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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
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 Posted - 09/17/2025 : 13:05:01
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
This definitely has been said a few times but do we know what that even means? My assumption (and JUST an assumption) is Tom engineered the recording of those but didn't "produce" in the way we hear on the Pixies Podcast where he's basically acting like a 5th member of the band?
I can understand liking BTE more than the demos. Like I said, it's a very handsome album. And it's genuinely difficult for me to pinpoint if it's the SONGWRITING or just the SOUND of the demos that is so appealing to me, and even emotional for me. If the BTE songs were presented in the way the demos were presented, would I be going crazy for those?
But I could totally see somebody thinking If Frank had put out that 9 song album as an actual album, Catholics or Pixies or whatever, I'd not question it at all (maybe add one or two more songs for normal album length.)
I suspect this album is a bit of both. A bit more raw/unhinged Frank Black songwriting and not over cooking and producing things...
I think that was one of the fun things about FB's solo/Catholics stuff in his prolific days. Even with the not top tier stuff it still had a sense of fun to it and maybe more of a raw feel at times.
I also agree it would be a solid album if it was released that way- interesting to think with another producer this could've been the main release maybe with Graveyard Hill on there as a single and Daniel Boone or something else added on. If I was ranking things I could see it even ranking somewhat top tier for late era FB releases before Pixies besides maybe Bluefinger. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/17/2025 : 15:53:28
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To me this is almost like an alternate take of In the Arms of Mrs Mark of Cain
Song always seems kind of schizophrenic to me
Kind of wish Frank could try it in a higher octave
But that’s all nitpicking I have always really digged this song
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Troubles A Foot
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/17/2025 : 19:43:03
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Originally posted by Bedbug
Kind of wish Frank could try it in a higher octave
Yes, I've always thought the song is in way too low a key and could have been really great live just up a few steps. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 09/18/2025 : 01:32:31
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
Don't want to monopolize the conversation, just a few points:
"I really like to point out, and will continue doing it, that Tom also produced the demos."
This definitely has been said a few times but do we know what that even means? My assumption (and JUST an assumption) is Tom engineered the recording of those but didn't "produce" in the way we hear on the Pixies Podcast where he's basically acting like a 5th member of the band?
Good question, and it's a bit nitpicking from my part, but since we are all speculating here, I would also like to point out that Justin Pizzoferrato engineered the session.
It's not on Discogs for some reason, so I just looked at my deluxe edition and it says: recorded, mixed and mastered by Justin Pizzoferrato.
He also worked on Indie Cindy, and a record by Violet which also features BF.
Tom Dalgety is noted for being the producer. That could mean anything,
since we don't have a podcast episode on how they worked during the demos.
But isn't it good to know that Dalgety can also get them to play like they did on the demo's? It happend before, so it can happen again?
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Troubles A Foot
* Dog in the Sand *
USA
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Posted - 09/18/2025 : 08:17:20
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"recorded, mixed and mastered by Justin Pizzoferrato"
I thought producers did the mixing...? In my mind that's what produced MEANS. The person who mixed your album. From the recording stage to right before mastering.
I really want to know more about these sessions. Is Tom listed as a producer just because he's overseeing the entire project in general? |
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Skatealex1
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 09/18/2025 : 09:04:58
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
"recorded, mixed and mastered by Justin Pizzoferrato"
I thought producers did the mixing...? In my mind that's what produced MEANS. The person who mixed your album. From the recording stage to right before mastering.
I really want to know more about these sessions. Is Tom listed as a producer just because he's overseeing the entire project in general?
I think producing can go both ways. For example- Rick Rubin from my understanding doesn't even do mixing or mastering but produces a lot of big records. In that context I guess overseeing and helping keep things together for sessions and working with the band could be a producers role too.
That's interesting about Justin Pizzoferrato. Almost seems like he may have helped mix and master the best sounding modern Pixies album and it goes totally under the radar too.
The funny thing about it also is it sounds like it resulted from getting everything to sound good and without much studio trickery- IE- I don't recall much or any over dubs on this demo. Just a nice rawer kind of sound of the band playing. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 09/18/2025 : 10:03:50
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
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Originally posted by Bedbug
Kind of wish Frank could try it in a higher octave
Yes, I've always thought the song is in way too low a key and could have been really great live just up a few steps.
Is that part of why the demos are so good?
On Cyrus he sounds like an older Black Francis instead of on most 2.0 songs where he sounds like an older Frank Black if that makes sense |
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