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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
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 Posted - 10/19/2004 : 01:35:58
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downloaded this last week from soulseek (i did install soulseek just for this purpose). needless to say i will buy the disc when it comes out, but i couldn't wait for another half year.
the first impression was: wow, it's a long way from trompe le monde. trompe and honeycomb, with these two discs one can describe the idea of music frank black has, i think. i'm not saying these are his best works (well, for me trompe somehow is, and honeycomb may turn to), but the span such a wide range (musically, conceptionally, lyrically,...) which is perfectly filled by all other albums. trompe and honeycomb are just like yin and yang, like alpha and omega. if you get these two albums, you get frank black. imho.
more or less all songs from honeycomb are really very, very good. i loved them instantly, which is rare for frank, espeacially the late works. the lyrical pictures are so beautiful("to melt like honey in the sea" from selki bride). "i burn today", "sing for joy", "atom in my heart", "selki bride" are among my favourites, but it's hard to rank with a collection of only A+ songs. (okay, "my life in a storedge" is not that brilliant). "violet" and "strange goodbye" - knowing the story makes it hard not shed a tear.
when frank goes mellow, he sounds like howe gelb. even the voices are similiar. honeycomb can be no doubt mistaken for a giant sand album  !
BUT....
there are some songs on this album where i had the impression i've heard this before.
examples:
"selki bride":
"if you retuuuurn again" - "those where the daaaays my friend"
"i burn today" reminds me of "true blue"
"sing for joy" - a bit like "everything is new" or j.cash's interpretation from "jesus, i don't want to die alone"
but maybe i'm just looking for stains on this perfect album. if you don't have it already, get i, get it, get it (and of course buy it, buy it, bu it when it comes out!).
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 02:18:31
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WHAT? My Life Is In Storage, not brilliant? You probably haven't listened to it enough. I understand that some might not like the long solo at the end (that's the reason why a lot of people don't like Blast Off or 1826), but the sung part and especially the 2nd half (slow part) is mindblowing.
Denis
"I believe in your perfect face..." |
Edited by - vilainde on 10/19/2004 02:18:57 |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 03:37:22
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Blast Off is a cracker, was listening to it today on the plane.... I love this song, to me it sounds like well Bowie-influenced.
Just the good ole boys, never meaning no harm,
that all you ever saw
been in trouble with the law,
since the day they were born |
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remig
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1734 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 03:55:44
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My favourites on what I'e heard from now:
Sing for Joy, My Life is in Storage, Selkie Bride, Velvet Nightmare, Dark End of the Street, Shrimp Song, SSMVGD, I Burn Today, Honeycomb, Lone Child, Atom in My Heart and Strange Goodbye.
Other songs are OK++ for now, but those above are wonderful.
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So you have no point of reference, Donny.
You're like a child that wanders INTO THE MIDDLE OF A MOVIE! |
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Don Eduardo
= Cult of Ray =
Australia
403 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 07:25:19
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I gotta say i was pretty disappointed that Where The Wind Is Going isn't on the latest tracklisting - that would have to be near to my favourite. Probably the only songs i'm not a particular fan of are Kiss My Ring, Dark End Of the Street, All Around The World and Violet. The rest are damn good.
3rd Annual Australian Frank Black Countdown August 2003 - all involved parties rank EVERY released FB song from FB self/titled to the present - average ranks are calculated - beer (or suitable substitute) is added (mostly in drinking-game form - ie. rate a song well below its average and you drink a punishing amount), then sit back and enjoy a day of frank black....the only problem is quite often memory of the top songs is somewhat limited the next day |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 07:36:24
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I've never been one to cry from music (at least not non-classical music), but Strange Goodbye was probably as close as I came. Such a touching and absolutely bittersweet song. The next time someone asks me what bittersweet means, I'm slapping a pair of headphones on them and playing this track.
Selkie Bride is easily my favourite and would make a heck of a single (though those record/radio types might not like the longish intro, but they can burn in the deepest pits of hell reserved for those with no appreciation for music at all).
 "Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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Adam
= Cult of Ray =
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2004 : 07:44:30
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I am only saying good things about this album, not that I have anything bad to say. Highway To Lowdown is straight off the meat rack. It's tighter that bango strings. In other words, I really, really like it. I can't get enough of it.
Free the Heel! |
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NSpannaus
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 17:36:36
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all you lucky bastards need to get onto Soulseek and share this with me!!
pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease |
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The Holiday Son
= Quote Accumulator =
France
2010 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 05:28:45
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Strange Goodbye is brilliant.
By far the best song of the lot. |
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bumblebeeboy2
> Teenager of the Year <
United Kingdom
2638 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 05:53:25
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why is everyone saying selkie bride? isn't it Selkie Bridge? or is that an error with my track names?
The Monkey Helper has arrived http://www.monkeyhelper.co.uk (that is my band) |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 07:17:27
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Error in your track name.
"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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Devils Islander
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United Kingdom
101 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2004 : 12:27:06
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SSMVGD 2000 v SSMVGD 2004
No contest. The former wins by a country mile. The new version just sounds like a bunch of tired old musos going through the motions.
...where the Ballyhoos and the Tritons are. |
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Avid-Fan
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Posted - 10/22/2004 : 02:23:19
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Haven't heard it yet... but I'm wondering does "my life is in storage" still contain the "funk" component that was originally listed in April?
ie. MY LIFE IS IN STORAGE / FUNK.
What was/is Funk? anyone..............
(( I talk plain talk )) |
Edited by - Avid-Fan on 10/22/2004 02:46:06 |
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Cult_Of_Frank
= Black Noise Maker =
Canada
11687 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2004 : 07:38:34
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DI, I like the original SSMVGD too, not just 'cause I'm used to it, but because I love Eric's keys. Love em.
"Join the Cult of Frank 2.0 / And you'll be enlightened (free for 1.x members)" |
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Bartholomew
= Cult of Ray =
USA
344 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2004 : 14:17:37
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Monsieur
* Dog in the Sand *
France
1688 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2004 : 20:26:31
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In my opinion we shouldn't discuss it on the forum. Having downloaded it is perfectly illegal.
I will show you fear in a handful of dust |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2004 : 03:18:25
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quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
WHAT? My Life Is In Storage, not brilliant? You probably haven't listened to it enough. I understand that some might not like the long solo at the end (that's the reason why a lot of people don't like Blast Off or 1826), but the sung part and especially the 2nd half (slow part) is mindblowing.
Denis
"I believe in your perfect face..."
for me, it's just too repetitive. the start is amazing, but after 30 seconds i've the impression that's it. the 2nd part - i don't really know.
p.s.: i love blast off and i almost hate 1826
Open the gate, it's a big Wiener dog ! |
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two reelers
* Dog in the Sand *
Austria
1036 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2004 : 03:20:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Bartholomew
I love this CD. Frank's best ever is what my I'm thinking a few days into it...My favorite song is Honeycomb and it's Deep, dark, mystery depths... I could live inside that song. Anyone else love that song?
i also think the song honeycomb is amazing - for me it has a similiar same feel like subbacultcha, don't know why. guess the structure is really similiar.
Open the gate, it's a big Wiener dog ! |
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pong
= Cult of Ray =
France
315 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2004 : 08:21:11
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My fave : "honeycomb" ! what a beautifull singing on it !
- Pong
"i'll be on the first fligh" |
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Stuart
- The Clopser -
China
2291 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2004 : 16:56:53
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The start of honeycomb is cool, when it changes and goes into a small guitar intro before the singing, priceless!
This is a high class bureau de change, not some Punch & Judy show on the seafront at Margate! |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2004 : 08:20:07
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This isn't even the finished result!
I have got high hopes for march 2005!
These 19 tracks doesn't seem to flow that good to me though
But it isn't like this is the tracklist, not at all, so I'll wait and see
Favourites so far: Selki Bride, Honeycomb, My Life is in Storage, Highway To Lowdown, SSMVGD (love this version, but the 2000 version has some really over the top guitars that I prefer), Shrimp Song (finally found its way)
Just a question; Sing for Joy, the lyrics sound straight from the heart, and that's great, but they sound a bit weak to me, as is Frank singing and the piano playing. I think the song is amazing and his big potential but this recording doesn't work for me. However, I only listened to it 4 times so maybe I am a bit too rushy with my review
one last question
on the last catholics tour they played a song
what was written down in setlists as Fare Thee Well
is that the same song as
Sad man's song on honeycomb?
I hear him sing Fare Thee Well some times
 "I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2004 : 08:28:29
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Tracklist is supposed to be:
SING FOR JOY
HONEYCOMB
I BURN TODAY
MY LIFE IS IN STORAGE
SELKIE BRIDE
DARK END OF THE STREET
LONE CHILD
ANOTHER VELVET NIGHTMARE
SUNDAY SUNNY MILL VALLEY GROOVE DAY
GO FIND YOUR SAINT
THE SHRIMP SONG
VIOLET
ATOM IN MY HEART
STRANGE GOODBYE
Dunno about the other 5, but I do hope Kiss My Ring will eventually be released cause it's one of my faves (Sad Man's Song & Where the Wind is Going are great too).
Denis
"If you do 7-Up, you can't ever do Coke or Pepsi. You've got to hold out for the best deal possible. It's about me being a smart businesswoman as well as a musician." - Jessica Simpson |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2004 : 08:31:07
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About Sad Man's Song, I think it's different to the Fare Thee Well song the Catholics played (though I haven't heard it). But I wonder who wrote it. Looks like it's a traditional song sung by a lot of people (Dylan and Jeff Buckley among others), under the title "Dink's Song". I guess it's similar to Constant Sorrow Man, i.e. a traditional song that everyone covers with their own lyrics. Does anybody have more clues?
Denis
"If you do 7-Up, you can't ever do Coke or Pepsi. You've got to hold out for the best deal possible. It's about me being a smart businesswoman as well as a musician." - Jessica Simpson |
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Ten Percenter
- FB Enquirer -
United Kingdom
1733 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2004 : 08:35:13
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quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
one last question
on the last catholics tour they played a song
what was written down in setlists as Fare Thee Well
is that the same song as
Sad man's song on honeycomb?
I hear him sing Fare Thee Well some times
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!"
Yes, it is the same song. I preferred the Catholics version. McDave referred to the Burl Ives version of this song when I spoke to him after the Edinburgh gig (Burl calls it Fare Thee Well, O honey").
"Fried food, cigarettes, no exercise, chest pain..." (Excerpt from the Angina Monologues) |
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velvety
= Cult of Ray =
Portugal
536 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2004 : 11:17:38
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quote:
Originally posted by vilainde
Tracklist is supposed to be:
SING FOR JOY
HONEYCOMB
I BURN TODAY
MY LIFE IS IN STORAGE
SELKIE BRIDE
DARK END OF THE STREET
LONE CHILD
ANOTHER VELVET NIGHTMARE
SUNDAY SUNNY MILL VALLEY GROOVE DAY
GO FIND YOUR SAINT
THE SHRIMP SONG
VIOLET
ATOM IN MY HEART
STRANGE GOODBYE
Denis
Are you sure about this tracklist? I thought it ended with the shrimp song? 'My life is in storage' being the second song, etc... |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2004 : 12:34:38
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the leaked version ends with Shrimp and has life in storage as second song
I do like the tracklist though
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2004 : 12:35:10
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quote:
Originally posted by Ten Percenter
quote:
Originally posted by billgoodman
one last question
on the last catholics tour they played a song
what was written down in setlists as Fare Thee Well
is that the same song as
Sad man's song on honeycomb?
I hear him sing Fare Thee Well some times
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!"
Yes, it is the same song. I preferred the Catholics version. McDave referred to the Burl Ives version of this song when I spoke to him after the Edinburgh gig (Burl calls it Fare Thee Well, O honey").
"Fried food, cigarettes, no exercise, chest pain..." (Excerpt from the Angina Monologues)
Thanks for clearing that up!
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
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kingphilbert
= Cult of Ray =
USA
356 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2004 : 13:30:35
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I have been listening to it as it arrived off of Soulseek I suppose. I was sent the disc.
As follows:
sing for joy
my life is in storage
selkie bride
honeycomb
kiss my ring
dark end of the street
i burn today
i've been all around the world
highway to lowdown
velvet nightmare
sad mans song
atom in my heart
lone child
go find your saint
violet
sunday sunny mill valley groove day
where the wind is going
strange goodbye
song of the shrimp
But I did rearrange it to match what Frank had posted in the frist thread we heard about it:
Posted - 04/08/2004 : 22:20:29
Edited by - frnck blck on 04/11/2004 15:17:58
HIGHWAY TO LOWDOWN
LONE CHILD
ATOM IN MY HEART
SELKIE BRIDE
STRANGE GOODBYE
SAD MAN'S SONG
VELVET NIGHTMARE
SING FOR JOY
VIOLET
I BURN TODAY
KISS MY RING
GO FIND YOUR SAINT
SUNDAY SUNNY MILL VALLEY GROOVE DAY
WHERE THE WIND IS GOING
MY LIFE IS IN STORAGE / FUNK
HONEYCOMB
NEEDLE IN MY ARM (I assume this is "All Around the World" since that's a line in the song)
SONG OF THE SHRIMP
DARK END OF THE STREET
Which way is the correct order? I know none of this is final, I'm just wondering for what we have. It does flow better as it's being traded.
"I mix twinkie's and ding-dong's all the time. In Europe, they call it a Dinkie!" |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2004 : 08:37:10
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there is no correct order
I believe that dennis' (viliande) tracklisting
was the last frank posted
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
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vilainde
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Niue
7443 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2004 : 08:39:54
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I think Jon Tiven confirmed the tracklisting I posted.
Denis
"I believe in your perfect face..." |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2004 : 12:03:41
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I can't believe Highway to lowdown would not be on that release
and Go find your saint would.....
weird choice
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6214 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2004 : 12:14:58
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btw is highway to lowdown a fb-original?
I can't find frnkblck posts about the album
couldn't find jon tiven's too
he does say 'bye' a lot
and on the weirdest moments
maybe we should block him
(if anybody of the record company is reading this: although I make a joke about it, I will buy the album, so will a lot of other people, so release the damn album, please sir)
"I joined the cult of Jon Tiven/Bye!" |
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skeleton man1
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Posted - 11/14/2004 : 08:20:05
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| finally found this album on soulseek listening to the song honeycomb as i type this also going to see pixies tonight in chicago very very excited |
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Triakel
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Posted - 11/18/2004 : 23:05:35
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Soulseek also. I've got about half the tracks. Very nice. Still soaking it all in. But very nice.
Reminds me of when I was small and listening to my brother's LPs. Warm nights in the Ozarks -- headphones, wood floor, sleeping dogs, analog meters and fireflies dancing in the darkness.
I've been on a Pixies binge lately, so this mellow mood has struck me just right. It's really hard to believe the same man wrote "Debaser." Top of the head analogy is of Jackson Browne also writing for the Sex Pistols. My mind boggles. |
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Jose Jones
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
1758 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2004 : 23:24:52
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quote:
Originally posted by Triakel
Reminds me of when I was small and listening to my brother's LPs. Warm nights in the Ozarks -- headphones, wood floor, sleeping dogs, analog meters and fireflies dancing in the darkness.
beautiful. god bless you, brother.
-dan
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deadlydoctor
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USA
56 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2004 : 16:20:42
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I just downloaded Soulseek, how do I find this stuff on there?
Of course I plan to buy the album when it comes out, as I am a completist when it comes to FB, but I'd love to hear a preview of these tracks 
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he’s tripping over graves • as rain begins to fall • and finally they escape when the shuttle bus is called |
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