kerry at all.
and that's a uk'ers view of things.  i shall craw back under my great rock...
The Monkey Helper has arrived http://www.monkeyhelper.co.uk (that is my band) |
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4894 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 17:03:43
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I would like to point out he's not representative
Frank Black ate my hamster |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 17:07:40
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 17:46:47
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hey look this thread turned into another erebus and harringk suck bush's balls fest.
sorry i wasn't paying attention to nip it in the bud when they started.
god you guys are fucking retards. you want to talk about kerry lying in the '60s and '70s, (we'll just forget the issue of whether the Swift Boat guys are reliable sources), why don't you take a look at what your buddy G-Dub was up to around that time. wonderful fella, really.
you guys are ridiculous. take your bullshit elsewhere, it's not appreciated or useful here.
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the most unbelievably hilarious part of the whole thing is that you two seem to think you are unbiased, or somehow less biased than other people on here.
let me clue you in; you're the most biased two people on the forum. |
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PixieSteve
> Teenager of the Year <
Poland
4698 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 17:54:36
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harringk
- FB Fan -
USA
202 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 18:00:19
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Originally posted by El Barto
You promised, change your vote:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041008/news_1n8weapons.html
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20041007/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq_weapons
http://www.ktvu.com/politics/3792265/detail.html
Did you even read those articles?
All they said is that they have admitted that we haven't found any stockpiles of WMD and there may not have been any there. Shit man, that ain't no smoking gun, it says nothing about WHAT THEY KNEW BEFORE THE WAR, it only says what was discovered after we had the benefit of an unfettered search. It doesn't change the fact that they trusted the intelligence that they would find WMD before the invasion. If you're surprised those stories weren't major headlines you're dumber than I thought.
I said show me something that proves that Bush/Blair KNEW AHEAD OF TIME THAT IRAQ HAD NO WMD AND THEY WOULDN'T FIND ANY. That is the only way you can justify the liar tag your side throws around.
Your whole point of view doesn't even make sense. IF Bush/Blair knew ahead of time that there were no WMD, why would they make that the main argument to go to war knowing they wouldn't find any? Or if they're as evil as you all seem to think, why didn't they just plant a little antrax, or nerve gas to justify their reasoning? If they knew all of this ahead of time they could've made just as good of a case for war without ever bringing up WMD and would've received the same amount of support from those of us that are still supporting them. All you crybabies wouldn't have supported them no matter what they said or what they found anyway.
The fact remains, you have no justification to call Bush or Blair a liar based on their pre-war WMD claims.
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frank_black_francis
= Cult of Ray =
Canada
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 18:05:39
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Originally posted by Erebus
Just another Kerry lie for you. The Department of Labor Statistics, however, says that in 2002 the unemployment rate for black males in New York City stood at 12.6 percent. And for the first six months of 2004 it calculated the unemployment rate for black men and women at 12.6 percent -- just a tad lower than Kerry's 50 percent.
Actually, a little point of fact....The Dept of Labor Statistics bases its unemployment figures on the 'employable' population....in other words, it calculates how many people are receiving unemployment insurance benefits, compares it to those who are employed and derive their percentage. Once those people have been unemployed for 6 months, they drop of the list considered for employment rates (they are classified as not looking for employment anymore)....based on the whole population of 18 years-65 years, the unemployed percentage is more like 50%.
....or you could just run with your mis-information....see how far it'll take ya. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 18:09:52
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Originally posted by harringk
The fact remains, you have no justification to call Bush or Blair a liar based on their pre-war WMD claims.
ok how about just reckless shitheads for going to war far before it was even remotely necessary?
how about totally fucking inhuman for wasting human lives to make haliburton and saudi arabia happy?
how about liars for constantly trying to paint a happy face on death and misery?
why don't you do everyone here a favour and throw your keyboard in the garbage bin. there's nothing you'll ever type that's worth reading. |
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harringk
- FB Fan -
USA
202 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 18:11:37
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
hey look this thread turned into another erebus and harringk suck bush's balls fest.
sorry i wasn't paying attention to nip it in the bud when they started.
god you guys are fucking retards. you want to talk about kerry lying in the '60s and '70s, (we'll just forget the issue of whether the Swift Boat guys are reliable sources), why don't you take a look at what your buddy G-Dub was up to around that time. wonderful fella, really.
you guys are ridiculous. take your bullshit elsewhere, it's not appreciated or useful here.
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the most unbelievably hilarious part of the whole thing is that you two seem to think you are unbiased, or somehow less biased than other people on here.
let me clue you in; you're the most biased two people on the forum.
Ebb have you ever added anything of substance to any thread on this site? You come into every thread throwing around insults and trying to sound tough hoping that you can stifle any actual discussion that is taking place. Once, just once, why don't you try to act like a civilised person and actually contribute to a discussion instead of trying to shut it down.
If that is too much to ask from you then just mosey on down to one of the many other sites I guarantee you spend half your life at and spread your hate there. |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 18:17:38
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hahaha add substance? hello mr. pot, this is mr. kettle.
discussion? all i see is a couple of mindless drones spewing out predigested horse shit. you want a discussion? have one with me. you're the only one here throwing around insults with no substance. respond to my comment about bush's activities during the same time period. you won't, because there's nothing you can say that doesn't make you look like an ass.
one of the other sites you "guarantee" i spend half my life at? what sites would those be? i'd like to know. because the only place i spend half my life is work. i live in the real world, not up dick cheney's colon.
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i also think it's hilarious how you insult "the left" and "kerry supporters", when you know that's who you're talking to.
why don't you two get a clue and take your crap somewhere else? nobody here is interested in it. |
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harringk
- FB Fan -
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 18:33:47
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
hahaha add substance? hello mr. pot, this is mr. kettle.
discussion? all i see is a couple of mindless drones spewing out predigested horse shit. you want a discussion? have one with me. you're the only one here throwing around insults with no substance. respond to my comment about bush's activities during the same time period. you won't, because there's nothing you can say that doesn't make you look like an ass.
one of the other sites you "guarantee" i spend half my life at? what sites would those be? i'd like to know. because the only place i spend half my life is work. i live in the real world, not up dick cheney's colon.
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i also think it's hilarious how you insult "the left" and "kerry supporters", when you know that's who you're talking to.
why don't you two get a clue and take your crap somewhere else? nobody here is interested in it.
I'm not even going to try to have a discussion with someone as childish as yourself in this medium, it would be pointless. We could probably sit down somewhere face to face and have an actual discussion because you wouldn't act like such an asshole in fear of getting your ass kicked. But when people like you get behind a computer screen, any chance of a civlized discussion is thrown out the window.
I have no idea what other sites you spend your time at. But you love the sound of your own voice so much I would find it hard to believe that you limit your rants to only this message board.
And I could care less what Bush or Kerry were doing 30 years ago. Their public service record is all I need to make a decision. Kerry tried to run based on his military service record 30 years ago (and ignored his public service record), which made it a relevant discussion to those who cared. Bush has admitted that he was an alcoholic in his younger days and that after he met his wife he settled down, who cares? |
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 18:49:12
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you're the one threatening violence and i'm childish?
you guarantee i spend half my life on some sites but you have no idea what ones? i like the sound of my own voice? my post count is pretty low for how long i've been here.
you could care less what they were doing 30 years ago? doesn't seem that way previously in the thread.
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harringk
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 18:58:47
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Originally posted by Ebb Vicious
you're the one threatening violence and i'm childish?
you guarantee i spend half my life on some sites but you have no idea what ones? i like the sound of my own voice? my post count is pretty low for how long i've been here.
you could care less what they were doing 30 years ago? doesn't seem that way previously in the thread.
I never threatened violence, I am not a violent person. I was just saying that there is no way that you are as abrasive in "real" life as you are on this site. If you were, you would have been beaten into submission or brutally murdered long ago.
And please point out where in this thread I showed any concern over what Bush or Kerry were doing 30 years ago.
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Ebb Vicious
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1162 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 19:02:07
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uhh, no because most people are not as quick to violence as murder as president bush. maybe the reason you think they are is why you support him.
'k i got you and erebus confused, to be honest i don't read which one of you is posting what. i know if it's republican bullshit then it's going to be one of the two of you. |
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VoVat
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2004 : 19:23:44
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Are there politicians that don't lie? Oh yeah, that's right...Abraham Lincoln. And George Washington.
I heard that, when Clinton, Bush, and Kerry chopped down cherry trees, they never owned up to it!
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Kerry was most decidedly not in Cambodia.
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Oh, if you say so.
Well, see, Erebus WAS in Cambodia. And he had really good binoculars, so he could see every other person in the country at the time.
Seriously, though, since when is changing your mind tantamount to lying?
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Election 2000: Memories
