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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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 Posted - 08/28/2024 : 23:14:55
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Looking forward to it, not expecting a whole new sound based on the promotional texts. But that new song is really something else:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prsoDFY1I9s
Not sure if it's really good, but I love how bold it is
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Edited by - billgoodman on 08/29/2024 02:54:56 |
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 08/29/2024 : 03:32:08
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| I do love her voice, but I have to say she's fully on the same page as the Pixies when it comes to dire drum production. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
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Posted - 08/29/2024 : 05:54:37
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But Kim goes a bit further, right? It's almost an electronic rhythm?
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Sprite
* Dog in the Sand *
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Posted - 08/29/2024 : 07:11:51
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| Yeah sure. I just can't stand this overdriven, glitchy drum effects. Always feel like it's a cheap trick in attempt to add some mystery. Same thing on Bang on on Mountain Battles. |
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billgoodman
>> Denizen of the Citizens Band <<
Netherlands
6241 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2024 : 09:43:06
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That's true, now I think of it
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3190 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2024 : 04:32:13
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Heard the 3rd song today
You go Kim! |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 10/07/2024 : 04:41:28
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That’s odd, went back to listen to it again and it was gone
A Good Time Pushed |
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natenate101
= Cult of Ray =
USA
892 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2024 : 07:18:06
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| New song is quality. I dig it. |
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yarbles
= Cult of Ray =
USA
635 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2024 : 10:23:15
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| New song is probably my favorite from Kim since The Amps. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1122 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2024 : 12:31:33
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| Wow what a great album! Kim picks up the mantle from greats such as Patti Smith, Debbie Harry and Emmylou Harris with her own signature sound, really like it. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3190 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2024 : 15:14:15
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Agreed
Kim did a good one |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
993 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2024 : 16:07:18
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This album is so damn good. I'm not trying to be controversial or inflammatory here, but it puts the Pixies album to shame.
With the new Pixies I am having all these inner negotiations with myself, well, that song has parts I like, that sound is kind of cool, that bit there is ok...
I put this Kim Deal album on and it's basically all great. No defensiveness, no debating with myself, no forcing myself to like it. It's just great. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 11/22/2024 : 22:00:59
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These two albums by Charles and Kim are so good, it makes me wonder what the two of them could have done together. Feels to me like they are on similar wavelengths now too
To get two amazing albums in the same month is really a special time in music |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 11/23/2024 : 19:09:18
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One negative I will say bout Kim's new album is her voice.
Something is up with it, like manufactured or something?
I'm not saying AI, but something sort of pharmaceutical or laboratory or something I can't put my finger on
But real good tunes |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1122 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 04:37:25
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
This album is so damn good. I'm not trying to be controversial or inflammatory here, but it puts the Pixies album to shame.
With the new Pixies I am having all these inner negotiations with myself, well, that song has parts I like, that sound is kind of cool, that bit there is ok...
I put this Kim Deal album on and it's basically all great. No defensiveness, no debating with myself, no forcing myself to like it. It's just great.
I agree, putting on the Kim album is like slipping into comfortable worn in trainers (sneakers for you not in the UK) jeans and hoodie.
Putting on new Pixies is like donning big black goth boots and a cowboy hat. That's fine of course but maybe it's not a look that best suits.
Kim on 4AD is uniquely indie rock. I'm not sure how I would describe Pixies these days but I miss their indie side. |
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Brank_Flack
* Dog in the Sand *
Canada
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Posted - 11/25/2024 : 05:24:11
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| Not to discredit what anyone is saying, but it's worth pointing out that Kim had been working on this album for a decade, whereas the Pixies are banging out new records every 1-2 years now. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 11/25/2024 : 05:48:56
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
Not to discredit what anyone is saying, but it's worth pointing out that Kim had been working on this album for a decade, whereas the Pixies are banging out new records every 1-2 years now.
No kidding? The Megalopolis of indie albums for sure |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1122 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 06:19:55
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Originally posted by Brank_Flack
Not to discredit what anyone is saying, but it's worth pointing out that Kim had been working on this album for a decade, whereas the Pixies are banging out new records every 1-2 years now.
Yeah of course, it's the same with the Cure or other bands who don't release often there's often a bigger hype with their release.
Maybe it's not the best place to air this as it's about Kim's album after all and while I didn't want to make comparisons between the two albums I suppose it's only natural to do so.
I'm at that stage with Pixies where they can do anything they want, they don't owe anyone anything - but I'm just not really that interested anymore.
Part of that stems from why there was such an urgency to get an unknown to step in to finish an album? Why not sit on it, work on it, take a bit of time to refine it? Because they had tour dates to finalise.
Their business model seems to be prioritising being on the touring circuit and to do that a new album every couple of years helps. Or that's how it appears. However, there doesn't appear to be a correlation between demand for new material and tickets.
I'd bet they would sell as many tickets if they just played their legacy material, and besides, once the new album tour is done that material is shelved bar from a track or two
Sure, it gives Frank a bigger audience for his music releasing it as Pixies compared to solo, but on zombies a lot of the themes have been done better on his solo albums. It just feels at times they're spitballing through albums and hoping something will stick. And that's fine, but I always had the feeling he had another masterpiece in him but with each release I'm finding that less to be the case. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 11/25/2024 : 06:50:26
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| I hear you, lots of good thoughts there, but I also think: didn’t all his masterpieces just get written and recorded and released with haste? |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1122 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 09:41:25
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Originally posted by Bedbug
I hear you, lots of good thoughts there, but I also think: didn’t all his masterpieces just get written and recorded and released with haste?
Yeah you're right there.
I suppose I'm disheartened I don't enjoy it as much as I feel I should but that's probably a conversation for therapy lol |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
993 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 11:54:22
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
993 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 11:58:22
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Originally posted by Bedbug
One negative I will say bout Kim's new album is her voice.
Something is up with it, like manufactured or something?
I'm not saying AI, but something sort of pharmaceutical or laboratory or something I can't put my finger on
But real good tunes
I don't hear anything remotely like this. |
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Stevio10
* Dog in the Sand *
United Kingdom
1122 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 12:37:44
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
I blame Dalgety.
Yeah, I felt the same but I'm loathe to put all of it on him. It appears to be the direction they've been heading towards over a few years and everyone connected to the band seems ok with it.
Maybe it's just me but are they now a Halloween band? Release an album in the fall with a Halloween themed single (graveyard hill, haunted house, zombies etc).
I feel they peaked in this direction with Beneath the Eyrie. I love 80s dark wave such as Love and Rockets, Bauhaus, Chameleons etc and I can see they are looking in that direction (with the aid of Dalgety) but rather than hitting the heights of those artists they come across more like Billy Idol.
Again, this is probably more to do with me than the them. Life happens and things change.
If it was up to me (which it will never be) I'd love Pixies back on 4AD produced by Cocteau Twins Robin Guthrie. |
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Mad Lucas
- FB Fan -
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162 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 15:02:09
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I'm very pleasantly surprised with the brass and string arrangements on Kim's album. They manage to walk a line between being emotive/sentimental in an almost 60s/70s Bossa Nova/Latin Pop way, while not feeling kitschy. Perhaps Kim's greatest talent is to do with aesthetics: making just the right instrumental, arrangement, texture choices to keep the music feeling vital, unpretentious, simply cool.
I will say though, in relation to comparisons to the recent Pixies work, Kim's work isn't in the same league. But that's not her fault that she was in a band with one of the all time great songwriters. It's unfortunate that it feels necessary to compare them, of course they will be, but it just results in two great albums not being appreciated on their own terms.
Pixies: one of the all time great songwriters continuing to stretch and evolve, Joey developing as a writer and guitarist, a once frantic and chaotic group finding poise and assuredness.
Kim solo: a really successful next step for Kim as a writer in terms of expansive band arrangements and some really nice twists on songs we've previously heard in sketch form. Also a great summary of her songwriting career, with some folky moments mixed in with some Last Spash-ish noisy jams. Lyrically some of her most direct work, fascinating to really 'see' her as an artist, as she has always been someone seemingly masked behind abstract lyrics.
Personally I'm just so thankful that my favourite all time artists are making such high calibre work in 2024. Such a blessing.
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
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Posted - 11/25/2024 : 15:06:12
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
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Originally posted by Bedbug
One negative I will say bout Kim's new album is her voice.
Something is up with it, like manufactured or something?
I'm not saying AI, but something sort of pharmaceutical or laboratory or something I can't put my finger on
But real good tunes
I don't hear anything remotely like this.
I just won 20 bucks, thank you! |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3190 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 15:08:12
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Originally posted by Mad Lucas
I'm very pleasantly surprised with the brass and string arrangements on Kim's album. They manage to walk a line between being emotive/sentimental in an almost 60s/70s Bossa Nova/Latin Pop way, while not feeling kitschy. Perhaps Kim's greatest talent is to do with aesthetics: making just the right instrumental, arrangement, texture choices to keep the music feeling vital, unpretentious, simply cool.
I will say though, in relation to comparisons to the recent Pixies work, Kim's work isn't in the same league. But that's not her fault that she was in a band with one of the all time great songwriters. It's unfortunate that it feels necessary to compare them, of course they will be, but it just results in two great albums not being appreciated on their own terms.
Pixies: one of the all time great songwriters continuing to stretch and evolve, Joey developing as a writer and guitarist, a once frantic and chaotic group finding poise and assuredness.
Kim solo: a really successful next step for Kim as a writer in terms of expansive band arrangements and some really nice twists on songs we've previously heard in sketch form. Also a great summary of her songwriting career, with some folky moments mixed in with some Last Spash-ish noisy jams. Lyrically some of her most direct work, fascinating to really 'see' her as an artist, as she has always been someone seemingly masked behind abstract lyrics.
Personally I'm just so thankful that my favourite all time artists are making such high calibre work in 2024. Such a blessing.
This is exactly how I feel, two amazing albums coming out in the span of one month, unbelievable. How many of our other favorite bands are still doing this? |
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Mad Lucas
- FB Fan -
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Posted - 11/25/2024 : 15:25:46
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Originally posted by Bedbug
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Originally posted by Mad Lucas
I'm very pleasantly surprised with the brass and string arrangements on Kim's album. They manage to walk a line between being emotive/sentimental in an almost 60s/70s Bossa Nova/Latin Pop way, while not feeling kitschy. Perhaps Kim's greatest talent is to do with aesthetics: making just the right instrumental, arrangement, texture choices to keep the music feeling vital, unpretentious, simply cool.
I will say though, in relation to comparisons to the recent Pixies work, Kim's work isn't in the same league. But that's not her fault that she was in a band with one of the all time great songwriters. It's unfortunate that it feels necessary to compare them, of course they will be, but it just results in two great albums not being appreciated on their own terms.
Pixies: one of the all time great songwriters continuing to stretch and evolve, Joey developing as a writer and guitarist, a once frantic and chaotic group finding poise and assuredness.
Kim solo: a really successful next step for Kim as a writer in terms of expansive band arrangements and some really nice twists on songs we've previously heard in sketch form. Also a great summary of her songwriting career, with some folky moments mixed in with some Last Spash-ish noisy jams. Lyrically some of her most direct work, fascinating to really 'see' her as an artist, as she has always been someone seemingly masked behind abstract lyrics.
Personally I'm just so thankful that my favourite all time artists are making such high calibre work in 2024. Such a blessing.
This is exactly how I feel, two amazing albums coming out in the span of one month, unbelievable. How many of our other favorite bands are still doing this?
Kristin Hersh and Lou Barlow are two others IMO. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3190 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 15:28:38
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Originally posted by Mad Lucas
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Originally posted by Bedbug
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Originally posted by Mad Lucas
I'm very pleasantly surprised with the brass and string arrangements on Kim's album. They manage to walk a line between being emotive/sentimental in an almost 60s/70s Bossa Nova/Latin Pop way, while not feeling kitschy. Perhaps Kim's greatest talent is to do with aesthetics: making just the right instrumental, arrangement, texture choices to keep the music feeling vital, unpretentious, simply cool.
I will say though, in relation to comparisons to the recent Pixies work, Kim's work isn't in the same league. But that's not her fault that she was in a band with one of the all time great songwriters. It's unfortunate that it feels necessary to compare them, of course they will be, but it just results in two great albums not being appreciated on their own terms.
Pixies: one of the all time great songwriters continuing to stretch and evolve, Joey developing as a writer and guitarist, a once frantic and chaotic group finding poise and assuredness.
Kim solo: a really successful next step for Kim as a writer in terms of expansive band arrangements and some really nice twists on songs we've previously heard in sketch form. Also a great summary of her songwriting career, with some folky moments mixed in with some Last Spash-ish noisy jams. Lyrically some of her most direct work, fascinating to really 'see' her as an artist, as she has always been someone seemingly masked behind abstract lyrics.
Personally I'm just so thankful that my favourite all time artists are making such high calibre work in 2024. Such a blessing.
This is exactly how I feel, two amazing albums coming out in the span of one month, unbelievable. How many of our other favorite bands are still doing this?
Kristin Hersh and Lou Barlow are two others IMO.
Thanks for the recommendation I will check them out |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
993 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2024 : 19:19:47
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Originally posted by Mad Lucas
I will say though, in relation to comparisons to the recent Pixies work, Kim's work isn't in the same league. But that's not her fault that she was in a band with one of the all time great songwriters. It's unfortunate that it feels necessary to compare them, of course they will be, but it just results in two great albums not being appreciated on their own terms.
Pixies: one of the all time great songwriters continuing to stretch and evolve, Joey developing as a writer and guitarist, a once frantic and chaotic group finding poise and assuredness.
Kim solo: a really successful next step for Kim as a writer in terms of expansive band arrangements and some really nice twists on songs we've previously heard in sketch form. Also a great summary of her songwriting career, with some folky moments mixed in with some Last Spash-ish noisy jams. Lyrically some of her most direct work, fascinating to really 'see' her as an artist, as she has always been someone seemingly masked behind abstract lyrics.
This is the exact opposite how I feel. The new Pixies doesn't sound assured to me at all. Santiago does some of his least interesting work on it, but how much can you do over some of Frank's most boilerplate and least innovative chord progressions?
The Kim album actually made me shed a tear. It's so moving and fun and interesting. The new Pixies I basically got tired of after a few listens, and only liking about half the songs, and hating all of the production choices on every song.
I would give anything for a new Pixies album to be as moving and cool and confident as the new Kim album. And make it sound like indie rock. I love the tones of the guitars, drums, etc on Kim's album. |
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Mad Lucas
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Posted - 11/25/2024 : 22:25:07
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Originally posted by Troubles A Foot
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Originally posted by Mad Lucas
I will say though, in relation to comparisons to the recent Pixies work, Kim's work isn't in the same league. But that's not her fault that she was in a band with one of the all time great songwriters. It's unfortunate that it feels necessary to compare them, of course they will be, but it just results in two great albums not being appreciated on their own terms.
Pixies: one of the all time great songwriters continuing to stretch and evolve, Joey developing as a writer and guitarist, a once frantic and chaotic group finding poise and assuredness.
Kim solo: a really successful next step for Kim as a writer in terms of expansive band arrangements and some really nice twists on songs we've previously heard in sketch form. Also a great summary of her songwriting career, with some folky moments mixed in with some Last Spash-ish noisy jams. Lyrically some of her most direct work, fascinating to really 'see' her as an artist, as she has always been someone seemingly masked behind abstract lyrics.
This is the exact opposite how I feel. The new Pixies doesn't sound assured to me at all. Santiago does some of his least interesting work on it, but how much can you do over some of Frank's most boilerplate and least innovative chord progressions?
The Kim album actually made me shed a tear. It's so moving and fun and interesting. The new Pixies I basically got tired of after a few listens, and only liking about half the songs, and hating all of the production choices on every song.
I would give anything for a new Pixies album to be as moving and cool and confident as the new Kim album. And make it sound like indie rock. I love the tones of the guitars, drums, etc on Kim's album.
Well, you're WRONG.
Joking... that's fair enough. Kim's album is great, no doubt. |
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auxfnx
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Posted - 11/26/2024 : 02:27:09
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| This album is just not doing it for me for whatever reason. I adore Mountain Battles and All Nerve but this one is just not really connecting with me and I don't know why. |
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Bedbug
> Teenager of the Year <
3190 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2024 : 03:47:37
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Here is a question I find interesting hypothetically speaking
Would you guys trade in 100% of Pixies 2.0 albums and songs that we currently have to be returned for one album of 12 songs that you love as much as bossa nova or TLM? |
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Troubles A Foot
= Cult of Ray =
USA
993 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2024 : 05:51:56
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Originally posted by Bedbug
Here is a question I find interesting hypothetically speaking
Would you guys trade in 100% of Pixies 2.0 albums and songs that we currently have to be returned for one album of 12 songs that you love as much as bossa nova or TLM?
Yes |
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Kim Deal - Nobody Loves You More
